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Lazermonkey
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Will be my third newbie game : ). Could we wait for at least 1 or 2 replacements before starting this game? In alot of the newbie games people dropping out for no reason seem to somewhat ruin the game because replacements arent found/aren't found fast enough. | ||
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Lazermonkey
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Regarding lynches: I really really dislike nolynching for three reasons. 1. because the information that we are able to get out of it is very limited. Yes, we avoid a potential misslynch but on the other hand scum will score a more or less a free-kill during night. Essentially, we are back on D1 but this time we are in a 6-2 instead of a 7-2. 2. If we agree to nolynch then what is there to discuss? It's like asking for people to lurk even more. 3. With no vigilante in the game the only way we can win is to lynch scum. Kinda obvious but still. We require 5+ votes in order to get a lynch done. With that in mind I hope that people are willing to vote for someone who isn't their top 1 scum. Obviously, if you REALLY don't think there is any chance that the person that is about to be lynched can be scum, then sure, don't vote him. But if it seems like your target hardly gets any votes and your second highest scumread is at 4 votes with 30 minutes untill deadline, then I think you should swap your vote onto him. Lurkers!: There are two types of lurkers. The ones who doesn't post anything and the sneaky ones, who posts ALOT but nothing of value. The first category could either be bad town play or scum play. But the second category is almost exclusivly scum play. If you are a townie, speak your mind, don't make a super duper long post when you could've said it on just a few lines. Keep it simple. With that being said, post! I wanted to get this post out as fast as possible because it's my first one. Will be reading the rest of the thread now! | ||
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Lazermonkey
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Your second post is this: On June 09 2012 11:13 grush57 wrote: (Yes, lets pressure the only non-lurker) Woo! So this doesn't add anything to the discussion really. If I understand this correctly, you think that because you are posting (which at the point isn't true at all because you only posted once before but w/e) it makes you look townie and that s0Lstice and Release should instead focus at the people that havn't posted yet. Long story short: you think that lurkers are scummy. On June 09 2012 11:38 grush57 wrote: So your third post is this. Now you changed your mind. It's fine if people lurk. (What case?) Whats to talk about, seriously give me something lol. People are lurking? Yeah mlg is on and it's not even 3 hours On June 09 2012 12:07 grush57 wrote: Yeah, but I'm not a lurker. Some hours later you post this. You clearly don't want to be viewed as a lurker. Still you post only very short posts, wouldn't it be more effective to post longer posts with better content if you wanted to apear non-lurker? Instead of telling everyone that you aren't a lurker? On June 09 2012 12:12 grush57 wrote: Even later, Unless you find a clear scum(this is on D1, aka hard to find clear scum) you are fine with lynching lurkersYeah but I want scum lynched not necessarily a lurker. However, if there are no clear scum then a lurker lynch would be best. On June 09 2012 12:22 grush57 wrote: So you don't want to lynch a scum. You want to lynch a lurker that will give no information. Ah, that isn't scummy. Once again you change your mind. Lurkers gives no information. I take this as lynching lurkers are terrible I guess. The last post before you are off. On June 09 2012 13:55 grush57 wrote: So now you are once again really suspicious of people not posting. Also if there are two mafia among the lurkers it means that you have a townread on s0Lstice, KtheZ and Release. Correct?K well it's hard to do with half the people didn't even post yet. I wouldn't be suprised if the 2 mafia are in those lurkers. You are all over the place atm. You don't take a clear stance with your opinion on lurkers but flip your opinion like 4 times. And you also seem very concerned with the possibilty of being a lurker. It's really simple. If you post good stuff, you will not be considered a lurker. There is no point in trying to convince us wheter oor not you are one. FoS: grush57 | ||
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Lazermonkey
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On June 09 2012 18:11 The_Zen_Man wrote:Also, as to my opinions on lynching, i agree that in case there is a hard lurker and no scum reads we should lynch the lurker, as he is not contributing anyways. But lynching with not much information (like d1) will probably result in a misslynch. We still gain information even is there is no lynch, by observing how players act before lynch, what they vote for, reaction after lynch, etc. There isn't ever going to be a situation where we have no scumreads at the deadline. Never. We already have grush57 being massivly suspicious and this is just a couple of hours into the game! Yes we gain info from nolynches but nowhere as much as a normal lynch. The reason being is that nolynch isn't really a bad choice for scum so they don't really have to take a specific stance anywhere in order to fit in. I think no lynch simply is inferior to lynching. | ||
