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Lazermonkey
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Learned alot from my last game! As of now we have about 56 hours untill lynch time, so we are in no hurry. However it's always nice to get the discussion going as fast as possible. As for lynching, I think we shouldn't be to fast to judge based upon what they say in the very beginning, especially since this is a noob game. Alot of people are inexperienced and WILL ''scumslip'' even tho they are townies. I'm not saying that you shouldn't analyse what people are saying, but rather that you shouldn't tunnel someone just because you thought something they said in one of their very first posts was suspicous. Step up and post now : ) | ||
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On April 27 2012 04:33 Jailbreaker wrote: with all this nonsense talk about scheduals and lynch/no lynch, we're forgetting about the real issue here: THERE'S MAFIA SCUM AMONG US. I know it is day one, but does it have to be so passive? I don't want to vote for the wrong person based on three posts But yet your own post doesn't really contribute much at all. If you think not enough people are posting or that they are posting useless stuff, wouldn't it be better if you did some analysis yourself? I think everyone are conscious about that we have mafia among us and everyone would like to avoid dumb misslynches. You are stating the obvious here. Your post is even a bit counterproductive in that you discouraging people from making posts about lynch/no lynch. Afaik there isn't much else to talk about atm but please let us know if there is something. Talking about peoples opinions about lynching gives us a tell on their gameplan/motives etc. so I find nothing bad with it. I'm off to bed now. There is a chance that I will not be able to post to much untill 20:00 CEST tomorrow. | ||
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On April 27 2012 21:26 The_Zen_Man wrote: But still, regardless of what we choose, we will still gain information from the vote. In that way, we can gain information without the risk of lynching a townie, as stated above by Pure. On April 27 2012 21:20 The_Zen_Man wrote: Also, if i was scum i would push for a lynch rather that nolynch, as scum can easily go undetected in the early game and let us lynch a townie. Exactly what information would be given by a no-lynch? I don't really get this. And also, why would scum ever oppose to no-lynch? Sure they might not get a misslynch but on the other hand no information will be given. Misslynches are beneficial for scum but so are no-lynches. Therefore trying to see a connection between who wanted to lynch/no-lynch will not really give us any information at all. So in the end most cases on day 2 would be based upon mass WIFOM. I don't really like no-lynching at all. The opinion could be usefull in case we are completely clueless at the time of the vote, but then we are probebly royally screwed anyways. I don't have alot of time atm. Will post something longer in the evening. | ||
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@AcesAnoka - His posts are just scummier and scummier. Something to add on the case against him are the last posts before he goes to bed. He first is very suspicious about yomi, but when both Golden and Splinter posts some good cases against him he quickly responds with: On April 28 2012 02:24 AcesAnoka wrote: ##unvote I haven't thought of it the way you just posted, Yomi. I need nreekay to explain himself though. I understand that he needs to go to bed but basically what he does is fleeing from all the allegations by saying '' this case was bad, hope u forget about it till tomorrow''. @The_Zen_Man Must say that he is acting way to defensive atm. At least if he is in fact a towine. Up untill just an hour ago all he had posted was defensive posts in response to WhySoMuch. He then makes a summary posts which just made me even more puzzled. His conclusions just seem to be way off. The one I was most suprised about was: On April 28 2012 03:05 The_Zen_Man wrote: AcesAnoka: You seem suspicous to me. You're first comment was rather strange, but i know you shoulnd't judge someone too much based on what they first wrote. I think it was a good thing you put that pressure vote on yomi, after all it did give a response from him. It's almost like you didn't read anything but the very first pages. Alot of people, me including, have been thinking that AcecAnoka's behavior was more then just strange. This is NOT only due to his first post but mostly due to the yomi-debate. And I don't understand what you mean with I think it was a good thing you put that pressure vote on yomi, after all it did give a response from him.. The only thing yomi said was what everyone was thinking: that he was just trying to start a discussion. Now this is alot WIFOM. But it IS possible that AcesAnoka were trying to go for a cheap bandwagon on yomi and when he realized that it all failed utterly he was quick to abandon the ship. His scumbro The_Zen_Man tries to to cover his teammate by giving him a relativelynice review in his summary post. Imo The_Zen_Man seems like a confused townie tho and not lynch worthy at all atm. AcecAnoka on the other hand seems quite a bit suspicious to me still. