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I will be going to sleep now, but more post will come tomorrow. Btw, i tried googling for evulrabbitz sex toy, but nothing came up. | ||
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Although it has been done before, i wanted to make a write about Mackin. On July 05 2012 07:06 Mackin wrote: Hey guys, just putting it out there Lazer is already on my FoS list and we're only just beginning, long contradictory post with almost too much effort put in. His first post is about his FoS on Lazermonkey. It states that it is long and contradictory. The post did not have this contratiction in reality, some people just misinterpeted it. This might have been an attempt for a cheap bandwagon, as he was not the first to go on Lazer. He then says that it has too much effort in it, which i think is strange. The more effort posts have, the better. The only ones who would profit from post with little effort is mafia. On July 05 2012 07:28 Mackin wrote: Fair enough point, but I just want to stir up some conversation to get people talking. Ain't that what Mafia's all about?  When Hopeless later states that he had no intention of anything like a bandwagon on Lazer, Mackin quickly change his opinion again, not mentioning anything about Lazer again, as his bandwagon failed. Mafia tends to want to not have opinions alone, and rather have some other people to back them up, while town has no reason to not go after someone alone. His other 2 post in the game was not much related to the game. So far, Mackin has not posted anything of worth, only tried a bandwagon and agreeing with other players. Fos: Mackin | ||
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On July 06 2012 05:08 Lazermonkey wrote: Zen_Man, I'd really appreciate if you put some thoughts about the other players. I think you are over reading Making. I would hardly call his first post an attempt to bandwagon. Your just making so many assumptions. Talking about how mafia will play is just impossible. Unless you are mafia. Instead of actually responding to what happends in the thread you choose to FoS a player who basically havn't said anything yet. Lazermonkey, i made one post about him, and it is my second since the game started, so i have not really over read him. I was going to post about other players too. And yes, you can actually say how mafia will play, otherwise there would be no point in analysis, would it? | ||
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On July 06 2012 05:36 Lazermonkey wrote: My point was that you can only analyze a player like Mackin that much. Well a player can push scum agenda in several ways and saying that Mackin was trying to bandwagon when he write the first post is imo assuming too much. I stated in my last post that i would post about other things too, so please let me do that now. It was only one post, which did not have that much text, so i was not over reading him . Though I am still unsure on what else to post about right now. | ||
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On July 06 2012 14:50 Hapahauli wrote: As this is the first major accusation of the game, I want everyone to give an opinion on my argument. My post is not an excuse to top talking and blindly vote. Keep talking, keep giving opinions, and keep pressuring those scum. Holy geezus that took me hours to write. Bedtime for me. I have read the Hapahauli and Hopless discussion. What particularly caught my eye was Hapas post on Hopeless previous behaviour in a game where he was town, and what a sharp contrast it was too his play in this game. Hopeless is Mafia. ##Vote Hopeless1der Btw, i am going to be away for about 2 hours. | ||
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On July 05 2012 06:39 Lazermonkey wrote: YOYO GUYS. I AM Vanilla Townie On a more serious note, we want this ship rollin' as fast as possible. Discussing policy is not scumhunting but it does at least help us get the discussion going. First off, something we want to avoid as town is Vanillas claiming blue roles. In both my last game and Newbie Mini Mafia XVIII there were Vanillas who claimed blue roles(DTs). Both times town ended in an bad spot (although not as bad as it could've been due to luck). But this should still be avoided at all costs as it can cause massive damage to town. Why? Well let's say a vanilla townie claims DT, and then the real DT claims because the vanilla is lying. As it doesn't make sense for vanillas to claim blue roles, we must assume that one of theese players is scum and the other one is the real DT.Two following scenarios can occur here 1). The townie gets lynched. which means that the other person is probebly the real DT, this must however not be true. 2). The DT gets lynched, which means that the vanilla townie will 100% get lynched the next day. While 2 is far worse than 1 they are still both very bad for town. There really isn't a situation you want to fakeclaim as a townie. If you don't agree with this please let me know. If noone disagrees I will assume that no townie is ever fake claiming a blue role. Obviously there are situations where you might want to claim as blue. I will also copy a part of my first post from my last game(where I was DT) since I am lazy. Regarding lynches: I really really dislike nolynching for three reasons. 1. because the information that we are able to get out of it is very limited. Yes, we avoid a potential misslynch but on the other hand scum will score a more or less a free-kill during night. Essentially, we are back on D1 but this time we are in a 6-2 instead of a 7-2. 