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Lazermonkey
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On June 09 2012 22:57 grush57 wrote: Lazermonkey you'r misinterpreting things and putting words in my mouth. The words I type are what they mean, I was never lying. I never said that you lied. I think at least ; ). You are the person with the most posts atm but out of those posts 50% are about how you want to lynch scum and what not. They didn't really give us anything. The other 50% is about lurkers. The major issue for me is that even after theese posts I don't get a clear view on your opinion on lurkers. Yes, we know that you prefer to lynch obvious scum instead of lurkers. Anything but that would be strange. Except for that, your opinion seem to flip back and foreward. | ||
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Lazermonkey
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On June 09 2012 23:09 ha236 wrote: He does not say that it is "fine if people lurk". My interpretation of the sentances is that he does not know what to post about and then proposes the subject of why people are not posting and offers his explanation (being that the game just started, people might not be by the computer and even if they are they may be watching MLG). I might have been exaggerating a bit but if you compare with the tone of his previous post there is a clear difference. On June 09 2012 11:13 grush57 wrote: (Yes, lets pressure the only non-lurker) Woo! Feel free to correct me grush, but I take this as; Why push me when you could push someone who isn't posting? And why would you ever push someone if you didn't think they were scummy? He is implying that there is scum among lurkers, which at that point wasn't to bold of a claim to make due to the fact that only 3 people had posted back then. The second post is more like; Sure people lurks atm but it's fine due to the circumstances None of the posts individually strikes me as scummy but together I feel he is contradicting himself quite a bit. If he thinks there is scum among lurkers then why doesn't he push any of them? And if he thinks that it's okay with people lurking at some circumstances why is he now suspicious of the lurkers? On June 09 2012 23:09 ha236 wrote: In this paragraph Lazermonkey is trying to make the rest of us believe that grush said something he has not, that he is "suspicious of people not posting". Grush says he "wouldn't be surprised if the two mafia are in those lurkers" and from this Lazermonkey believes him to have a town read on the rest of the posters at that time. How? If he thinks there is two scum among lurkers and there is a total of two scum in the game, there cannot be any scum among those who are posting, right? | ||
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Lazermonkey
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On June 10 2012 03:07 ha236 wrote: This isn't the point I am making. He says he "wouldn't be surprised" if this were the case, not that he is sure that it is the case and from what I understand he isn't making this assumption based on his "readings", rather a motto that players that don't post alot are usually mafia (which, to me isn't very logical). Why would he say ''I wouldn't be suprised if the 2 mafia are in those lurkers.'' if he didn't even think that himself? He could've just kept his mouth shut if his thoughts were very vauge. He choosed not to. So he thinks it's of enough substance to be posted. And even if you are correct I don't like this post. He doesn't help us at all by saying ''there is a possibilty of 2 scum hiding among the lurkers''. Everyone understands this. | ||
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Lazermonkey
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Lazermonkey seems to make his own conclusions about grush, without it being the truth, as ha236 stated. His latest comments about the "i wouln't be suprised" quote is strange. Grush simply said that the scum might be among the ones that had not posted, but you just jumped to the conclusion that he meant that everyone that had posted was his townread. You also jumped to conclusion when grush wrote: [QUOTE]On June 09 2012 11:38 grush57 wrote: (What case?) Whats to talk about, seriously give me something lol. People are lurking? Yeah mlg is on and it's not even 3 hours [/QUOTE]So your third post is this. Now you changed your mind. It's fine if people lurk. [QUOTE][B] Where you assumed his stance was changed on lurkers. I think he only wanted to state a reason for people not posting. I agree that grush seemed scummy, but don't try to come up with conclusion that are not true.[/QUOTE] Did you even read my answer to ha236? I feel like I have already answered all of your questions... | ||
