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NerdCRAFT
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States53 Posts
March 09 2012 23:19 GMT
#1
I have been consistently casting and posting my videos on Youtube for roughly 3 months now and I feel like it's not going as well as I thought it could have. I believe this for mainly myself being new to the casting scene, but I do also feel that the current scene makes it very hard for new casters to become know. The reason I think this is because the big time casters who have been around since beta such as Husky, HD, Tastless etc... are the casters that most people want to see. Of course there is nothing wrong with that and it is because of these guys that I started casting. It's just that because everyone is more willing watch a game casted by Husky and more reluctant to watch a game that was casted by somone they don't know.

I may just be frustradted and venting because I'm not patient enough. If that's just the case then I will have to be more patient of course, but I do want to create some oppurtunity for casters like myself so here's a list of new, up and coming casters.

SC2England very talented guy

HDPheonixx is a caster that does mainly SEA/KR games and is more known

I like the stuff this guy says makes the game very enertaining

and of course myself

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fAnTaCy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States893 Posts
March 09 2012 23:23 GMT
#2
Say something controversial...ez way to get publicity around here

On a more serious note, just advertise yourself. Cast high level games, show some knowledge. It really just does come down to advertising yourself, but it does take time coming from being unknown to being known, so just have some patience, show you're a good caster and advertise yourself and you'll be good =]
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zcxvbn
Profile Joined August 2009
United States257 Posts
March 09 2012 23:27 GMT
#3
This is a great point - I have a couple of friends who also want to get into the casting scene but are unsure of how to promote themselves, it'd be nice if someone deep in the community could let them know how they could get more exposure

Link to their channel here

There's definitely room for improvement but I'm sure they would appreciate any constructive criticism!
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supsun
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom343 Posts
March 09 2012 23:29 GMT
#4
be like day9
LaxCraft
Profile Joined February 2012
United States11 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 23:34:46
March 09 2012 23:31 GMT
#5
Be one of the casters who doesn't interject with a question every other sentence, please..

"Looks like X is moving out with bad positioning"
"Is Y going to to slaughter his army?"
"No no, X is pulling back with good game sense"
"Y is moving in for drop play, will this be scouted by X?"
"Will Y snipe the upgrades!?????"
"Is he going to do it?!????????????"
"??????????????????????????"

Please, don't be one of these. Be direct and concise, and I'll gladly follow anyone.

Edit: Also, use good intonation. I can't stand casters who don't know how to use their voice properly.
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
March 09 2012 23:36 GMT
#6
only youtube wont do it.
try to get to cast smaller weekly cups and tournaments and you will be
recognised a lot easier.
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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
March 09 2012 23:42 GMT
#7
I would say that there is quite a bit of luck involved, especially when going up the ladder of casting gigs. And of course, there is a lot of hard work and patience involved as you try to hone your casting skills while waiting for the next big opportunity to pass by.

Of course, there are the Day[9]s and the Tastelesses that have been known since the BW days of old. Husky and HDStarcraft still command large fanbases since the days of the Beta. Moletrap has been an old-school caster for tons of BW games.

But beyond that, there are quite a few casters nowadays that have become known far later than the casters from the BW and Beta days. Doa was lucky enough to land a gig at the GSL, and he did a good enough job with his silky-smooth voice to eventually transfer to a more convenient job at the IPL. CatsPajamas was quite a small-time caster and casted for quite a few lesser events before grabbing the attention of IPL and landing a job there. Orb (disregarding his recent drama) managed to land a job at the EG Lair after dedicating himself to casting quite a few iCCup SC2 events, which later became the ESV.tv events such as the Korean Weekly.