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 28 2012 05:41 The_Zen_Man wrote: @Lazermonkey In that post a merely stated some of my opinions on some players.I posted several other similliar opinions on some other players. And concerning how i like how AcesAnoka put a pressure vote on yomi is because i liked it. We were all thinking why yomi voted, but we needed a statement from him. Also, the vote would tell us more why nreekay324 voted for whysomuch. + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2012 05:41 The_Zen_Man wrote: @Lazermonkey In that post a merely stated some of my opinions on some players.I posted several other similliar opinions on some other players. And concerning how i like how AcesAnoka put a pressure vote on yomi is because i liked it. We were all thinking why yomi voted, but we needed a statement from him. Also, the vote would tell us more why nreekay324 voted for whysomuch. And if AcesAnoka would want to go for a bandwagon on someone, why not whysomuch, who already had 2 votes on him? That seems to me like a town behavior. Also, if i was his "scumbro", wouldnt i support his voting on yomi before? Not vote with him or something, just some few posts about it. And yet i haven't done that. The reason for my defensive stance is beacuse i've had to explain some suspicions on me, not really any more than that. If you read my filter, you would know that. It seems like you are trying to find suspicious behavior on me, and you are not afraid on going far in your accusations. You did manage to inflate a few comments on AcesAnoka to me being his "scumbro" .Is it because on of your scum-buddies got some heat and you are trying to direct eveyones attention elsewhere? nreekay324 for example has been getting some heat lately. Atm im not sure about you, you haven't posted enough for me to be sure of you. That seems to me like a town behavior. Also, if i was his "scumbro", wouldnt i support his voting on yomi before? Not vote with him or something, just some few posts about it. And yet i haven't done that. The reason for my defensive stance is beacuse i've had to explain some suspicions on me, not really any more than that. If you read my filter, you would know that. It seems like you are trying to find suspicious behavior on me, and you are not afraid on going far in your accusations. You did manage to inflate a few comments on AcesAnoka to me being his "scumbro" .Is it because on of your scum-buddies got some heat and you are trying to direct eveyones attention elsewhere? nreekay324 for example has been getting some heat lately. Atm im not sure about you, you haven't posted enough for me to be sure of you. I feel you are just not reading/being stupid once again here. Alot of things in this post are plain wrong. And if AcesAnoka would want to go for a bandwagon on someone, why not whysomuch, who already had 2 votes on him? Both of the votes on AcesAnoka(or at least Yomi's, can't say too much about nreekay324 yet) were not serious. There was never a possibilty of bandwagoning here. Also, if i was his "scumbro", wouldnt i support his voting on yomi before? Not vote with him or something, just some few posts about it. And yet i haven't done that. No you wouldn't. Having two people out of a sudden sharing their opinions on a weak case would make you look scummy as hell. It's a common way to play scum, you split your opinions. So this doesn't prove your innocence. You did manage to inflate a few comments on AcesAnoka to me being his "scumbro" .Is it because on of your scum-buddies got some heat and you are trying to direct eveyones attention elsewhere? nreekay324 for example has been getting some heat lately. I even said in my post that my case on you and AcesAnoka being scumbros were a weak one. But the fact that you are still seem to think highly of Acec just makes me wonder more. Once again you post a somewhat confused post. It's like you aren't reading the posts well enough because you seem to miss alot of what is happening. You are still being overly defensive imo, which is not standard town