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Lazermonkey
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Lazermonkey
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On June 10 2012 04:54 ha236 wrote: I didn't say that he wasn't thinking it, I said that he wasn't sure. As for why he said it, probably for the reason of generating discussion - which everyone is so keen on doing on day one from what I've gathered. You can never be sure of anyone being scum, unless you of course are scum/detective. On D1, your accusations will never be more than an educated guess. | ||
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Lazermonkey
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On June 10 2012 05:14 Release wrote: lazermonkey, you were putting words in grush's mouth. Stop it. grush is 100% allowed to answer my accusations himself. In fact, I'd much rather prefer that over having you, ha236 and Thezenman telling me that I'm putting words in grush's mouth. Also mind to show exactly WHERE I made these false assuomptions you are talking about? | ||
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Lazermonkey
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On June 10 2012 05:42 s0Lstice wrote: Release, what do you think of my post on ha236? Lazermonkey, same question. I dunno what to think yet. He needs to post more before a can make a clear read. My initiall thought is that he is somewhat of an inexperienced townie or scum. I share your suspicion on him at this very moment, not only because of your post but also because of the way he doesn't seem to take a clear stance anywhere. He is soft defending grush but still thinks he is suspcious? His only real critique at this point is against me for making to big assumptions against grush. He still states that he overall agree with my suspicion of grush. I need to go to bed now, will be away for about 12 hours : S. See you guys tomorrow! | ||
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Lazermonkey
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But I'm not really interested in how many percent chance you think it is for him to be scum, rather who you think we should lynch and why. You havn't really said why you think Ha236 looks scummy, only that you think there is a certain possibilty for him to be scum. Also would you be able to lynch into someone like Ha? Or are you only up for a grushlynch atm? | ||
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Lazermonkey
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On June 10 2012 06:46 The_Zen_Man wrote: Did you read my post? I merely posted my opinion on you, i didn't post ask question. But it is good that you answered my imaginary questions. The_Zen_Man : I assumed that those were questions. Why would you ever post it otherwise? You say it's your opinion but basically all you had done was copy paste Ha236 concerns on my post. Like LITTERALY the same post. Except your claim your are just opinions. But it still confuses the shit out of me. I had answered all of his questions. You did not include any of these in your post. why? was it: a) You didn't think the answers were good enough b) You didn't read it c) ??? Since I ''make up my own conclusions which aren't true'' to quote you, I'll let you answer the questions this time. | ||
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Lazermonkey
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On June 10 2012 18:13 The_Zen_Man wrote: Lazermonkey, in my post i wanted to say that i supported ha236 that you made conclusion on grush that were not true, so it was bound to be similliar. I even said that it was what ha said in my post. Ha had already posed questions to you, but your answers were not very good. in one of your answers you agree that " might have been exaggerating a bit", which is basically saying that you were lying. That is not really a good answer. Then, with your second answer, you argue about the meaning of grush saying "I wouldn't be suprised if the 2 mafia are in those lurkers", which clearly means that he thinks that the mafia might be among the lurkers, not that they are definetly there. And no, it wasn't "LITTERALY" the same post, because if it had been that it would be one and the same. The case against The_Zen_Man So instead of writing ''I agree'', you took the time to write the whole case again? Not only is this useless and waste of time, it's also the way scum would play. You make it look like you post stuff of actuall value when it's in fact crap. You said my answers weren't very good. How am I suposed to know that? Because the concern here must lie in that you were unsatisfied with my answers, otherwise why would you post it in the first place? Yes I said I " might have been exaggerating a bit" but you are taking it completly out of context. I don't think you read my post very carefully if you said that. You make it look like I confessed that I lied. If you read the post this is clearly not what I did. You give 100% the exact answer that ha236 did once again here, regarding "I wouldn't be suprised if the 2 mafia are in those lurkers". I have already said what I think about this but still you don't inculde it in your post. Why is this? did you not like this answer either? am I suposed to ''assume this''? I don't get you ZenMan. You tunnel me like no tomorrow. But your cases are all crap. Either they are exact copies of Ha236 or they are over exaggerations and/or lies. None of that is good for town. You think grush is scummy, but you don't add thought behind that at all. You also put soft defense for him all over the place, but is very clear with that you still think he is scummy. You even say we should lynch him and ''then we can think about how to proceed once he flips.''