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Lazermonkey
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Never played on forums before, only IRL. Have been lurking around some tho... | ||
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On April 14 2012 23:55 Nova_Terra wrote: Yeah so thats pretty much what i said with more fluff. If you are going to agree with someone agree with them and move onto something else instead of posting a 1 paragraph flufffest like the above post. True, tho I added that I'd rather lynch someone in order to archive information than just some random lurker. And besides there really isn't much to discuss yet. | ||
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Lazermonkey
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People really need to start posting now, it's been almost 24 h since the day post came up, and we still only got ~2 pages of posts during that time. era was very active last game, though more in terms of quantity than in terms of quality. Haven’t seen him post since the start of this game yet, though, so my first vote goes to him. ##Vote:era I think it's a decent idea to start pressuring era now, however if he doesn't show up at all I guess he will be replaced anyway. Therefore we don't need to care to much about it as of now. | ||
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I also think that it is time for Macheji to step up a bit more. He has posted 4 posts so far, but all of them have been very short and havn't added anything useful yet. | ||
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But so far this discussion has been very light and therefore the information given would be very small. If this continues we might be forced into lynch a lurker, which will basically have a very little chance of successand will get zero info. As for no lynches I have no idea whether that is possible or not, but even if it is we are just buying time for the scum to score some free kills. Thus it might even be better to make a misslynch and get some info, instead of lynching noone. Tho atm I really doubt that will be the case(gaining info, that is). | ||
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On April 16 2012 01:06 Therapist. wrote: What's the least bit of info we obtain from lynching a townie day one? In my first game, we almost mislynched a blue cop and he roleclaimed and completely lost the ability to obtain any real information all game. In our second game, we just randomly lynched someone and could get no real information from it (seriously, the extent of it was "oh that sucks oh well"). I don't see why you say that having only one person killed in a day/night cycle brings the mafia closer to victory. If anything, they are one person FURTHER from victory which is the entire basis for wanting a no lynch. So please, honestly, tell me how to learn things from a day one lynch. If there is a way, then I am just too bad to know it at this point and would love the tips. + Show Spoiler + On April 16 2012 01:06 Therapist. wrote: What's the least bit of info we obtain from lynching a townie day one? In my first game, we almost mislynched a blue cop and he roleclaimed and completely lost the ability to obtain any real information all game. In our second game, we just randomly lynched someone and could get no real information from it (seriously, the extent of it was "oh that sucks oh well"). I don't see why you say that having only one person killed in a day/night cycle brings the mafia closer to victory. If anything, they are one person FURTHER from victory which is the entire basis for wanting a no lynch. So please, honestly, tell me how to learn things from a day one lynch. If there is a way, then I am just too bad to know it at this point and would love the tips. The thing is, we really get the ship rollin' and start to discuss. If we start pressuring and we really pressure someone to the point where they are very close to get lynched they will obviously start to deffend themselfs, either by explaining their actions or to that they tell their opinion on who they think is mafia . Also in a close vote alot of information can be obtained by watching who voted for who(as nova said). ##Vote: Macheji Btw, could we get some info of whether no lynches are possible or not? That we we could start to talk about more important matters instead of hypothetical fluff | ||
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So Therapist; what are your thoughts this far? | ||
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Lazermonkey
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1) People obtaining a couple of votes will start to get pressured which is good for several reasons. They might have to reveal some usefull info or AT LEAST stop to lurk. There is also a slight chance that the person who obtains votes will be a mafia, in which case some of his scum-bros might have to show their true colour in one or another way. 2) We prevent the last-minute-voteswitch. It would usually be a good idea for the scum to keep their votes as long as possible. People swaping their vote very late should have an insanly good reason to do so, or they will truly scummy as hell. If alot of people keep their votes very long. the mafia will have an easier time to blend in. @Solohan - I'm not sure wether He is just noob or scum. Obviously we are all very new to the game so that could be an explanation for his play. But he hasn't contributed at all yet, only talking about the very hypothetical no lynch and agreeing with that lynching a lurker. Both thoose subjects had already been said at that point, more than once even. This is obviously a very suspicious move. We really need to see his response. @Macheji, oneplus, maybe someone I missed - we really need you guys to post. Preferably sooner than later. I'm going to to some stuffs now + sleep so it will be about 12h untill my next post. It's about 17h to lynchtime, unless I'm misstaken, so I hope we are closer some form of conclusion by the time that I check this thread again. | ||
