There is absolutely no reason why we shouldn't implement a voting system of sorts. Even if there are some issues with some people not cooperating, it will still produce useful information. Further, everyone should be forced to explain their reasons for pushing or pulling someone as it's quite likely there are also scum powers who need to PoP to use their ability and a free for all just allows hiding such actions.

There is one problem with the voting system, however, and that is the fact the lynch deadline is very late. I count at least 7 players who likely won't be able to online anywhere near the deadline on weekdays, so they would have to use their PoPs in advance.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

April 01 2012 09:41 GMT

#151

On April 01 2012 16:49 Bill Murray wrote:
I can move up to 3 spaces, and when I do, if anyone in the lines I'm moving are scum, I can't move. I moved on a line with VE (he's not scum), and had to go through snarf (he's not scum)

The position chart indicates you started next to snarf; can you verify that your power clears him too? This seems like a typical bm day 1 claim so there is little reason to doubt you other than the fact the power seems very strong.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

April 01 2012 14:58 GMT

#161

No, he says he can move UP TO 3 places and the starting position was

14.[VisceraEyes][___________]
13.[Snarfs] [Bill Murray]

and now

14.[VisceraEyes] [Bill Murray]
13.[Snarfs][___________]

Ace updates positions whenever PoP/actions are taken

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

April 01 2012 16:46 GMT

#174

On April 02 2012 00:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Syllo you're looking bad. I'm thinking about Popping you bro. What do you think about that?

Feel free, and in the process explain as to why you think so and why a "secondary" voting system is bad

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

April 01 2012 16:50 GMT

#175

The problem with free for all PoPing is that once someone throws down their vote, they can't get it back. If that is allowed, scum can throw away their vote while hasty townies can waste theirs. If we later reach a consensus on "lynching" someone, the votes may not be there and we'll gain less information as some people may have already used "their votes".

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

April 01 2012 16:57 GMT

#180

If someone refuses to participate, they have to explain why. Just having that discussion produces information and if in the end don't reach a consensus on using the system, then we can dismiss the idea. Just saying that it will fail on the other hand isn't useful

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

April 02 2012 05:21 GMT

#297

How is using a pull as a rolecheck wasteful? Pulls can generally only be used to "save" someone, which isn't particularly towny as especially early on that means using your power against the wishes of the majority. Furthermore, since then people have been pulling palmar towards the item quite "lightly"; are they too suspicious?

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

April 02 2012 05:27 GMT

#301

Bluelightz hasn't so far said anything that indicates to me that he isn't playing his normal game, besides possibly his x,y,z,a are town post, so I wouldn't kill him right now. You on the other hand haven't quite been playing your confident style and have been asking more questions than usual, so if I were to push someone right now it would be you.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

April 02 2012 05:55 GMT

#305

Why don't you first explain what in his play makes you think he isn't playing his usual town game? Just the "this post kind of looks coached" post? All I am seeing is the same kind of short posts he always makes and his tone doesn't seem any different than normal. A bit earlier you said you don't want to push bluelightz because you dont want to use your PoP yet, but now you are encouraging me to use mine; this doesn't seem like the confident town wbg but rather the more careful scum one.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

April 02 2012 06:49 GMT

#309

Also I'm reconsidering whether I believe BM's claim. He says he can move up to 3 spots and thus potentially day dt check 5 people. It seems like a way too powerful ability with huge variance. He also claims he had to "go through snarf", when in reality he started next to him, which seems like an inconsistency in the claim. Then he proceeds to claim that it's a one-time use ability, thus providing an explanation for the possibility that he won't get killed or roleblocked later on. I'm not sure what his motivation for moving is if he is scum, but I can imagine a number of possibilities for a role that, as he says, "latches on to" another player.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

April 02 2012 14:02 GMT

#341

Palmar not caring doesn't necessarily make him scum and I know he has been busy recently. I don't think he would reveal his power like this as scum and even if he were scum, his power basically makes him impossible to kill today anyway. However, we do have to know if he intends to use his power or not. I would prefer to kill wbg (for his tone) and bm (due to his role seeming very unlikely), but they are both around the center of the queue and there doesn't seem to be much support for lynching either.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

April 02 2012 14:09 GMT

#342

Palmar is your role ability anonymous or do you have to use it in the thread

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

April 02 2012 18:51 GMT

#409

I'll be around briefly, so I need to know if there is any support for BM or WBG lynch before I make my push. As I've noted earlier, it's highly unlikely that the game has a role that can potentially day dt confirm 5 players. If that red light is another dt role, that probability is further reduced.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

April 02 2012 19:01 GMT

#416

On April 03 2012 03:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Syllo, are you factoring in the capability for a well-manipulated town to be mass-murdered? It seems to me that in circumstances like that, having a higher DT count would help balance against that sort of manipulation.

But mafia only has one standard KP, so "confirming" several players at once on day 1 seems ridiculously powerful

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

April 02 2012 19:05 GMT

#421

On April 03 2012 04:02 VisceraEyes wrote:

Show nested quote +

Having one "standard" KP in a game like this itself is ridiculously powerful syllo, pull the other one.

Even if you are right about the possibility of utilizing the incinerator for "mass-murder", it still can't be used to deal with 5 confirmed townies on day 1.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

April 02 2012 19:07 GMT

#423

Oh risk claims the red light after all, so I will be pulling or pushing cephiro or sbrubbles

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

April 02 2012 19:10 GMT

#427

On April 03 2012 04:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
You're logic is based solely behind what's balanced for the scum team, you realize this right? Your view seems skewed toward considering the option that favors the scum-team.

The role isn't unreasonable at all, considering the claims that have already been made. What about risk.nuke, he has the capability to confirm a large amount of people too. So is his power to powerful to exist?

Your argument only strengthens mine, unless you think two such roles exist in the game. I'm more inclined to believe risk given that his role was in the previous game and ace's post basically confirms it.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

April 02 2012 19:18 GMT

#439

##push Bill murray

Rereading cephiro first before I decide on my pull. Sbrubbles hasn't even posted which could be him not wanting to play due to rolling scum, but I really dislike lynching someone based on no information at all, besides the supposed role information.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

April 02 2012 19:22 GMT

#446

Why is cephiro confirmed?

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