EPTsciberbia drafted me XD
this is my 4th newb game. I thought the third would be my last, but I can't not play with my buddies!
Newbie Mini Mafia XVII
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s0Lstice
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sciberbia drafted me XD this is my 4th newb game. I thought the third would be my last, but I can't not play with my buddies! | ||
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On June 12 2012 09:07 ShiaoPi wrote: To scumteam, make sure solstice gets shot n1 again  that would be 3 games in a row :DNoooo! Shoo shiaopi xD | ||
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On June 12 2012 10:20 sciberbia wrote: To townteam, if solstice is not shot night 1, you should lynch him day 2 :D If I'm scum I'm totally going to shoot myself to psych you out ;D On June 12 2012 10:43 suki wrote: Oh yeah, for the record guys I am female and I would hereby like to be referred to as 'she' and 'her' . It was really weird last game having ppl call me 'he'. Not a big deal but still weird. And you expect us to believe this sudden femclaim? did you breadcrumb it? + Show Spoiler + jk jk xD | ||
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Golden, we'll just have to make sure you are dead before the weekend starts ;D | ||
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Sciberbia, I agree with just about everything you said. One thing I'd add is for the cop to be smart about declaring a successful scum check. Be mindful of what other roles are still in the game, and weigh the sudden danger you put yourself in vs. the value of declaring your check. Also, all blues should consider breadcrumbing. It could come in handy. I encourage everyone to check my other games to help you verify my towniness as the game moves forward. I screw up reads just as often as the next guy, but I am pretty active when it comes to case-building and defending people I believe to be town. | ||
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On June 13 2012 09:39 trackd00r wrote: Hello there! I'm so glad to start another game in TL. Let the scumhunting begin! Sciberbia: Well, in my case, I don't know anyone of you, so I don't any background of your play. Anyways, it' just a matter of time that me and the rest of the -5 who were not on NMMXV- can see your play style. I'll take a look to that game if I have the time to get and idea. I won't accept a NO LYNCH unless I believe we may have a serious mislynch coming. I have this nice feeling that we won't have any inactives/lurkers this game. I think this is the best scenario to push a successful lynch on D1, which even though it's hard, it's possible with everyone's focus and analysis. Don't be afraid to accuse anyone. If you take too much time to turn your scum-o-meter on, specially close to MYLO, it will be very hard to the rest to listen to your thoughts. You would take it upon yourself to stop a lynch if it is against your read? | ||
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On June 13 2012 09:56 roflwaffles55 wrote: Hey everyone! Glad I got towned up for my first game, I'm hoping to be able to contribute to the analysis and casebuilding, as well as make some good reads of my own! I'll read up on the previous game that the 6 of you were a part of to see if I can't make some good calls when it comes time to vote. Would you care to comment on the topics sciberbia brought up? | ||
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Miltonkram His vote was a joke. Maybe it was more clear to people in the game that the joke is from, but don't read too far into it. trackd00r Suki's post concerning trackd00r met my approval. It did nothing to prove his scummyness (as she later clarified), but it got the ball rolling. My read on trackd00r is still neutral. suki the sample size is extremely small, but her strawman case against trackd00r immediately goes against her scum meta. Day 1 doesn't truly begin until someone makes a 'meh' case against someone else with a few 'meh' points. Being that first person is a position of pseudo-leadership, and I consider it less likely that a scummer would be so bold. I don't put a ton of stock into this, but it is something to keep in mind. Mouldy Jeb You are my #1 suspicion at this point. You make a big deal out of Milton's vote. You profess a nebulous, baseless suspicion of roflwaffles55, then compliment him on his scumhunting. If you knew this was a contradiction why did you even type it? On refresh, I see Crossfire99 has shown up. Hello and welcome. I'm gonna put you under a magnifying glass now ;D | ||
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s0Lstice
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Roflwaffles55, same question. | ||
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On June 14 2012 02:02 Crossfire99 wrote: --snipped Be careful roflwaffle, votes are only easily removable if you are around to remove them. You never know what might happen. Also, votes early on in the day cycle that don't really mean much followed by complete disappearance during a controversial lynch can be scum tactic to avoid making mistakes in a heated debate that occurs last minute. What an odd thing to say. Your message boils down to: don't vote because you might not be around later, and when that happens you are going to look scummy. Discouraging voting for such an arbitrary reason looks kind of scummy. Also, this hall-monitor stuff is a comfortable way for scum to post and have it look like they are pro-town. | ||
