Mad Men Mafia

On August 01 2012 12:41 Zephirdd wrote:


pregame tips: the more you post, the better.

On August 03 2012 10:18 prplhz wrote:
op says 11pm est

On August 03 2012 12:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
Do not claim immediately. The role is not alignment indicative and really just paints a target on you. There is no guarantee that there are both town and scum masons. I do not see a benefit to masons claiming.

Man, scum Grush isn't based on him having opinions. It's based on him not activating his starsenses. He was dumb and trolly but mildly helpful in listing people somewhere, enough so that maju mentioned his starsenses in LV, and Grush then posted a list of suspects, although in Grush fashion. This time, NO STARSENSE.

KURUMI RULE + NO STARSENSE REFERENCE = SCUM.

On August 04 2012 13:59 grush57 wrote:
HOOK LINE SINKER WBG, MY TOWN META IS STARSENSES

On August 05 2012 10:27 talismania wrote:
Medics protect sloosh tonight. If I were mafia I would kill him. He's always Captain America with the town, gathering votes together, keeping things on track. He's active and has generally solid analysis. Plus he's on me, so him dying makes it easy to push my lynch, and then boom two active townies are down the drain. So protect him.

On August 06 2012 02:47 talismania wrote:
Forget WBG. If he wants to play, he'll play and we can go from there. If he wants to die, he'll vote for himself again and get modkilled.

DTs! Please strongly consider checking into one of VE/Hassy. Or if you don't agree with me, at least check one of the masons

On August 06 2012 17:16 talismania wrote:
They roleblocked me as insurance in case I was medic. If I were medic, I would definitely have guarded sloosh. Mafia doesn't know how many medics there are. They may have thought I was medic and was trying to tell another one to guard with me because I was wary of a doublestack.

Yes I still think it was a doublestack and I think grush was vig'd. We'll see when other people post if it gets claimed or not.

On the last point I'm talking from the perspective of the mafia team trying to call me mafia so I'm talking as if I'm mafia. It's convoluted sounding but really pretty simple: mafia can RB a member of their own team, say a goon or mason or whatever. Then that person can claim RB'd, for some weak towncred. Mafia in RBing me knew I would be notified, but weren't worried about it making me look townie because they knew they would be able to argue that there was just an intra-mafia RB on me because I would want towncred. They pair that argument with all my stuff about protecting sloosh as further evidence that I want towncred. etc etc.

On August 07 2012 02:35 talismania wrote:
Synystyr

So you're scum too!? The excitement/activity test strikes again :-)

Seriously though I can't be certain I'm just OMGUSing but the case you just made against me is bad for almost the same reasons VE's was bad.

+ Show Spoiler +


1) The NK and my alignment is nothing but WIFOM. I mean, help me out other people in this game, but on the outside I wouldn't look at sloosh dying and go "yep that must have been talismania he was doing it for towncred". It could have been, but it just as easily could not have been. It's literally pure WIFOM. So why is this a central plank in your case?

By the way - raise your hand out there if you saw the night kill and gave me a ton of town cred. Anyone?

2) Are you really making the argument that I'm scum because WBG is scum, and you're not voting for WBG because you think I'm more likely to be scum yet some of that is predicated on WBG being scum and and and That's why connection cases don't work until you have a flip.

For the record, I don't really know what to make of WBG. At the moment, I'm nursing the idea (which you conveniently missed me posting) that actually be scum just trying to get away with as much as possible as a test. Then he can be all superior and yell at us in the endgame.

Your DT point also shows you didn't seriously make this case. It's like VE all over again. Yes I said (for good reason) that I would like DTs to check VE and hassy, two of my strongest scumreads at the time. Then I realized after sloosh posted that DTs were just rolecops, not alignment cops so I rescinded everything I said about DTs. But you ignore that completely.

And come to think of it my ignorance of how DTs work (as well as toad) is kind of an unintentionally strong town tell. Scum would all know exactly how DTs work because their GF gets to pick what role he appears to DTs, so they would have discussed that somewhat (or at least read the role description) amongst themselves.

3) This is seriously the exact same stuff VE did. I'm "defending myself before anyone has pointed a finger at me" with regards to being roleblocked and the night actions? Well I guess if you took that post in isolation and assumed it was the first post I made on the subject, then yes.

But guess what? That wasn't my first post. That was a clarification post.

The first post, which you must have seen is here:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668&currentpage=43#850

And it's pretty clearly not me "defending myself before someone accuses me". No it's explaining why I think xsebt is likely to be town, because he seemed genuinely unaware of the correct scum argument. I was aware of the scum argument from daybreak, but there was no need to post it until then, when I think it's a very critical point to make as it directly speaks to this guy's alignment.

You cherry-picked this case.

What do you make of my case on VE? Does it look like scum wrote it or town wrote it? How and why? If you're going to call me scum, you're going to have to do it based on my whole filter.