2. If we agree to nolynch then what is there to discuss? It's like asking for people to lurk even more. 3. With no vigilante in the game the only way we can win is to lynch scum. Kinda obvious but still. We require 5+ votes in order to get a lynch done. With that in mind I hope that people are willing to vote for someone who isn't their top 1 scum. Obviously, if you REALLY don't think there is any chance that the person that is about to be lynched can be scum, then sure, don't vote him. But if it seems like your target hardly gets any votes and your second highest scumread is at 4 votes with 30 minutes untill deadline, then I think you should swap your vote onto him. Lurkers!: There are two types of lurkers. The ones who doesn't post anything and the sneaky ones, who posts ALOT but nothing of value. The first category could either be bad town play or scum play. But the second category is almost exclusivly scum play. If you are a townie, speak your mind, don't make a super duper long post when you could've said it on just a few lines. Keep it simple. With that being said, post! This was his first post in the game. He start by making a big post and trying to look like someone who is helping town by giving them advice, such as this. I wont go into to much detail into this post, as it has already been talked about a lot. On July 05 2012 09:54 Lazermonkey wrote: I'm getting suspicious of Jingle. 1st post. Instead of commenting on my post he starts to ridicule it, effectivly killing discussion about it. Instead he is the first one to start shit up the thread with sex-toy w/e. Also, instead of posting his own reads he says I'd feel silly making a similar one which doesn't make any sense at all. I'd much rather have a post about your thought's on scum hunting rather than sex toys. At least when we are playing mafia... The next couple of posts he is effectivly fills half the thread with his talk about Evul being a perv and what not. If you would write this as a first time player I could be somewhat cool with it. But you are not. We want to lynch scum, not lurkers. And we absolutly don't want to roll the dice. And I really don't see how you are very suspicious about the vote. There were ~50 hours untill deadline when he threw the vote. How is this even close to start a bandwagon? Like wtf? But at this point you only had one minor post of substance as well. I don't get this post. I may be missunderstanding this but if there is no substance to the case then why would that even be considered a case? And why on earth would someone ever get lynched by such a ''case'' Once again, there is no threat of a bandwagon at all. Why do you keep saying that? What I find maybe most intresting is how you start the game by shitting up the thread and literally don't post a single usefull thing. When the first vote get thrown tho, You go ''WTF DUDE, VOTING IZ NOT COOL''. No, I agree that the reasoning behind the vote to begin with was verrrry vauge but I don't really see why you get so upset about it ESPICIALLY since it's not even on you. ##Vote JingleHell After a few post, when jingle starts to get suspicous of him, Lazer writes a very long case. It may look like it is big, but it has almost no substance at all. He simply states that there is no threat of bandwagoning. Mafia tend to want to do this, posting long cases but with little of worth, so that it looks good. .He also proceds to vote on Jingle. Lazer proceds to tunnel Jingle for the rest of the game. Here, he effectively turned the attention from him and to Jingle. Lazer also post some aggressive post to anyone who is somewhat suspicous of him. On July 05 2012 21:09 Lazermonkey wrote: Some good analysis there Hapa. Although I can't really contribute anything on Mackin as his filter is just that long. I only find the first post of him to be intresting tho. I don't agree with my post be contradictory which I have already said a dozen of times. Yes, I did use bad wording but that's about it. Also look at the timing. Basically echoing what Hope had already said at that point. The other posts from him is indeed fluff, which is at best bad town play. As for TMG I wouldn't even call him a lurker, at least not in comparison to some other players *hint*. His posting has in fact been okay given that we have only played for <24 hours. But looking at his posts he has for sure being suuuper safe with his posting. He is really afraid of calling anyone scum. Going back and forth never taking a clear stance anywhere. The prime example: So harry did the right thing. Then he is still your prime suspect Then it's all still too light, a lot of people still havent spoken. Note the massive indecisiveness. Why do you care? You are fully capable to take on stance on Harry before everyone have posted. You are testing waters here instead of taking a bold stance. Overall Mackin is kinda null for me although with the slightest scum vibes due to his first post. I consider him a lurker atm and he really needs to post more before I make a clear read. TMG on the other hand i feel is playing in a very anti-town way. I'd say he is my number 2 scumread after Jingle atm. Aside from his tunneling jingle, he agrees of what other peoples scumtells are. In this post, he basically repeats what Hapa said, and makes it look like it is somewhat orignal. Mafia often tend to agree with other players, so that those players like them more and agrees with them in a discussion. On July 06 2012 05:08 Lazermonkey wrote: Zen_Man, I'd really appreciate if you put some thoughts about the other players. I think you are over reading Making. I would hardly call his first post an attempt to bandwagon. Your just making so many assumptions. Talking about how mafia will play is just impossible. Unless you are mafia. Instead of actually responding to what happends in the thread you choose to FoS a player who basically havn't said anything yet. Then he post this. After i had only posted one post on Mackin, he makes it bigger than it is and says i am "overreading". Mafia often tend to blow stuff up, and make other people look bad (and therefore make themselve look better). He also says that talking about how mafia will play is impossibble, but that would in fact mean that analyzing is pointless. If we would follow his advice, no one should analyze. Very scummy. On July 06 2012 18:53 Lazermonkey wrote: I must say Hope looks very bad atm. However I don't agree with all points of suspicion against him. Like the part when he ''lies'' about there being a case on Release. I think this sould be very explainable from a town point of view. He saw your long post about release and you were also questioning Release's view on me. Overall, there were a quite criticising tone in it. Call it case or not, I don't really see this as a scum tell. What catches my attention is his indecisiveness, especially