Overall, just try to find and apply to as many opportunities as you can if you really want to be known in the community. Each gig will look good on your resume, and keep casting games on Youtube to hone your skills. Eventually, hard work, talent, and luck might carry you to better places.
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Netsky
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1155 Posts
March 09 2012 23:43 GMT
#8
The biggest tip I would give casters is to actually play and learn the game. Most casters (including "professional" casters) have absolutely no idea what they are talking about and it most certainly sounds like it when they attempt to cast a game.
Jakkerr
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2549 Posts
March 09 2012 23:51 GMT
#9
Just having a youtube channel doesn't make you popular anymore.
There's a lot of youtubecasters nowadays.
As someone else said, try to contact some weekly cups if u can join their casting teams.
ROOTheognis
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States4482 Posts
March 09 2012 23:51 GMT
#10
Cast some of these weekly/daily tournaments. Youtube is OVERSATURATED with amateur casters. Don't go there D:
If you avoid your weakness, it will remain your weakness. www.twitter.com/#!/rootheognis Follow me!
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
March 09 2012 23:54 GMT
#11
If you really want to know, it's because you, and the other casters, aren't that good. If you can't recognize this then you have a lot more work ahead of you. Any information or insight is very basic, and the background information you give is the same. Who's your target audience? New players? That's probably the absolute worst target audience you can aim for. This isn't 2011, the game isn't growing in the same way, and most people who are interested in these videos probably aren't new to the scene.
TheRealNanMan
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1471 Posts
March 09 2012 23:56 GMT
#12
Hey Nerdcraft, I am also an up and coming caster (been casting since November 2010) And the best way that I have found to help get attention is casting other live events (Show Matches/Tournaments) TeamLiquid Opens/Local LANs things like that help bring new viewers your way.

You could also try sponsoring show matches. For my one year anniversary of casting I hosted a 5 day event with top NA pros http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=280311 Hosting events like this for money will allow you to be featured on the calendar as well.

Overall it is very difficult to get noticed but hard work does pay off, just look at some of the other casters in the scene.
Sc2 Caster | Host of Sc2 Up & Coming | The Godfather of Team LXG | Sc2 Historian | Youtube.com/NanMan | Twitch.tv/TheRealNanMan | Twitter.com/TheRealNanMan |
ImAbstracT
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
519 Posts
March 09 2012 23:58 GMT
#13
Easiest way these days to just use (perceived) racial slurs while playing/casting. Eventually someone who is overly sensitive on reddit will find it and give you all the publicity you want.

User was warned for this post
"I want you to take a moment, and reflect, on how much of a failure you are" - IdrA
Seraphone
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom1219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 00:08:03
March 09 2012 23:59 GMT
#14
I personally never ever watch youtube videos of Starcraft. Games like that are boring to me without the context of their tournament and if they're just ladder then that doesn't interest me at all.

I really doubt I'm the only person who feels this way.

So try casting some weekly cups or random tournaments etc..

I imagine a lot of people like me only watch Starcraft as either a tournament or sometimes a players stream and if anything we're probably the more hardcore audience.

Also for what it's worth I think you have a good voice for casting and you seem pretty confident and smooth on the mic.

Another thing is casting is always way better in pairs (not even guys like Artosis, Day9, DjWheat or any of the other big names cast amazingly solo) so imo it's worth finding a partner to buddy up with for your content. It did wonders for Apollo and TotalBiscuit seen as Apollo used to be a minor guy and TotalBiscuit has barely any haters (compartively) now that he never casts solo.

Another important factor is casters need to play a lot. The only casters who's below Masters which isn't immediately obvious as soon as you listen to them is DjWheat who has years upon years of experience. If you're better at the game you'll get better at casting.
Mvp, Nestea, Leenock, MC, Oz, Jjakji!
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
March 09 2012 23:59 GMT
#15
On March 10 2012 08:56 TheRealNanMan wrote:
Hey Nerdcraft, I am also an up and coming caster (been casting since November 2010) And the best way that I have found to help get attention is casting other live events (Show Matches/Tournaments) TeamLiquid Opens/Local LANs things like that help bring new viewers your way.

You could also try sponsoring show matches. For my one year anniversary of casting I hosted a 5 day event with top NA pros http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=280311 Hosting events like this for money will allow you to be featured on the calendar as well.

Overall it is very difficult to get noticed but hard work does pay off, just look at some of the other casters in the scene.


Just ask two known players to play a showmatch and then cast it!
Jaedong :3
SupplyBlockedTV
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Belgium313 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 00:01:46
March 10 2012 00:01 GMT
#16
Maybe not my place to say, but i know for example that clans like team firelight (eu clan tough :/) are looking for casters to cast their daily playhem tourneys and CWs. You can try to go into that direction to build up experience and a name.
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Recoil
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States276 Posts
March 10 2012 00:04 GMT
#17
Another option to gain recognition is to start a show that viewers find valuable to watch. If thats not an option casting any tourny thats looking is a good option.
Seraphone
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom1219 Posts
March 10 2012 00:04 GMT
#18
On March 10 2012 08:59 ReketSomething wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 08:56 TheRealNanMan wrote:
Hey Nerdcraft, I am also an up and coming caster (been casting since November 2010) And the best way that I have found to help get attention is casting other live events (Show Matches/Tournaments) TeamLiquid Opens/Local LANs things like that help bring new viewers your way.