play. And you always attack the one who are suspicious of you. First WhySoMuch, then nreekay324 and last me. Have it actually struck you that we might not be suspicious of you because we are scum but rather that we actually think your play is strange? Overall I still think your just town. I don't think your play looks like town, but it doesn't look like scum either. Going to bed now, will be much more active tommorow! | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 28 2012 06:54 The_Zen_Man wrote: @Lazermonkey It seems that you think that me and AcedAnoka are scumbuddies simply because i stated that i liked his pressure vote on yomi. That is a very weak case. Also, i find it very strange that you would post something even though you knew it was something weak. You stated in your post that it's really scummy to make a case that is weak, but you make one yourself. This is puzzling to me, you contradict yourself. You say that the votes on whysomuch was not serious and that there wasn't a possibility of a bandwagoning, but you also say that you don't know about nreekay324 yet? That means there was a possibilty of it, as we are still unsure of nreekay324 position. In your post you say that mine was confusing, yet you post one that is contraticting and strange in response? The reason i seem defensive is because i have to explain myself whenever someone like you raises strong suspicions against me. @Lazermonkey It seems that you think that me and AcedAnoka are scumbuddies simply because i stated that i liked his pressure vote on yomi. That is a very weak case. No shit sherlock. I even said that in my post. Also, i find it very strange that you would post something even though you knew it was something weak. Why wouldn't I post it? It's not like I'm tunneling you hardcore atm... You stated in your post that it's really scummy to make a case that is weak, but you make one yourself. This is puzzling to me, you contradict yourself. I never said this. Please reread my post. I said if whysomuch posted a weak case on yomi and you would agree with it that would make YOU look scummy. You say that the votes on whysomuch was not serious and that there wasn't a possibility of a bandwagoning, but you also say that you don't know about nreekay324 yet? That means there was a possibilty of it, as we are still unsure of nreekay324 position. So we need 7 people to get someone lynched. I was 99,9% sure yomi was just trolling which left us with 1 vote whysomuch with almost 48h to deadline. So no, he was never really in true danger. The reason i seem defensive is because i have to explain myself whenever someone like you raises strong suspicions against me. You are doing this wrong. Noone was really too suspicious of you untill the point where you posted like 5 defensive posts in just a couple of hours. And you still havn't posted any cases of your own. The only post you have that isn't defensive or arguing about no-lynches is you summary post. But that post was simply a summary. You didn't really bring anything new to the table and some of your reads were off. This will by my last response to you for a while. I'm not getting anywhere here I feel. You are not reading what I post or at least not reading carefully enough. I still think you are town. Your play is strange, because you aren't helping town alot atm, but I feel you also play very wierd if you would be scum. Your motives doesn't seem to fit a scum player. | ||
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##Vote: AcecAnoka This vote may very well change tho, depending on the events in the evening! | ||
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I think this would somewhat clear AcecAnoka from being mafia more or less, no? Mafia could've easily tried to spread the votes among him and Veriat to avoid lynching Verait. | ||
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Nova/The_Zen_Man - Like everyone already said, their actions can't be explained in any other way that they are twonies. AcesAnoka - My prime suspect from day 1. Like a said before, Him being scum doesn't make alot of sense to me atm. Mafia would just spread votes between him and Verait. However I think that he is play is quite strange. The only thing he posted after he got him from the wedding was some excuses and this: On April 29 2012 18:03 AcesAnoka wrote: EDIT: Just read through the whole thread and from what i've seen Veriat looked very suspicious, if I were there my vote would've gone to him too. I already thought it was strange that he was lurking so hard and his reasoning behind his voting was not much. This is just so strange to say imo. This would be a somewhat safe way to say that he is town