A Game of Thrones Mafia

On March 22 2012 01:57 Oberyn wrote:


I definitely agree with this. We shouldn't allow players to pretend to contribute by speculating on a role that has little impact on the events of the first few days. If wherebugsgo wants to coordinate with town to somehow mutually achieve our goals, then that's fine, but otherwise it is best to ignore him.



If you want to discuss policy, then why are you just giving a bunch of questions? You should share what your actual opinion is. A no-lynch should be out of the question as this person suggests:



We don't accomplish anything and obtain no information if everyone gets a free pass on day one. Lurkers should be pressured to post, but the day one lynch shouldn't only be focused on people without posts since it is also tough to generate information.



This is a sketchy post. What does "interesting" mean? Is it scummy? You should draw conclusions rather than tell us that you look forward to reading peoples posts.

On March 22 2012 04:29 Xatalos wrote:
Nicolas and layabout haven't posted anything yet either... Any others who haven't? To me, it seems suspicious to observe for a long time and then make the obligatory post near the deadline.

(They might just be offline too, though...)

On March 23 2012 05:34 SamuelLJackson wrote:

So how was the class? Any further updates?

What do the people voting for Oberyn think about that post he just made?

On March 22 2012 01:42 gumshoe wrote:


Why waste a hit? I find it hard to believe Scum are going to come forward like that and claim Baelish(it seems to crazy for even a player like Caller) so way I see it where is either a vanilla townie way down below in flea bottom dreaming of some day ruling the kingdom with an iron fist, or hes baelish and we waste a hit/reveal third party to scum.

Personally I think we should stay clear of trying to lynch Baelish, unless someone claims there him just before we kill him, in which case they fully deserve to die as we had already decided. If we lynch Where it should be because we think hes scum, not Baelish, do you really think Where is scum this early in the game?

On March 22 2012 01:50 gumshoe wrote:


Thank you Jackson ( : but keep in mind it is possible(though unlikely considering scums hate for flashy play early on) that Where is scum, we shouldnt just take his word for anything but I agree talking about Baelish is pointless and benefits scum the most. For now we can just ignore Where as if he was just a dumb poster.

moving on lets discuss policy(it'll only take a bit and we may as well get it over with early on) do we set a preliminary lynch deadline?(im leaning 8 hours in advance if we do) Do we policy lynch hardcore lurkers?(by hardcore I mean like 3 one liners a cycle, personally for this because lynching lurkers always helps clear the air a bit and they werent helping anyway so nothing really lost) are we going to elect a mayor?( I've never done this before so I dont know how that works)

On March 22 2012 02:14 gumshoe wrote:


Fair enough, the players are pretty good so it's probably not necessary, what do you think of Acrofales?

Also do we want to elect a mayor?

On March 22 2012 02:41 gumshoe wrote:


Wasn't aware, always thought mayors were just achieved through consensus. In regard to Acrofales I'm sure your well aware that my sympathies always go to first time townies who fuck up at the start, but his response was just pure ombus, which was similar to sloosh and ech in suprisingly normal mini mafia, yet the difference was in that game Sloosh and Ech kept fighting blow for blow because they knew they were townies, Acrofales just sort of clammed up. He's not fighting hard enough, which first time newbie townies tend to do way too much. I'm down for voting for him not because of his silly ombus, but because he backed down when pressured.

Acrofales

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Townies don't just calm down when their under pressure. He's either blue(which is unlikely considering his ombus) a total noob green(also unlikely because he just dropped his hostile tone when the pressure came down) or scum(the most probable)

Acrofales seeing as your lynch is getting to be pretty likely maybe you should role claim? It could help your case, also why did you vote for Mattchew in the first place?

On March 22 2012 03:48 Zealos wrote:
Ok, I misread Grey's intentions with his post about lynching WBG.

I understand the need to question someone who is trying to lynch, but he was only asking for a post from Acro about his constant forwards and back with his opinions.

If he wants to prove to be innocent (To the extent that is possible at this point in the game) then he should tell us what he makes of the game thusfar.

On March 22 2012 23:46 Zealos wrote:
I think it is good that you have made an argument against someone using substance, however, it is somewhat less poignient given the substance of his latest post. However, you have constructed a more useful post and formed an opinion, so although I am still a little susipcious, as you basically back down from your own argument, I will change my vote for the time being.

On March 23 2012 04:43 Zealos wrote:
@Alderan
I am in this game playing with the assumption that people believe that I am town. I'm not going to waste time to debate over this, as I'd rather spend my time on the thread trying to find real scum, and get them. If I'm not allowed to agree with people over who looks scummy, then you may as well not bother reading my posts as I am not afraid to agree with people when they make good points.

@Acro
Matthew is... Weird. He makes some perfectly valid points, but also seems to make some rather moot ones. Although looking at the filter, he makes a LOT of accusations, without having all that much reason. For instance






He seems to constantly switch targets, and it seems like he wants to stir up confusion. Although he almost seems too obvious in the way he does it, which could just be bad town.

Summary: I would certainly say suspicious, but not 100% mafia yet, but should no better targets appear, would be a reasonable day 1 lynch.