You could also try sponsoring show matches. For my one year anniversary of casting I hosted a 5 day event with top NA pros http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=280311 Hosting events like this for money will allow you to be featured on the calendar as well.

Overall it is very difficult to get noticed but hard work does pay off, just look at some of the other casters in the scene.


Just ask two known players to play a showmatch and then cast it!


He should ask a Korean and a foreigner. That's generally the best combo for max viewers I think.
Mvp, Nestea, Leenock, MC, Oz, Jjakji!
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
March 10 2012 00:06 GMT
#19
I think there are a few major steps to getting "known":

Step 1: Stop watching replays before you cast them (should you cast from replays)
Step 2: Stop casting games from tournament replay packs (outside of practice)
Step 3: Practice your casting, eliminate all "umms" and lengthy pauses.
Step 4: Improve your observing, not only for yourself (making sure you don't miss any action), but for the viewers (try to keep it smooth and "cinematic")
Step 5: Reach out to smaller tournament organizers, approach them about co-casting some of their events, be eager (but not to the point of harassment). The most important thing is to start casting live games on stream.
Step 6: Make sure you can stream in High Definition (at least 720p). I can't stress how important this is; nobody wants to watch < 720p if it's not a major tournament.
Step 7: Expand your vocabulary. You need to be able to use different words and phrases interchangeably, otherwise your casts may seem repetitive and stale
Step 8: Be professional. If recent events have shown you ANYTHING, it's that you need to act like a professional caster, even if you aren't one yet. Furthermore, even if you're not a fan of some players (perhaps IdrA for example, he's very polarizing) try to be as equalizing as possible when discussing players.

There can only be so many Huskies out there who get famous from YouTube content, and frankly I think that era has come and gone. There are too many live tournaments, or live tournament VoDs to watch, the majority of StarCraft fans aren't searching YouTube for random games to watch anymore.

You also need to look at marketing yourself attractively; Orb got famous back in the beta because his stream was hilarious and he raged a lot. He then evolved into a fantastic and very professional caster, but his past marketing himself unattractively came back to get him unfortunately. Make yourself appear like a professional whenever you're on camera, hell, even better if you do it off camera.

You should also focus on expanding both your game knowledge and player knowledge. I can't even begin to explain how frustrated I get when I hear casters (that I employ sometimes mind you) say something like "I don't know who this is, but he's Korean and he plays Protoss for Slayers, we have Crank!" Also, keep up to date on recent major tournament results for the scene you're casting. For example, if you're casting Korean content, research the players you know will be playing, find out when they last qualified for GSL (if ever), Korean Weekly results, play in GSTL/KSL, EWM results. European scene you're going to want to know how they've done in the recent Weekly/Monthly cups. North America you'll want to check past MLG Open Brackets, IPL content, team leagues, qualifiers, etc. It's even better if you actually take the time to WATCH a lot of the games, it helps you keep notes on specific tendencies of certain players (ex: InCa and DTs). Keeping up with the metagame is also extremely important, knowing what players are doing in certain matchups, on certain maps, etc. You should be able to spot builds like a player would spot builds only you should be better because you see EVERYTHING. Watch the recent GSTL finals, look at what Artosis is able to predict just seeing Genius cancel is 4th gas after DRG saw it (I believe it was on Cloud Kingdom). Make sure you're aware of past matches players have played against that specific opponent, or that specific match-up. TLPD is an amazing tool to use for this, just remember to check both International and Korean databases in some cases (or always use the one more relevant to the content). For example, PuMa vs MC coming up in the IEM WC Hanover finals: Third finals meeting internationally between these two, PuMa holds 2-0 series wins over MC in the finals, yadda yadda.

I could go on for hours about this but I have errands to take care of, but I think these are some good places to start.
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bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
March 10 2012 00:09 GMT
#20
If you are totally serious about gettin known you could also host a tournament or ask some running tournaments if you can cast them.
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