because Veriat DID in fact flip scum but what if he wouldn't have? We will never know which is why I feel this post is just so unnecessary. Aces, I'm leaning town on you but not because of your play. Step up and contribute! WhySoMuch - Orginally you were town for me. But I share the concerns of Golden against you. I am also a bit puzzled by your night play also feel. Sure you added some cool points, but why not do it later? This would ensure that scum had no time to switch their votes if you really were that afraid of getting killed. On April 29 2012 08:50 WhySoMuch wrote: I think I'm going to get all my thoughts out there during this night period because I believe I am a likely target for tonight's kill. Hence my posting. The Mafia isn't stupid and they know who they should kill, posting isn't really gonna give them any clues on who to kill. Obviously you could also try to level with them if you are not a power role to draw the kill as well. If you choose not to post I don't think it's a bad thing, but I think we can use tonight to get a jump on tomorrow I also don't like this post. Feels like you are baiting medics/jailers here. Jailbreaker - Not posting much that can be usefull as of yet. And he just added this post: On April 30 2012 16:13 Jailbreaker wrote: Mordanis - + Show Spoiler + On April 30 2012 11:53 Mordanis wrote: Frankly, I was simply reluctant to change my 3 times in about an hour. In reality, I was more for a lynch for either player than I was for a lynch of specifically one of them. At that point, Aces hadn't posted in about a day, so without knowing any justification for why he was lurking, he was a good candidate for a lynch even if there was a low probability of his being mafia just because he wasn't any help for the town. Hell, I'm still for lynching lurkers even if there is a low probability of them turning out scum because we need to work together. Lurking only hurts us. Also, if you look at the earlier parts of the thread, I was one of the first to put pressure on Veriat, which I don't see mafia doing. After that little bit of defense, I'm very glad to have suspicion cast upon me. We need to have everyone defending themselves and looking at other players behavior. I'd like to think that I'm one of the least scummy posters, but I have no problems. I'll be able to post a bit more in a little bit, so bye for a few minutes :D All I get is a scum vibe from you on this post. But i feel like i don't have enough info on you to make a significant case against you. Seeing how I take individual posts instead of looking at the context of the posts. will post more when i have a goodnight sleep Which only increases my suspicion of him. If you check his filter you can also spot of mass escuses on why he is posting so "scummy" things. His play with yomi/Verait also is pointing towards him being scum but people have already talked about that enough, which is why I don't include it in this post. Overall this is my strongest scumread atm. I am too lazy to complete the list as I havn't really got very strong reads of Mordanis, Splinter[eP], nreekay324 and golden(don't think I missed anyone, did I?). Will update this post later on with my read on theese guys! | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + My reads so far, from most likely town to dunno relly to most likely scum: Nova/The_Zen_Man - Like everyone already said, their actions can't be explained in any other way that they are twonies. AcesAnoka - My prime suspect from day 1. Like a said before, Him being scum doesn't make alot of sense to me atm. Mafia would just spread votes between him and Verait. However I think that he is play is quite strange. The only thing he posted after he got him from the wedding was some excuses and this: On April 29 2012 18:03 AcesAnoka wrote: EDIT: Just read through the whole thread and from what i've seen Veriat looked very suspicious, if I were there my vote would've gone to him too. I already thought it was strange that he was lurking so hard and his reasoning behind his voting was not much. This is just so strange to say imo. This would be a somewhat safe way to say that he is town because Veriat DID in fact flip scum but what if he wouldn't have? We will never know which is why I feel this post is just so unnecessary. Aces, I'm leaning town on you but not because of your play. Step up and contribute! WhySoMuch - Orginally you were town for me. But I share the concerns of Golden against you. I am also a bit puzzled by your night play also feel. Sure you added some cool points, but why not do it later? This would ensure that scum had no time to switch their votes if you really were that afraid of getting killed. On April 