On March 21 2012 22:54 Acrofales wrote:
Okay seriously WTF. I know I'm new to this game, but voting me for that reason alone makes no sense. In fact, it seems quite a scum move to cast suspicion on people right at the start of the game.

Or am I going overboard and it's just a way of getting people to post at the start of the game? Either way, I'm watching you and risk.nuke. Voting off the bat seems fishy.

On March 22 2012 02:23 Acrofales wrote:


What you bolded was basically a follow-up to my question before the game started:


As for the rest, I've calmed down a bit, with later people talking about the random votes. It is my first game (ever) and I was hoping to live past the first day. People instavoting for me got me a bit upset. I am happy to unvote Matthew when a better candidate comes up, the ghost of High Heart is kinda cryptic when it comes to her prophecies It was more of a "if you vote for me, then I'll vote for you"-thing anyway.

That said, Matthew, why did you vote for me? Chaoser already had the random vote on me. The 2nd one was just mean. That vote has been the entire contribution to this game, with no explanation or text (except for a lololololol, which is even less useful).

On March 22 2012 05:34 Acrofales wrote:

Because I'm town. How about you?

On March 22 2012 06:21 Acrofales wrote:

I'm still trying to figure out what case that is. I have already said twice now why I overreacted at first. Although I am starting to think my reaction was the right one. You're clearly not adding anything: you choose to ignore the two posts I made in defense of my overreaction, and now mention some case against me. Post your case clearly and properly and I will respond to you, but at the moment you just seem to be trolling me.

On March 22 2012 23:39 Acrofales wrote:
Why we should lynch Mattchew:

First off, he starts building an alibi with a case made of air. I understand the pressure vote, but his follow-up was lackluster:

I understand that this is his character, but it is a very useless accusation. You assume I'm scum, therefore everybody who defends me must also be scum.

His main reason for calling me scum is:

The meta-comparison is a completely moot point, as had been pointed out by a number of people. So you were basically tunneling on me, and the reasons given are flimsy at best.

Secondly, his defense when other people start questioning his motives:
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He does not answer MrZentor's questions or doubts, but instead deflects them and builds a straw man argument about whether or not he voted. This deflection is successful, because the rest of the entire page of discussion is about whether or not he actually voted: he STILL has not answered MrZentor's questions.

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More deflection without actually giving his opinion (except that the Acro-Mattchew controversy is the only useful thing in the thread to that point, which I disagree with).

Third, and final point: he is really trying to use meta-arguments to make himself look good in the discussion between him and DoYouHas. This is basically just useless fluff which serves only as a meta-defense as "look, I'm not a screwup noob". Okay, lets say I buy that. That leaves you being scum as the only explanation for you building a case out of air and avoiding any other meaningful discussion.



Newest info: his last post is actually something of substance, but I'm suspicious of him anyway. It might just be him realizing his gambit is failing and posting something townie. Specifically his sudden change to me being town

On March 23 2012 03:47 Acrofales wrote:

Most useless "I'm saying I'm not, but secretly am still lurking"-post I have seen in this thread. I think you might be beating out Evantrees for king of the lurks. Remember that in the Game of Thrones kings tend to lose their heads.

On March 23 2012 05:58 Mattchew wrote:


I put scum slip in quotes because thats what others were calling it. I don't believe it was a scum slip so I put it in quotes.
This is COMPLETELY untrue. I NEVER said that 1 of you had to be scum, I simply stated that I don't think its possible both of you are scum, there is a HUGE difference.

I called lyter scum, a lot of people will call a lot of people scum, sometimes it means something, sometimes its just a half -hearted reaction.

I never used OMGUS, I just pointed out the fact that you are repeating the same things and being vague in doing so. and I have yet to get emotionally invested in a mafia game, just annoyed (at like every single one)

On March 23 2012 05:48 Mattchew wrote:

Sandroba I presume?

He called like 5 people town 5 people scum gave like 4 people "passes" and then called the rest "idk or null"

There was a little of his own opinions in there (his reads on ald and sinensis)

There are some things I heavily disagree with such as



All in all this post seemed genuine and honest. I would have liked him to actually take a stand and vote someone at then end but meh w/e

On March 21 2012 23:07 Oberyn wrote:


Lets trust this guy.

On March 22 2012 01:57 Oberyn wrote:


I definitely agree with this. We shouldn't allow players to pretend to contribute by speculating on a role that has little impact on the events of the first few days. If wherebugsgo wants to coordinate with town to somehow mutually achieve our goals, then that's fine, but otherwise it is best to ignore him.



If you want to discuss policy, then why are you just giving a bunch of questions? You should share what your actual opinion is. A no-lynch should be out of the question as this person suggests:



We don't accomplish anything and obtain no information if everyone gets a free pass on day one. Lurkers should be pressured to post, but the day one lynch shouldn't only be focused on people without posts since it is also tough to generate information.



This is a sketchy post. What does "interesting" mean? Is it scummy? You should draw conclusions rather than tell us that you look forward to reading peoples posts.