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On June 13 2012 12:04 trackd00r wrote: s0lstice: Is it my idea or you already gained trust from Sciberbia? I'm off to bed now. Can't do much atm. Will be back in 8 hours ~ Sorry I missed this. You are asking if I trust sciberbia right now? Put simply: no. He hasn't posted enough yet. | ||
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HeavOnEarth He's pretty lurky. His hard stance is on Golden, where he builds a case on the poor guy's intro post. Look at the case: On June 13 2012 23:52 HeavOnEarth wrote: morning everyone  First off, id like to say im suspicious of everyone who tries to stay under the radar. I feel newer mafia players have a tendency to try and stay quiet. That said O.Golden_ne looks the most suspicious to me- Is there anything even remotely helpful in this post? Everyone knows NL is bad. he seems to be posting for the sake of it also, i checked his last game, (he was townie) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=337671&user=92568 u can tell his tone is completely different, and he is generally more helpful. Think of it like this. Scum will be making cases against people on day 1...they have to. I looked at all the cases people have made, and this one stank especially bad. It's built entirely around a hello post. It has a very artificial feel to it. Also, he just posted this: Townies always feel the pressure of the ticking clock. Half of our time being gone doesn't seem to trouble him. He hasn't really bothered to comment on what's been going on in the thread outside of his own reads. He's been on Mouldy Jeb's case as well. Here's some more recent(!) material: On June 14 2012 09:32 HeavOnEarth wrote: was sort of waiting for MJ to post something after he was like hurr durr ima post soon. i took a look at his previous game though and his posts seem consistent from when he was townie. hes really not helping at all, and definitely still looks scum, but it feels like poor town play rather than mafia. Confused? Me too. I think this dude has a chance at flipping scum. alan133 There is already suspicion surrounding him, so I won't rehash. The main thing that raises my eyebrows is his defense against rofflwaffles. It was strong, and that was the problem. He was lightly gouged and hit back full force. This can be a sign of fear, or 'something to hide' as waffles put it. Mouldy Jeb There isn't really much of a case here. I went and looked at the Magic:The Gathering mafia, and his style is very similar. His style is dangerous, because it's near impossible to read. There is something to go on with his treatment of rofflwaffles, but that's it. Frankly, I hate the idea of him being around late game. I would vote for any of these three at this moment, but I'm not in love with any of these cases. We had it easy last game thanks to sciberbia. That said, you do the best with the circumstances you have, and lynch the scummiest player. We still have some time, so I hope we can improve our odds. Now for the errata. Austinmcc and Crossfire99 really need to post more. Just awful filters. Sciberbia, I have a mental block where I auto-green you in my mind. I fought it off and you really aren't posting much either. I hope you have something for us soon. | ||
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I am removing alan133 from my scum list. The main thing that had me suspicious was his strong-arm defense, but everything following that has been fine. I like that he is holding himself accountable for his style, and I want to see what he can do when not under pressure. austin and suki have commented on crossfire99, and I have to say I agree. I was planning on wrighting a post similar to what suki has done. The cogent point is that he has long bouts of inactivity when he is both scum and town. He should get the same level of suspicion that every lurker gets, but nothing special beyond that I feel. His filter right now is pretty garbagey, and hard to get a read on. I wouldn't be upset if we lynched him, but I think we can do better. Here is better: HeavOnEarth. Nothing has happened to change my initial opinion on him for the better. In fact, him buddying up to sciberbia in his latest post makes him look worse. Go read my case if you missed it. I'm not the only one to see him as suspicious, so I think there is plenty of traction here. ##vote HeavOnEarth | ||