29 2012 08:50 WhySoMuch wrote: I think I'm going to get all my thoughts out there during this night period because I believe I am a likely target for tonight's kill. Hence my posting. The Mafia isn't stupid and they know who they should kill, posting isn't really gonna give them any clues on who to kill. Obviously you could also try to level with them if you are not a power role to draw the kill as well. If you choose not to post I don't think it's a bad thing, but I think we can use tonight to get a jump on tomorrow I also don't like this post. Feels like you are baiting medics/jailers here. Jailbreaker - Not posting much that can be usefull as of yet. And he just added this post: On April 30 2012 16:13 Jailbreaker wrote: Mordanis - + Show Spoiler + All I get is a scum vibe from you on this post. But i feel like i don't have enough info on you to make a significant case against you. Seeing how I take individual posts instead of looking at the context of the posts. will post more when i have a goodnight sleep Which only increases my suspicion of him. If you check his filter you can also spot of mass escuses on why he is posting so "scummy" things. His play with yomi/Verait also is pointing towards him being scum but people have already talked about that enough, which is why I don't include it in this post. Overall this is my strongest scumread atm. I am too lazy to complete the list as I havn't really got very strong reads of Mordanis, Splinter[eP], nreekay324 and golden(don't think I missed anyone, did I?). Will update this post later on with my read on theese guys! Marvellosity - I claimed Aces to be town not due to his play but due to the events of D1 even though his own play were quite strange. So far your play seems town to me, and my view on you/Aces is unchanged. Mordanis - You pushed the lynch at Veriat harder than most people. Arguable maybe the hardest. You will remain town for me for at least some time. Golden - This is a harder one, your vote D1 seems WIFOM to discuss. Either your scum and you tried to save Verait as hard as you possibly could. Not voting Verait make you look scummy. You can also be town and just didn't think he was scum. Other than that, your play seems okay. The only thing a find a little strange is that excluding the first half of D1 Jailbreaker havn't been on your list of suspicious people at all. What is your opinion on him? Do you think that he is town now and if so, why? My impression from this post is that you still find him somewhat suspicious, but it's hard to make any analysis on this matter as it is the first time you mention him since D1: On May 01 2012 11:23 O.Golden_ne wrote: 1. Nreekay324 You posted a decent argument against Jailbreaker in a spoiler on your D1 Summary post. Nreekay324's Filter What would it take to change your vote from AcesAnoka (marvellosity) in the same post, to Jailbreaker? I feel like your argument against Jailbreaker looks stronger than this one against AcesAnoka (marvellosity): Overall Golden seems town atm but that is subject to change. nreekay324 - Hmm, I clearly feel your activity during D1 wasn't great at all. You only posts were mostly centered around yomi being scum, which we for sure isn't true now. Your latest post was good tho and you answered for at least some of the allegations against you. The only thing about this post is that is confusing to me is your vote on Aces: + Show Spoiler + [QUOTE]On May 01 2012 01:52 nreekay324 wrote: Jailbreaker 1) Only vote on yomi, and yomi was shot night cycle. 2) Posts don’t seem to have a lot of content, there’s a lot of summary and weak accusations/ questioning. 3) This quote in particular; [QUOTE]On April 29 2012 04:09 Jailbreaker wrote: nonononononono water you guys doin? you planet all wrong. Can't you see that other players are trying to rush people into a decision so fast?? Just because we dun have a majority vote, doesn't mean we should rush. Even though I voted for Yomi so fast in the game, i didn't rush. Just like what golden says, stay clam and dont panic. I know its fail logic right here, no apollo-gies here on my part. [/QUOTE] This was a decent amount of time before the lynch-veriat train really started rolling, jailbreaker tries to advocate against it. He doesn’t provide any case in favor of Veriat however, and just side-steps the issue. 