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Sign me up. Learnt a lot from the first game and hope to put it to use this time. Less raw analysis, more thought and looking at the big picture | ||
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A great day 1 post, we're on a spaceship! Some interesting things going into this game. There is specifically a rule stating that "no lynch" is a valid vote. As this is my first game with this is an option, I thought it was worth stating my stance on this. In the absence of any cases with substance, I see "no lynch" as a potentially good day 1 option as it means we have a chance of avoiding a day 1 town miss-lynch. However, a good case against someone and pressuring lurkers would override this for me. Lurking does not help town, so let's get the discussion going. | ||
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On April 27 2012 00:31 AcesAnoka wrote: Hello everyone! This is my first game of mafia but I already love it! The theme is amazing too, we're on a spaceship! On a more serious note, I think we've established that Day 1 should be a No-lynch, we should wait and see how the first night develops. HOWEVER, if its blatantly obvious that there IS one trying to hide something, not saying anything, things could change around. Thoughts? I don't think we've established that Day 1 should be a no-lynch at all. A few people have merely stated that in the absence of a better case that would be a preferred option. @Splinter[eP] - while you raise a good point, I don't think mafia would typically be pro no-lynch day 1, as early town miss-lynches are common and it would be easy for them to slip by without getting much notice (while an innocent townie is killed off). | ||
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On April 27 2012 00:58 Jailbreaker wrote: Pure-SC2 - The no lynch is a terrible idea. Misslynch is collateral damage. It happens. Gotta say, I don't think much of your view on miss-lynching. | ||
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You can quote multiple people in the same post by using copy and paste. Quote post, copy, then paste into another link. Not hard. Click the "all" button next to the page numbers to see all pages. Surely you aren't this blind and asked these inane questions to clutter up the thread for some reason? | ||
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On April 27 2012 16:05 Jailbreaker wrote: Semi Long Post Warning + Show Spoiler + These are my thoughts so far on what has been posted. right or wrong, this is my interpretation. On April 27 2012 02:57 yomi wrote: these players havent posted: whysomuch mordanis calls them out for lurking: bandwagon under construction On April 27 2012 03:24 yomi wrote: ya rando lynch is bad that's 25% I think to hit which is not profit. But you only need 25 more points to get to 50% and then we are in profit territory so we'll see how it plays out. if everyone is getting along friendly and lurking all day like they are now then we can't do anything. and being useless: bandwagon mobilized. On April 27 2012 03:52 Mordanis wrote: Shit. I was asleep or at class until now. Anyways, I personally think that a lynch on the first day would be a mistake. I haven't followed much mafia, played before, or read as much as I should have, and so my personal view is that it would be a shame to lynch someone solely based on trying to trim down the total pool of people in the spaceship. OHMIGOSH was called a lurker! time to panic! On April 27 2012 04:00 Mordanis wrote: As an addendum to my previous post, it is going to be hard to judge whether someone is lurking or just sleeping, seeing as we have people from USA, Europe, and even South Pacific. Since days are 24 hours and nights are 48 hours, I definitely think that you need to wait for a fairly long time (I'm thinking about 9 hours), because people do occasionally sleep If nothing else, at least for first little bit we should tell everyone our relative schedules so that there is no misunderstanding. To start this off, I will be going to class in about an hour, and after that I'll be able to post maybe once before going to work until about 10:30ish PM (AZ time) Tries to clear lurker name. because hey, this is a gobal game right? somepeople might need more time. seemsreasonabletome. On April 27 2012 05:27 Lazermonkey wrote: But yet your own post doesn't really contribute much at all. If you think not enough people are posting or that they are posting useless stuff, wouldn't it be better if you did some analysis yourself? I think everyone are conscious about that we have mafia among us and everyone would like to avoid dumb misslynches. You are stating the obvious here. Your post is even a bit counterproductive in that you discouraging people from making posts about lynch/no lynch. Afaik there isn't much else to talk about atm but please let us know if there is something. Talking about peoples opinions about lynching gives us a tell on their gameplan/motives etc. so I find nothing bad with it. I'm off to bed now. There is a chance that I will not be able to post to much untill 20:00 CEST tomorrow. You're right, I should put more analysis into my posts. On April 27 2012 10:22 WhySoMuch wrote: Hey all, This is my first game on this site, but I have played WW elsewhere so I'm not a total newbie. First off, with regards to No-Lynch, this is a very bad idea. We have 2 kills a day as of right now, the vig and the lynch, by negating a kill we are automatically giving the wolves an edge by not taking advantage of our kill-rate. Also, even though a villager is more likely to be lynched, the information we gain via wagon analysis, late vote changes etc. becomes very valuable as we progress through the game. And a random question: Is there any way to get more posts per page? Right now mine is set to default and couldnt find a way to make me see more posts. Idk if it's possible. totally not drawing attention to myself Page 5 is the Yomi versus WhySoMuch showdown Yomi votes for whysomuch, whysomuch votes for The_Zen_Man (where did this come from?) they talk about win rates for town correctly lynching and whatnot I vote for Yomi because I feel like you are starting a bandwagon against whysomuch so early in the game