. Bandwagon much? You don't think Ha236 looks scummy at all. You don't give any reasons at all for this. Still he havn't taken any clear stances anywhere? You don't think this is scummy? Is there a possibilty of you two being scumbros prehaps? Tbh you just fucking broke my scummo-o-meter. You don't write cases, at beast you copy them from Ha236, at worst you say things without a singel reference or post to back it up. You try(intentional or not) to pull the action away from both grush and Ha236 by posting crazy cases on me. I am willing to lynch grush or Ha236 if that is the only alternative but right now my suspicion on The_Zen_Man is tenfold my suspicion on those two combined. ##Vote: The_Zen_Man | ||
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Lazermonkey
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On June 10 2012 20:14 The_Zen_Man wrote:First of all, i would like to say that i am not making this in respond to Lazermonkey voring on me, but rather that he said that i did not have any ideas of my own. That's cool for me.On June 10 2012 20:14 The_Zen_Man wrote: Yes, that's what you should've done in this case. Can you mention even one thing in this post that isn't already in ha236s post?Now i would like to talk about your vote. First you say that i should have just written "i agree" in my post, which is what I basically did, I just referred to Ha236 post. But you seemed to think that i wrote this as my own post, which i did not. On June 10 2012 20:14 The_Zen_Man wrote:Then you later on say that i "tunnel" you, after i have just posted about 2 posts about you. Once again you exaggerate a lot. This is a typical scum play, to make small things seem very big, so that they can build on a case that is not really there. I don't think it's an exaggeration. You've made 7 posts so far(not counting the /in-post).1 is about how you missquoted 1 is about how you think Ha236 is not scum(but this is a crap post as you basically only says that). 1 is your introction post 4 is about me So basically you have two useless posts, 4 about me and one that is not. So 80% of your posts of substance is about me. On June 10 2012 20:14 The_Zen_Man wrote:You go on to say that i put "sof defense" for grush. Where have i done this? This seems like a scum move also, fabricating facts that do not exists. I have stated my opinion on grush before. ##Fos: Lazermonkey First you told Release to ease the pressure on grush. Then you also accused my case against grush of being bad. You are also one of the few people that havn't yet put any pressure on grush. This is ''soft defense'' in my eyes. You havn't said you don't think he is scum but if he flips green then you will be among those who looks least guilty.On June 10 2012 20:14 The_Zen_Man wrote: It's intresting that you keep saying that the case on ha236 is so weak when there are already a couple of people willing to vote for him. Surely there must be at least something with his play that is suspicous? ''Lazermonkey then jumped to this idea. Maybe Solstice and Lazermonkey are scumbros and tried to start a bandwagon?'', so the fact that I thought there were something worth of notice in his post makes us both scum? eh...What is also interesting is that not long after ha236 posted about Lazermonkeys's flawed logic and "exaggerating", Solstice came and posted a "case" on ha236, which was imo very weak. Lazermonkey then jumped to this idea. Maybe Solstice and Lazermonkey are scumbros and tried to start a bandwagon? On June 10 2012 20:14 The_Zen_Man wrote: After i posted some more on Lazermonkey where i was suspicous of his post on Grush, he immediatly voted on me to turn the attention to me. This can be a scum move, as they can start to panic and direct the attention elsewhere Lolwat. This is like the opposite of what I did. Your first posts was insanly strange and with lack of logic. Yet I didn't post a case on you. It was only after you had posted no more than 3 posts against me, all filled with crap that I wrote the actual case. On June 10 2012 20:14 The_Zen_Man wrote: Lazermonkey later goes on by saying that i pull the action away from grush, but that i am trying to start a bandwagon on him. This is contradictory. Why would i pull the action away from him if i wanted to bandwagon him? I don't know, that is for you to decide as you are the scum : ). I can