4) And then this, [QUOTE]On April 30 2012 16:13 Jailbreaker wrote: Since I voted to horribly wrong, I'm going to delay my vote until it is closer to the deadline. [/QUOTE] It’s like jailbreaker wants to let other people make cases for him, so that he can choose the safest one to vote for and thus remain safe. 4) Was on Veriat’s “scum” list. I”ll defer to whysomuch for this; [QUOTE]On April 29 2012 09:12 WhySoMuch wrote: [QUOTE]On April 28 2012 18:26 Veriat wrote: Ok here are my thoughts on who are the scum: The_Zen_Man nreekay324 Jailbreaker Acesanoka + Show Spoiler + A number of arguments have been made, and not much to add to them because he hasn’t been posting much. He, like other lurkers, should be pressured D2. What got the successful D1 lynch was from pressuring lurkers (yomi called out veriat for this very reason). We need to keep this up. ##vote: AcesAnoka ##FOS: Jailbreaker [/QUOTE] Sense is not made here. I don't really understand why you are voting Aces at all. Overall, your gameplay is at times good and at times quite confusing and I'm not sure whether you newbie town or scum. Splinter - Lurking at the moment, and havn't been posting anything of substance since D1, where he posted a case vs Aces. He was the one who started the suspicion on Aces. Can't do to much analysis in this case as it's very WIFOM. Either he is scum and wanted to capitalize on the confusion in Aces posts or he was town and thought the play in fact was scummy. Needs to be stepping up hardcore. Conclusion/TL;DR Townies: The_Zen_Man Pure Dunno yet: O.Golden_ne(although I'm leaning town here) Marvellosity(same as above) Mordanis(same as above) WhySoMuch nreekay324 Scum: Splinter[eP](due to lurking) Jailbreaker(strongest read due to major holes and confusion in play) | ||
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Other than that, I have similar reads to you (I need more from Marvellosity at this stage, and have nreekay as a possible scum read) and like your contribution. True that. But do you really think that he wouldn't vote Verait if he were scum? He were hard pressured in the very end and saving Verait that day could've resluted in both him and Veriat getting lynched the following days. | ||
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Also I'm not even sure my vote matters anymore... but w/e ##Vote: Jailbreaker | ||
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I've been thinking about the D1 lynch alot. What is puzzling me is the fact that we actually got a scum on the very first day,aka very rare in mafia. Looking at the people voting we can see that: Veriat: (7): yomi, The_Zen_Man, WhySoMuch, Pure-SC2, Splinter[eP], Mordanis, O.Golden_ne The_Zen_Man (1): Veriat Yomi (1): Jailbreaker AcesAnoka (1):Lazermonkey WhySoMuch (1): nreekay324 Haven't voted (1):AcesAnoka So Veriat was scum and Jailbreaker was townie. Now if we assume that noone that voted On Veriat was scum then two of me, nreekay324 and AcesAnoka/Marvellosity must be scum. Now as for myself, I was seriously thought that Aces was looking way scummier than Veriat at the point of the lynch. I went to bed at about 22:00 and at that point where I left there were alot of indecisiveness on who to lynch. Thus I wasn't able to change my vote, although I'm not trying to archive town cred as I still think Aces looked more scummy in D1. While I can't be 100% sure that Marv/Aces is town, it makes alot of sense. nreekay324 could very well be scum tho. I still think that the odds of BOTH this players being scum is relativly low. + Show Spoiler + However, it is possible now that I am actually checking filters. During the 3 pages Marv posted this far he BARLY mentions nreekay324. nreekay324 himself is at first very suspicious against Aces, although when Marv replaces him he suddenly change his mind on him to town. This is somewhat strange to me... This means that someone in the inner circel, the ones who voted for Veriat in the first place must be scum. I still have a hard time seeing, Pure or Mordanis being scum as they were the ones who pushed for the vote at Veriat. Note that I'm in fact not including The_Zen_Man. I'm not sure what to think anymore about him. Yes it is true that he posted the first case on Veriat but he didn't actually push the case at all after that. It was Pure and Mordanis who did. during D2 he have posted not much at all. He states that he still think that WhySomuch is scum. I feel he is tunneling a little bit to hard atm and abusing the fact that he is "forever town" after D1. This is alot of WIFOM but for me he has at least lost his never-vote status. I'd say it's most likely he is town atm but not 100%. The other people in the circel: Golden: Still leaining town here. WhySoMuch: I'm not sure about this guy at all. As I'm lazy I will not post any evidence and such of this tho : ). I'm thinking that one out of Golden, The_Zen_Man and WhySoMuch is probebly scum. The most likely one is WhySoMuch but I don't want to be too fast on dissmissing the others! | ||
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