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On June 15 2012 02:24 roflwaffles55 wrote: What exactly in alan133's play made you suddenly change your mind? He reworded his arguments and continued to attack the two people who are putting pressure on him. He still hasn't brought anything new to the table, except for try to expand on this conspiracy theory that he has running between me and suki. He improved his wording, and he says he changed his playstyle. However, all he did was become more aggressive towards me... and suki... His play maintains relatively the same. It's increasingly suspicious, I got called out for changing my play when the public opinion seemed to want me to, and then he does the same thing. If somebody considers outside information concerning their playstyle, recognizes its value, and makes changes, I consider it a good thing. Nobody should be tarred and feathered for changing their minds, provided they adequately explain their reasoning. This is the rule of thumb by which I examine situations like these. In this situation, alan is accused for being neutral/passive. He recognizes the criticism, acknowledges it publicy, and begins making a change. This was the sequence of events..there is no contradiction here. Whether you like his reads or not, he DID double down on them and he DID pursue them more aggressively. I don't like that we haven't seen much outside of OMGUS from him in regards to scumhunting. I don't like that he uses connection reasoning in his reads. These are the knocks against him as I see it. Does this make him scum? I say no. I've seen a number of examples where two people OMGUS eachother for most of the game and both end up being town. It's extremely common for town newbies to fall victim to the OMGUS bug. They know that they are town, and when they are accused they are only one bad logic step away from accusing their accuser. Bottom line is, the evidence against him currently doesn't paint him as firmly scummy. The main arguments (assuming I caught them all on my re-read) are neutrality, accusing his accusers, and his knee-jerk defense, correct? There is definite newb townie motivation for all of these. | ||
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On June 15 2012 02:47 austinmcc wrote: Right now I would prefer a vote on Crossfire or Golden, either works. Crossfire may tend to lurk, but he's been active for 2 hours this game and didn't contribute much, if anything, during those 2 hours. 1/2 golden's activity was promising some giant omnibus post, which he immediately began to apologize for because it didn't mention some of the more recent topics at all. He failed to make good on his promise to talk to us soon. I no longer wish to be his lover, don't know about the rest of you. Moreover:+ Show Spoiler + On June 13 2012 09:43 O.Golden_ne wrote: No help rolling balls. No help squeezing lurkers. Not being aggressive at all. THESE are contradictions that stick out to me. Taking a pro-town position, doing so strongly, and then never following up on that, in fact, actively doing the things he said he was going to combat.Lets get the ball rolling and squeeze out the lurkers early so we can narrow things down later on. Looking forward to scumhunting, i'm happy with the deadline on this as its 10am for me in Aust, which means i'll be able to meet the deadlines for lynching in the mornings a little easier. I'll try my hardest this game to meet these deadlines and to contribute useful information rather than filler. Essentially i'm all for an agressive early game. I want to be able to establish some basic reads by the end of Day one, and if theres no-one who's appropriately scummy then we lynch a lurker. Golden Solstice, as to heavonearth, I don't prefer him to other targets. I agree that him calling out Golden wasn't much of a case, but Golden's first post IS weak. On your second point about time, I read that post as him being confused because your post made it sound like the deadline was really, really close. The third point on his contradictory comments does look odd, but I don't want to lynch him off of that. Look at it this way - MJ got lynched in MTG because he looked scummy D1, yet he was townie. So his posts definitely looking scummy IS consistent with when he was townie, as stupid as that sounds. Go have a look at newb mini XIV. It may give you some insight on Golden. I built a huge case on him for day 2 based on many of the points you are making this game. He flipped town. I'm not saying he couldn't be scum, but I'm seeing similarities here. | ||
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On June 15 2012 02:44 roflwaffles55 wrote: I believe that the most lynchable potential scum right now would be Crossfire99. I understand that there are already votes on HeavOnEarth, but if he really is that incompetent at bringing cases to the table, as a scum, why would he try to post them? He is suspicious to me, but not as suspicious as Crossfire. Unless he responds to the accusations in a convincing and collected manner soon, I strongly believe that he should be lynched. What? This is a really, really odd question. Your question assumes that he thinks of himself as incompetent, and actively tries to compensate for it. You clear him on this basis: a scum HeavOnEarth would look in the mirror and be like 'boy are you incompetent, don't go posting any cases now!', whereas a townie HeavOnEarth would be blissfully unaware of his incompetence and post as he sees fit. Furthermore, it's obvious scum are going to make an effort to accuse people, they have to appear town... ##FoS: rofflwaffles55 | ||
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People who are on Crossfire99 should read his newest post and adjust accordingly. I feel we have a darn good chance at hitting scum on day 1 with HeavOnEarth. | ||
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