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Lazermonkey
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So I wake up, read the thread and tbh I'm quite dissapointed in the progress made during the night. We are getting nowhere atm. We really need to stop discuss the possibility of no lynches. I would also like to add, that although the discussion regarding lynch v no lynch may not mean anything if indeed you cannot vote for a no lynch. It does however provide the opportunity for people to comment and add their perspective as to what they feel about the policy. This provides us with information which we can analyse nd to help show the motivation and logic behind their arguements. So it is far from fruitless. I agree with you, but this would only occur if everyone had posted really good opinions and cases. We aren't even close to that point right now. The following effects of a no lynch atm would probebly be something in line with: 1. Noone is lynched 2. Mafia most likely get a kill since there is such a small chance that the roleblocker/jailer would hit the right target due to little information. 3. The killed target townie and is a lurker/person who only posted that no lynch is a good opinion. 4. No info is have been archived. On April 16 2012 11:16 oneplus wrote: Sorry guys i was busy, finally i am able to catch up the thread. Well I am the first one to come out with the no lynch idea, let me explain abit about this. It would be a bit suspicious about me to come out with this but no lynch it's not no pressure for the scums we could see some potential scums coming out and want to lynch some townie in day 1 or he might be happy for no lynch in day 1 and try to go for a no lynch since they will be able to kill at night. From here we might get some information hence no lynch doesn't mean no information at all and it is bad. ##VOTE : No lynch I'm not sure if noob or scum, but This has been said over 9000 times in this thread. Please post something new... | ||
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Really, it doesn't make any fucking sence at all. I said that you havn't contributed at all yet, except for for discussing hypothetical no lynches. So that means you been more or less worthless up untill the point where you started to suspect me and Nova. It is good that you have finally stated your opinions on something more than no lynches. But I really don't understand why start accusing me and Nova. Both of us have contributed infinity more than for example solohan50. Your evidence is also very thin, only being based upon the fact that we both think that no lynches are a bad idea. I have explained why I think they are bad, and that if they mafia plays their cards right, no information will be archived. Not that it matters anything now that we know that no lynches aren't possible. But it does explain why I said that it was a bad idea. As for my true scumtells, basically almost everyone atm. There have been several persons basically been hardcore lurking all game. I also don't really understand the people who wanted to no lynch day 1 as it seems to me to be very scum-favored to go for a no lynch. I'm keeping my vote untill anything happends. This game is truly a mess atm with half of it participants being afk all the time... | ||
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Up untill this point I was quite sure that Nova wasn't scum, but now I'm starting to question it. An aspect that I think that you havn't brought up is his early game. The one thing that reallty is Pro-town about him is that he really tried his best to get the discussion going. He did some pressures and tried to get the lurkers to speak. He also was very clear about that he didn't like any fluff, although it is true he have been posting lots of posts that havn't really addded anything at all. This could be explained by the fact that we all pretty much agreed upon that lynching lurkers would be possible on day 1 and that he tried to get immune to lynches the very first day be being active. So with that in mind I think that his early game plans isn't very telling. It could've been done outof both perspectives. I'm writing as I am thinking, which is why the text above at first looks very fluffy ^^. Still think it is nice to know. As for Solohan50, The one thing I thought was that the 2 very short posts he actually made were basically echoing what everybody had said a dozen times before him. For me, this looked like a nice way to put some pressure at him and make him contribute and post some more material, rather than actually saying that he was 100% scum. As for Nova intention tho, I have no idea. The only thing that is problematic with your post is how late it is. I know this could be because of a thousand reasons but it does in fact make a difference. To me, most of thoose reasons could be broke down into; 1)You are a townie/blue and just havn't had the time to post. 2)You are scum and want to protect your scum-bro macheji, who I think got the most votes atm(although that seems quite unlikely to me as you set him up on your list of lurkers of people that you are fine with lynching). 