then he asks why i voted for him. I think that is suspicious. then On April 27 2012 12:38 nreekay324 wrote: they're almost as bad as vampires ##vote: whysomuch so confused by this, dont know what to say. next is: On April 27 2012 13:16 WhySoMuch wrote: nreekay's vote on me is weirder than yomi I think I see this as: "YOMI has a reason to vote for me. Nreekay is prolly jumping on the bandwagon" O.Golden_ne - obvious critical analysis out in the open. BOOM CHECK IT next set of posts is my fail vote, lol. I vote for yomi for reasons stated above Mordanis- i think he is just trying to keep a "netural" image. I'm totally against the witchhunt too, I will put more analysis into posts. Regarding your post. - Why is pointing out lurkers a bandwagon under construction? If that's how you interpret it, then what the hell is this post from you? On April 27 2012 16:47 Jailbreaker wrote: As posted in Mordanis posts: "it is going to be hard to judge whether someone is lurking or just sleeping" There are several who have very few posts: Starting from "day one" Lazermonkey with 2 Pure-SC2 with 3 The_Zen_Man with 1 Veriat with 3 Splinter[eP] with 1 nreekay324 with 3 AcesAnoka with 2 everyone else has at least +7 posts. more posts, more to analyze - You think that it's suspicious that Yomi asks why voted for him after you didn't state a reason? What?! I vote for Yomi because I feel like you are starting a bandwagon against whysomuch so early in the game then he asks why i voted for him. I think that is suspicious. - On top of that you've tried to shut down valid discussion on no lynch, and have stated you don't care if we miss-lynch because collateral damage happens. I'm not sure about you. Seems too aggressive to be scummy, but something seems off. | ||
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The only other thing you've stated is not wanting to rush to voting. That is all you've contributed. What is your read on Jailbreaker? From everyones posts so far, who are the two people you find most suspicious? | ||
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On April 27 2012 18:32 WhySoMuch wrote: No Lynching today is about the worse thing we can do today. Why? Would miss-lynching a townie make you happy? What makes you think we don't get information from No Lynch winning the vote? | ||
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On April 27 2012 18:44 WhySoMuch wrote: Lol no it wouldn't make me happy, but the information we gain from it outweighs the negative. We don't get information from No Lynch because no one dies. The only way we get information is if there is a competing wagon against it, and in that case, that information isn't useful until that said competing wagon dies. The information we gain today (whether we push a lynch on a suspected scum, a lurker or a no lynch) all provides us information based on who votes for what, and the reasons why. It's not always clear on Day 1 what this information means, and the game cannot be won or lost on Day 1. If there are no solid scum reads (with supporting cases), and no clear lurker lynch, then why push a lynch on a possible townie? Then we are one townie down and giving an advantage to the scum. So I'd say regardless of what or who is voted for, we gain information. So considering you are pushing for a lynch regardless, who is your strongest scum read? The_Zen_Man? | ||
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Give us some original analysis on someone that isn't based on something already posted. | ||
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On April 27 2012 22:48 The_Zen_Man wrote: Also, concerning the second quote, you should read my post. I didn't say that scum would be opposed to a nolynch, simply that they would rather push for a lynch on a innocent townie than miss that chance to kill. This is the point I think most people miss when discussing this. All of the discussion around it and eventual votes on whoever is all information for us. Even peoples stances on it gives some clues as to what they are thinking and help build the picture of peoples motives as the days roll on. | ||
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You need to explain why you voted for whysomuch. FoS: @nreekay324 | ||
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So we're playing a newbie game here, for people who've played 3 or less games. yet here he is so ingrained in his Wolves/Villages thing that he can't even proof read his posts to change it to reflect the fact we're playing Mafia here, on the TL mafia forums, in which everyone else is referencing mafia/scum and townies? How many games do you have to have played to get it that ingrained in your head? And after its been mentioned by a few people, why wouldn't he make any effort to do something about it? Yet his posts seem well thought out and carefully worded. He goes on and asks the most basic fundamental questions that can be answered by using the tiniest bit of logical thought (how to quote posts and view more posts on a page), which doesn't line up with the fact that his posts seem to be well thought out and logical. I don't trust him. It's like he's playing this naive, simpleton role here so that he won't come under suspicion. | ||
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You're voting for The_Zen_Man because you're puzzled by the "lynch no lynch" discussion, and you find his overal playstyle fishy. Well, what about his playstyle do you find fishy? Quote what it is that stands out for you. At the moment, you've just raised yourself a few notches higher on the scumdar. | ||
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@The_Zen_Man - we wanted Veriat to post more, why when he does is that in itself suspicious? | ||
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If you genuinely think he is suspicious, give your vote some substance by explaining exactly why you are convinced he is scum and should be lynched tonight. "several other players have raised concerns" is just a useless bandwagony reason and doesn't cut it for me. He needs to do the same thing with his case against you. Just because he hasn't doesn't mean you can get away with doing the same thing to him. | ||
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