think of plenty of alternatives. This also adds up to my point about your indecisiveness of grush. You pull the action away from him, doesn't push him at all yet you say we should lynch him without giving any alternatives? On June 10 2012 20:14 The_Zen_Man wrote: I am not going to vote for you because that would be to sink to your level. I prefer to stay calm instead of just voting for the other person, but you did rise on my scum reads. ##Fos: Lazermonkey Why so scared of voting me? Why would I write this case if you were a townie? Either admitt your very flawed logic or you should belive that I am scum. You did neither. And you even said earlier in the post that my play was much like scum play and also you thought there was a chance for me and s0Lstice to be scumbros. And yet you don't vote me... I have answered all you questions. You however failed to answer one of mine. Why do you not think Ha236 looks scummy? | ||
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Lazermonkey
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On June 10 2012 21:56 ha236 wrote: No, that's not really what I meant. I find it odd that The_Zen_Man is able to say that the case against you were weak, without a singel motivation even though there are people willing to lynch into you for that. This part stands out to me. You're basing your suspiscion on the fact that solstice and Release have said so? I might have misunderstood this but the reason people think I'm suspicious is because I've softly defended grush. If I havn't allready let me go over it again; I don't think grush is scum. In my opinion there is not enough information to decide this, basically the only thing grush has posted about is trying to defend himself against Release's relentless nitpicking of his posts. I've said it before and I'll say it again, you overestimate the value of that conversation. Anyone in their right minds understands that encouraging the rest of the players to not post (not exposing any information) so you're stuck at square one for the whole game pretty much labels you as mafia instantly. It's way to simple to lynch him because of this. He felt obligied to defend himself since he didn't want to end up in the situation (that he's in now anyway) where he's look suspicious because he hasn't answered peoples questions. | ||
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Lazermonkey
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On June 11 2012 02:31 grush57 wrote: K, we all know ha is mafia and that post pretty much tells who the scum team is. Besides defending a suspicious player and being very suspicious, he isn't scummy to me. Random ass numbers. He isn't making a bold move and a clear opinion on things. Very scummy. As town you have to stick to your guns like Release.That's why Release is my only 100% town read. Also, all the people somewhat defending me right now are town as well, as I know I'm town. The mafia are going to push me as I'm the most suspicious and somewhat defending Ha like KtheZ is. Very bad logic here. If scum smell that a lynch is going your way they could easily put up defense in favor of you. Then if we still misslynch you(assuming you are town now...) they gain town cred for defending you. Also this post contain contradiction. You say Release is 100% town read for you but also that scum would push you because you look suspicous. Release have been the one pushing you hardest this far. How can you have 100% townread on him then? | ||
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Lazermonkey
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On June 11 2012 03:51 KtheZ wrote: So now that it is time to decide who to lynch, we should think about whose lynch will provide the most information. The current FoS/Lynch votes have been directed to: grush<---- Release(voted), me ha<------- s0lstice The_zen_man<-------- Lazermonkey(FoS) Lazermonkey<---------- The_Zen_man(FoS) Or something like this. To me, the most probable first day lynch will be grush or ha. (zen man and lazermonkey have been trading blows with one another, but we havent paid attention to that all that much) First off, I voted The_Zen_Man, he FoSed me. Why havn't you paid attention to my case on The_Zen_Man? Unless I'm misstaken it's about 4 hours untill deadline. This is more than enough time for us to get 5 on this scum also known as The_Zen_Man. | ||
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Lazermonkey
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grush Ha236 me(Lazermonkey) The_Zen_Man s0Lstice s0Lstice were also suspicious of KtheZ recently, although no FoS were placed. We need to know who are willing to vote for who, even if they are not your n1 scumread if we are going to get a decent lynch tonight. Right now my main scumread is The_Zen_Man but I am also willing to lynch grush. Ha236 has imo given quite solid response to the accusations against him and I'm not very keen on lynching him anymore. I am not sure about either s0lstice and KtheZ yet tho, as their cases were very recently posted. | ||
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