compared to the other game he played. In that game he focused on the persons he thought was most suspicious. This game... Just look at this post. So let's see. That is a whole total of 5(!) people who you cast some dirt on in just one post. YourHarry, Mackin, Evul, Release and Hapa. Except for Hapa, all you are doing here is very softly pressuring them. And I'm not even sure you can call it that. You havn't said anything about these people since you posted this case, why? You say they look suspicious but yet you don't follow up with more pressure. It's like you prepare to jump on the bandwagon here. I kinda want to hear your response tho before I decide to vote you or not. Hapa has somewhat overwhelmed you with suspicion atm and you havn't even been close to be able to defend youself. Here, Lazer states his support for yet another person who seems scummy. As i said before, agreeing with everyone is a way for mafia to win favor among town. Lazer then goes on to a back and forth post with Jingle, with not posting much of worth. But something that was really scummy for me in that post was this. On July 07 2012 01:11 Lazermonkey wrote: I am doing a case against you because I think you are scummy. I will push people I think are scummy. If they flip green because they play bad, i can't be blamed for that. We will get vote count info no matter who we vote. It's not like your special in any way. The third one is not even info. And I don't agree with that you were the person to get discussion going. Hope and yourHarry were imo the ones who did that. This post had a really scummy sentence, "I will push people I think are scummy. If they flip green because they play bad, i can't be blamed for that". This is an excuse mafia use often when they are pushing a mislynch. Often, it is not because bad play but because mafia manipulated the game. Lazer then says that he leaves and continues posting from his phone. As of now, i am equally suspicous of Lazer as i am Hopeless, still unsure of who to vote for. Other players opinions are welcome. But for now ##FoS Lazermonkey | ||
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On July 08 2012 02:17 Hapahauli wrote: Regarding EvulRabbit's vote (and WIFOM/logical choice) - I strongly believe Evul as Mafia would have swung the vote into Lazer's camp. If lazer got lynched and flipped green, it would have thrown the town into absolute chaos. We would have so many targets to chose from, that the three mafia could bandwagon and plurality lynch the non-mafia very easily. @THE_ZEN_MAN We're not content to just "wait out the night" - we need to organize the town, pressure suspicious players, and make reads so we don't take our opinions to the grave. ...and for the 30th time, why is Lazer scummy to you?!?!?!?!?!? I wrote a pretty long post HERE discussing why your suspicions are baseless, yet you're still throwing this around? I want some legitimate answers. What i meant was that we should give the mafia as little information as possible. I know we need to make reads and stuff, but a good way of not letting your opinons go to the grave and not letting mafia get any information is to post just before the deadline. That way, we have your opinions, and mafia cant use that information in time. Concerning Lazermonkey, i will answer them d2. I could use the method i described above to do that, but the deadline will be 3 am in sweden, and i dont want to stay up that long. | ||
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I know i said that more would come on the monkey before, but im not sure it is necesary now. If people still wants it, i can write it, otherwise it would just be a waste of time. | ||
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No but seriously, should hapa not be taken away from that list? | ||
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On July 08 2012 10:08 Release wrote: lazer i just cleared, you and you post this. Explain yourself. This is total bullshit and you know it and as far as i'm concerned, ##vote: lazer Voted for lazer not long after d2 started. On July 08 2012 10:26 Release wrote: ##unvote ##vote: jinglehell About 15 minutes after voting for lazer, he votes for jingle. He obviusly seems very jumpy after what was shown at the start of d2 (khorrus modkilled). He later unvotes after dt have checked him to be townie. On July 08 2012 16:57 Release wrote: this was my breadcrumb before the end of the night, just incase i died. (who the fuck says "good on fighting?") My suspicion was that you were the godfather for appearing extremely townie with your mostly "town-orientated" play (heavy analysis mostly, and combine that with a lack of fluff in general). You make a big case on hope1 (just analysis, "towny play") while jingle and harry seem to be fighting each other. I am onto Lazer, and hope1 is planting scumslips for you to capitalize on. This is your way of establishing yourself as a strong analyzer (trying to 1 man carry the town), and at the same time, being responsible for the successful lynch, gaining yourself townie cred. Khorrus doesn't post in the mafia QT. GG to him. No more bussing. Down to business Later, you get on Jingle's ass for his "fuck this town" attitude. I don't care to elaborate on this too much because it's pretty self-explanatory how this works; he shows his (openly) negative attitude towards town, you make a show on why he's against town (big difference b/w his attitude and how against town he actually was). And who has never been once questioned by the town? No one. Because you got hope1 to try to push against you, but you would refute it with your "analysis" and he would die. Sneaky and Deceitful. ##vote Hapahauli After this, he post a case on hapa, with not much of worth at all, and also votes for him. He later votes for me and has spent most of the rest of time to getting an answer to me. | ||
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On July 10 2012 03:37 Evulrabbitz wrote: So why have you behaved like a fucking idiot? Why have you? I said that i considered this game as over. 1 mafia left at d2, with 9 townies, that is prety much over, if town dont play unbelieveable bad. | ||
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