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Season 8 Zerg Map Vetoes

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oOOoOphidian
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1402 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-12 03:03:10
June 12 2012 02:56 GMT
#1
Poll: 1st Veto

Tal'Darim Altar (162)
 
70%

Entombed Valley (23)
 
10%

Cloud Kingdom LE (11)
 
5%

Condemned Ridge (11)
 
5%

Ohana LE (8)
 
3%

Antiga Shipyard (7)
 
3%

Daybreak LE (4)
 
2%

Shakuras Plateau (4)
 
2%

230 total votes

Your vote: 1st Veto

(Vote): Cloud Kingdom LE
(Vote): Daybreak LE
(Vote): Ohana LE
(Vote): Antiga Shipyard
(Vote): Entombed Valley
(Vote): Tal'Darim Altar
(Vote): Shakuras Plateau
(Vote): Condemned Ridge


Poll: 2nd Veto

Entombed Valley (92)
 
52%

Shakuras Plateau (26)
 
15%

Antiga Shipyard (17)
 
10%

Condemned Ridge (13)
 
7%

Tal'Darim Altar (12)
 
7%

Ohana LE (8)
 
5%

Cloud Kingdom LE (7)
 
4%

Daybreak LE (2)
 
1%

177 total votes

Your vote: 2nd Veto

(Vote): Cloud Kingdom LE
(Vote): Daybreak LE
(Vote): Ohana LE
(Vote): Antiga Shipyard
(Vote): Entombed Valley
(Vote): Tal'Darim Altar
(Vote): Shakuras Plateau
(Vote): Condemned Ridge


Poll: 3rd Veto

Shakuras Plateau (40)
 
28%

Antiga Shipyard (34)
 
23%

Condemned Ridge (25)
 
17%

Entombed Valley (15)
 
10%

Tal'Darim Altar (13)
 
9%

Ohana LE (8)
 
6%

Cloud Kingdom LE (6)
 
4%

Daybreak LE (4)
 
3%

145 total votes

Your vote: 3rd Veto

(Vote): Cloud Kingdom LE
(Vote): Daybreak LE
(Vote): Ohana LE
(Vote): Antiga Shipyard
(Vote): Entombed Valley
(Vote): Tal'Darim Altar
(Vote): Shakuras Plateau
(Vote): Condemned Ridge



Here are my veto choices:

Tal'Darim Altar
Rocked 3rd, easy for P/T to blind counter 2 base play or set up an all-in at a far away 3rd if you pick that. No ramp makes ZvZ all about early game cheese.

Shakuras Plateau
Bad for ZvT and ZvP due to chokes, middle, base distances, late game, etc. Pretty decent for ZvZ though sometimes a 3rd can be hard to hold.

Antiga Shipyard
Bad for ZvT mostly, due to the close spawns, middle, and the problem of taking a 4th base.

These were my vetoes last season as well, actually. I like Entombed Valley despite close spawns and easy 3rd base for P/T, as it's simply a fun map that encourages a variety of games even though 3 base play is extremely common. Ohana is pretty bad due to how spread out all the bases are and the small map size. It has some rough chokes that really hurt zerg too. I wish Korhal tournament edition was added, as I actually really enjoy the LE of it and the modifications seem to make it even better. I haven't made up my mind about the new map, but given that the rocks are no longer at the third I am willing to give it a try as it looks different.
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GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
June 12 2012 03:01 GMT
#2
Here is the map pool for anyone needing it:
Condemned Ridge
Antiga Shipyard
Cloud Kingdom
Daybreak LE
Entombed Valley
Metropolis
Ohana LE
Shakuras Plateau
Tal'Darim Altar LE

I am vetoing Tal'darim, Entombed, and maybe the new map. With new updates, I will give it a chance though.
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Masvidal
Profile Joined April 2012
Korea (South)213 Posts
June 12 2012 03:06 GMT
#3
Why would Zerg ever veto TDA? Its freewin every time you draw a ZvP on that map.. Its Muta heaven and Protoss needs half their tech tree to wall off. TDA Zerg forever!
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ZealotKiller
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada161 Posts
June 12 2012 03:06 GMT
#4
I was wondering, isn't there also another map that is going to be removed? In the map pool update here, they say that they only want 8 maps in the ladder map pool, and they want to remove older maps. For this to work, they need to remove one unannounced map, probably Tal Darim Altar or Shakuras Plateau. In this logic, my map vetoes will probably be Entombed Valley(close positions :S), Tal Darim or Shakuras (or both if I have to, since they are old and I dislike the gameplay on Shakuras), and then most probably Condemned ridge, but I do have to give it a chance. Well, can't wait for new season!
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Inside.Out
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada569 Posts
June 12 2012 03:06 GMT
#5
veto taldarim, entombed, shakuras for me
oOOoOphidian
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1402 Posts
June 12 2012 03:07 GMT
#6
On June 12 2012 12:06 Masvidal wrote:
Why would Zerg ever veto TDA? Its freewin every time you draw a ZvP on that map.. Its Muta heaven and Protoss needs half their tech tree to wall off. TDA Zerg forever!