3)You are scum, macheji is a townie/blue but you would rather kill Nova as you see him as a bigger threat. I think 1 is the most likely, but all should be considered. Atm I think the most interesting lynch would in fact be Nova. Not because he is confirmed scum in any way, but because of the possible information we could be given. If he flips town, we really need to think about Pure intention with his post. ## Unvote ## Vote Nova_Terra | ||
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And I never really made any huge claims on solohan, was just saying that he looked kinda scummy the way he lurked and added nothing at all. | ||
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On April 16 2012 21:30 Lorant wrote: That is exactly the kind of behavior that we wish to condemn. What kind of behavior? the way he lurks or the way I think it's suspicous he lurks? | ||
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I also have some extra stuff to say about oneplus. I may have been abit harsh on him at first, which I'm sorry about. However I still think his play is the most strange out of all players in this game. First we have two people, Pure and BlueyD, putting up some pressure votes on him. oneplus seems to be absolutly cool about this. When me and Nova both then says that nolynches are bad(fact which seems to be backed up by Greymist, so it at least wasn't taken out of the blue) he gets super mad and start to accusing us both of us with ZERO arguments but that we both pointed a FoS against him. Then he says: On April 16 2012 18:17 oneplus wrote:Your defending don't make sense at all. Now you are trying to say I am a bad town as I feel suspicious on you =p When I in fact never even claimed him to be a scum. It then becomes clear that he have already decided that both me and Nova are 100% scum no matter what we say. On April 16 2012 19:35 oneplus wrote: I got my point of view you cant shut my mouth up and force everyone to believe in you just because you are active? On April 16 2012 23:32 oneplus wrote: But this is a good move, if you both are scum after you lynch your scummate, you will earn 100% trust from the town. Basically saying that no matter what, he will still think both of us is scum. And still there are no arguments other that we said that we was accusing him of being mafia(which wasn't even true in my case). If that should be considered an argument that is. He then says: On April 16 2012 23:32 oneplus wrote:Pure and Daymore has bring out what I am trying to say but I didnt give enough evidence due to my english. Which is just flat out wrong. Yes Pure and Daymore posted a case against Nova, but they actually used some real arguments instead of saying that me and Nova is scum because we were suspicous of oneplus. About the english, I can understand you to 100% if you say you have a hard time expressing yourself. My english isn't exactly top notch, but who cares? People will in most cases understand you even if do some typos or failgrammar. I think your english is fine. Not one single time have I not understood what you were trying to say in your posts. So please don't blame grammar. Not only do I think that he is strange but I also think that peoples views on him are quite strange. This for example: On April 16 2012 19:21 FourFace wrote: If Nova is our leader then I would like to propose a mutiny to Pure-SC2, TheRavensName and Daymor and establish the council of 4 as our new form of leadership organization with BlueyD as a respected outside consultant Nova and Lazermonkey will be treated as outcasts for discouraging oneplus from posting and being generally to harsh on him by calling him the N word. We never discouraged him from posting, I have no idea why he says the. Not sure if it was his intent or not but He effectivly killed the oneplus discussion which could be explained by that they scumbros. He adds later on: On April 16 2012 21:16 Lorant wrote: As for oneplus, I felt like I should take him under my wing because English is evidently not his mother tongue. Nevertheless I expect him to try and make it easy for us to understand him, keep it simple. What I understood about his posts struck me as intelligent and insightful + Show Spoiler + On April 16 2012 18:34 oneplus wrote: I am not the one who say this. You are the one who said you and lazer accused me? I said you guys sound like a team. And yeah now you are protecting lazer. In what earth the most active player couldn't be scum? Well I could be wrong if you are town and the scum will be lurking around and clapping his hand to see 2 of us try to attack each others Which to me doesn't make any sence. He is basically protecting oneplus for no other reason that english isn't his mother tounge. Conclusion! I'm still not sure whether oneplus is just bad or scum. but imo both him and durant is acting really strange. So lynching oneplus would in one way or another give some info about Durant. ## unvote ## vote oneplus | ||
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