On March 22 2012 21:42 risk.nuke wrote:
Welcome gentlemen to tonights episode of Who Needs To Get Hit In The Face With a Broadsword. My name is nuke and I will be your host for the evening.

Untitled Reporter: Before we get to that, the day started of with a bunch of stupid stuff. Can you tell us a bit of what that was nuke?

nuke: Yes naturally, so yes the day started of with wherebugsgo instantly deciding to do some initial trolling. My cameraman Mr.Wiggles caught some of the first responses.
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The city was in chaos for a brief moment untill Acrofales rolled in and said.
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The quality play continues with GreYMisT wanting to lynch modconfirmed unlynchable third party. Which brings us to one of our main-candidates for the evening. Ladies and Gentlemen I present to you. ReDMisT.

After reciving a pressurevote at the start of the game GreYMist emerges. He doesn't say anything about the vote made against him which I don't actually hold against him too much, altough a "Go bugger yourself nuke" in response to my vote would had been nice. However he doesn't say anything else either to generate lynch-discussion. Instead he tries to lead the conversation onto third-party discussion.

If you look through his filter here. GreYMist Filter. His continued posts are pretty worthless. He makes a few points like informing how a Mayor system works, shoots down a role-claim. Denying freepasses and punching Mattchews poor logic in the face. Whilst these are alright posts and by that I mean not straight out useless or fluff they aren't doing much to help town either. They are just the kind of replies someone was going to post and GreYMisT posted first. So in terms of "helpfull discussion" aka "lynch discussion" GreY still sits on a pretty solid nothing.

First. No, I did not see any sarcasm in your lets lynch littlefinger post. This is what you wrote.

Tell me where is the sarcasm or how this clearly is a joke because I don't see it. Especially since the majority about that post is concerning what to do with littlefinger. GreYMisT dismiss it as sarcasm and a joke after the post BUT it wasn't sarcasm nor a joke. And that makes GreYMisT a L-I-A-R. Which is Scum in latin.

I absolutely love the second part of this post
If gumshoe is scum for jumping on the easiest lynch he can find, does the same go for you jumping on gumshoe?



My other candidate right now was gumshoe but the case on him has already been stated and I don't feel like beeing overly repetetive.

Winner: ReDMisT!
Close but keeps his head: gumshoe!

That's all for now, stay tuned!

On March 22 2012 01:35 SamuelLJackson wrote:

What part of MODCONFIRMED UNLYNCHABLE/UNKILLABLE do you not understand? Next person that discusses wbg or engages in any useless conversation with him get's my vote. Consider it like he is not even playing in this game.
/sandroba

On March 22 2012 12:05 SamuelLJackson wrote:

Gumshoe makes 3 retarded posts in a row, all of which seem genuine and if he was scum I'm pretty sure someone would have filled him in/raged at him, because that ought to rise suspicion from the jubjubs that think not having a clue=scum. Him and acro are the easy day 1 lynch bait that scum love to cast suspicion on.

On March 23 2012 05:33 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Fuck oberyn is prob town. We could lynch greymist for lols, but I'm not sure on him.
Or we could go for a random lurker from evantrees/lyter/risen.

But I have a better idea, let's lynch layabout for not giving a fuck and popping in to support my case on oberyn and sprouting a lot of bullshit in all of his posts. Filter laya and check it out. Maybe syllo will be kind enough to pop in and make a decent case. Meanwhile you can all trust me and just get laya lynched.

##Unvote
##vote layabout

On March 23 2012 04:19 Alderan wrote:
Just threw in a lip. Let's see if I can't make some sense of the drivel so far in this thread (not a knock on anyone, Day 1 always sucks.

@risk.nuke: Greymist is suspicious to me yes, but for nearly none of the reasons you provided. His comment on wherebugsgo was a joke, at least that's how I took it when I read it. I don't think it was some secret agenda to try to divert town discussion at all (which notably was the entire point of your huge post). I want to wait on Gumshoe to come back before I comment anymore on Greymist though.

@chaoser: No one is trying to give Gumshoe a pass, at least I haven't seen any, but we obviously need more discussion from him. He's been gone since the role claim thing, I'm just not too keen on busting out the pitch forks just yet.

@Zealos: Your contributions to the game thus far are as follows:
- Identify the 2 most common lynch targets.
- Place them into your lynch list.

Thats it. That is incredibly scummy. I shouldn't have to elaborate why.

@DYH: I'm never a fan of the idea that votes=pressure but I agree that Nicholas uses some pretty shotty logic. The coorlation between risk and Greymist is interesting, and something definitely to take not of, but like I said, I'll be commenting on Greymist more a bit later.


Some final thoughts:
- I think Mattchew was tunneling Acrofales to put on some pressure, but I think most can agree he's not as scummy as he once seemed.
- I know I was the one that brought up Oberyn's name first, but I'm not quite sold, again we need to wait for a response. I guess I have the luxury of being available in the hours running up to the deadline, but I urge everyone not to jump on the band wagon that quickly, use your head.
- As per usual, lurkers are killing us right now, we need to keep the conversation going (hence the nature and format of this post).