As I said it's easy for protoss to blind counter 2 base (muta or infestor) play. It's a horrible map for ZvP.
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oOOoOphidian
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1402 Posts
June 12 2012 03:12 GMT
#7
On June 12 2012 12:06 ZealotKiller wrote:
I was wondering, isn't there also another map that is going to be removed? In the map pool update here, they say that they only want 8 maps in the ladder map pool, and they want to remove older maps. For this to work, they need to remove one unannounced map, probably Tal Darim Altar or Shakuras Plateau. In this logic, my map vetoes will probably be Entombed Valley(close positions :S), Tal Darim or Shakuras (or both if I have to, since they are old and I dislike the gameplay on Shakuras), and then most probably Condemned ridge, but I do have to give it a chance. Well, can't wait for new season!

Ah, this is a great point. I am expecting Tal'Darim to be removed out of all the maps, as most people don't seem to like it unless they love to 4gate in PvP.
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
June 12 2012 03:20 GMT
#8
Antiga for sure

Tal'darim most likely 2nd.

The rest I can deal with. Condemned Ridge looks manageable. Might even be a decent map.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45182 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-12 03:23:31
June 12 2012 03:22 GMT
#9
I don't really mind the map pool at this point, although it's probably because I'm one of the few Protosses who apparently doesn't mind 4gate 1gas PvP on Tal Darim and hasn't gotten tired of the old maps yet ^^

I don't really care for Ohana though (especially because of the extra opening at the natural), so that'll probably be my only downvote (as Metalopolis is gone). Condemned Ridge looks just fine at the moment, but I haven't played on it yet so I'm not sure if there'll be anything key that I dislike about it.

Since I have an extra downvote, I might just get rid of Antiga just for the hell of it... for some reason I tend to have more trouble on that map than others ::shrugs:: I'd make that decision later on though.

I like Entombed and Shakuras. I just... do. Even if they're not blatantly Protoss favored in both non-mirror match-ups. I just like the layout of the map. I feel comfortable on them, and that's what matters to me
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Apollo_Shards
Profile Joined February 2011
1210 Posts
June 12 2012 03:23 GMT
#10
Im only vetoing one map as I like to play as many maps as possible. But Tal Darim is just way too frustrating to play.
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Dalguno
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2446 Posts
June 12 2012 03:24 GMT
#11
It's so interesting to see how the meta changes. Two or three seasons ago, Tal'Darim and Shakuras were among the best zerg maps. I always have vetoed Tal'Darim and I remember having friends laugh at me for it because it was a good zerg map, now it's going to be the most vetoed zerg map (at least, that's likely).
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 12 2012 03:29 GMT
#12
Condemned, TDA and Metropolis
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oOOoOphidian
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1402 Posts
June 12 2012 03:30 GMT
#13
On June 12 2012 12:29 Torte de Lini wrote:
Condemned, TDA and Metropolis

It doesn't look like they're adding Metropolis in just yet. That map pool update may not be completely finalized yet, though, as another poster pointed out.
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Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-12 03:43:15
June 12 2012 03:36 GMT
#14
I'm not a fan of Condemned at all so I'm taking Entombed Valley off the veto list in favor of that. WOOPS just found out they removed the rocks

Condemned Ridge
Shakuras Plateau

I always leave my third veto free so I can squelch a map that is coming up time after time. I think that TDA seriously sucks with the third and all but it's not the end of the world. -Oh yeah, Shakuras Plateau has always been a stupid map for anything except ZvZ in my experience.

I don't particularly like Ohana or close position enabled Antiga but I simply do not like playing zerg on Shakazulu or Condemned Ridge.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 12 2012 03:38 GMT
#15
On June 12 2012 12:30 oOOoOphidian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2012 12:29 Torte de Lini wrote:
Condemned, TDA and Metropolis

It doesn't look like they're adding Metropolis in just yet. That map pool update may not be completely finalized yet, though, as another poster pointed out.


Oh Thank God! I hate Metropolis!
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Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
June 12 2012 03:39 GMT
#16
May I ask.. whyyy?
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Flonomenalz
Profile Joined May 2011
Nigeria3519 Posts
June 12 2012 03:39 GMT
#17
TDA, Antiga, Entombed.
I love crazymoving
Dissonance23
Profile Joined September 2010
United States259 Posts
June 12 2012 03:47 GMT
#18
TDA, Shakuras, Condemned.
ItsTheFark
Profile Joined June 2010
United States158 Posts
June 12 2012 03:48 GMT
#19
Do people really think Antiga is better than Shakuras for Zergs?
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
June 12 2012 03:57 GMT
#20
I generally have more fun on Antiga than I do on Shakuras. I don't know how you define better but since I"m not aspiring to be a triple crown grandmaster progamer; I say Antiga is better than Shakuras.
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