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k2hd
Profile Joined February 2012
Cayman Islands78 Posts
February 25 2012 05:35 GMT
#70
Here's the account.

/in
k2hd
Profile Joined February 2012
Cayman Islands78 Posts
February 26 2012 04:29 GMT
#136
I think I'm gonna agree with a 2 round early deadline system as suggested by NightFury, with perhaps a longer period before the 2nd deadline (30-60 minutes seems quite short to me, but this is my very first mafia game so I don't know how often vote changes backed by solid reasoning can occur within this time). I just think that having only one early deadline would discourage first time townies from changing votes past the deadline if they have legitimate reasons, for fear of being lynched for not following these "rules".

As for when I'll be active, I'll be online on and off for about 7-8 hours from now. I'll be available tomorrow at around this time, give or take 1 or 2 hours. I'm in Australia (GMT + 11 currently), while the other part of our hydra is in California, but I don't think she'll be posting much (or at all) because she got a really hectic schedule this upcoming week. I'll have enough time to stay active by myself though

BassInSpace
k2hd
Profile Joined February 2012
Cayman Islands78 Posts
February 26 2012 04:38 GMT
#139
I agree with lynching lurkers. At the very least, we're getting rid of unhelpful town. How does 2-4 hours for a second deadline sound?
k2hd
Profile Joined February 2012
Cayman Islands78 Posts
February 26 2012 11:46 GMT
#161
Janaan, I agree that we shouldn't work the numbers like FourFace has done, however, I don't agree that a no-lynch is always detrimental towards town. If we follow a no no-lynch policy then anyone who is targeted for a lynch by another player may find other players bandwagoning just because they want to avoid a no-lynch. This does not give us any new information at this stage of the game. If the flip shows the target was town, looking at a voting list wouldn't help if everyone just bandwagoned against a player because of a no no-lynch policy. Mafia would just be able to hide among town votes. In this case, not only would we be down 2 town players (after the night Mafia hit), but we would also not gain any real information from the mislynch. We should be able to get more information after day 1 when there are more posts, and we can better assess players' actions, and hopefully make more informed decisions. Now I'm not saying that we shouldn't lynch on day 1 if there is a suitably suspicious target/lurker/scum slip, but we should be wary of implementing a no no-lynch policy.

Now FourFace, my partner recently had a change of schedule and it is unlikely that she will be able to post at all in the upcoming week, so I will be doing most, if not all of the posting. If she does post however, it will of course only be after we've had a discussion about our actions. Also, a dark archon is still a Protoss archon is it not? :p
k2hd
Profile Joined February 2012
Cayman Islands78 Posts
February 26 2012 11:50 GMT
#162
EBWOP

I suppose I should clarify that all posts so far on the k2hd hydra account have been by me; BassInSpace. I forgot to sign each post off with my account name, but will do so in future posts.
k2hd
Profile Joined February 2012
Cayman Islands78 Posts
February 26 2012 12:12 GMT
#164
Just fyi, this will be my last post for about 16-17 hours. I'm heading off to bed now, and then I have classes.

BassInSpace
k2hd
Profile Joined February 2012
Cayman Islands78 Posts
February 27 2012 05:29 GMT
#276
Just giving you guys a heads up. I'm back from classes, and have skimmed the posts made since my last post, but will be heading out very soon for a few hours. I'll catch up properly and post then.
k2hd
Profile Joined February 2012
Cayman Islands78 Posts
February 27 2012 05:29 GMT
#277
^ BassInSpace
k2hd
Profile Joined February 2012
Cayman Islands78 Posts
February 27 2012 12:08 GMT
#290
Right then. First off, FourFace. His posts sound like a town player who is very enthusiastic about playing things his way, and having fun with his writing style, hence the kooky posting, so I agree that we should take the heat off of him just for now...

As for chocolate and ghost, I must say I have my suspicions regarding them as well. I'm not going to quote too much because I think others have done enough of that already while I've been away.

Ghost seems VERY insistent on lynching. He's even against using FOS and wants to straight out lynch anyone he considers suspicious, as some have already pointed out. Then, when FourFace places a vote on jekyl just to "pressure" them, ghost posts this:

@fourface That's not how you apply pressure on someone to post. This is how you apply pressure on someone to post.


It doesn't really say much about WHY FourFace is doing it wrong, and conveniently places another vote on jekyl.

Then, FourFace presents himself as a better, and more possible target for a mislynch. Ghost accuses FourFace of scummy/crazy play, and it seems to me like he is out to get the easy mislynch again. Does he actually just think that FourFace is playing a very weird and seemingly nonsensical style? Maybe, but he has yet to unvote FourFace in the voting thread.

Now for chocolate. I don't have as much to go on for chocolate aside from what's already been said, but I think it's interesting that he is voting for FourFace with ghost as well, perhaps hoping to start some sort of bandwagon?

This part of his post:

I'm going to vote for you for the time being because that was really weird. If you sufficiently explain yourself and start to make sense I will unvote you.

Seems like a way of joining ghost in starting the bandwagon, while at the same time giving him the option of pulling out if the bandwagoning fails. I'm just not sure why you would actually put your vote into the voting thread at this stage, instead of just posting the thought and leaving it at that till FourFace actually DID post more so he could decide. To be fair to him though, he (seemingly) hasn't had the chance to read why posters such as alderaan and jekylandhyde don't think FourFace is scum yet. For now, I will remain suspicious of these 2 without voting yet, for reasons that will be explained below.

I'm also very curious though to know why everyone is ignoring igabod. Up until now, his contributions have been these 2 posts:

On February 27 2012 00:04 igabod wrote:
I just finished reading the thread. I agree with lynching someone day one. I also think that the fake voting deadline could work.


On February 27 2012 00:24 igabod wrote:
I will be available most of the time on Saturday and Sunday. I won't have much time on Tuesdays. I have about 3 hours when I can post on Tuesday.


All he has done is agree with what has been said so far (without even bothering to put it into his own words, or back his agreement up with his own logic), and since then we have heard nothing from him.

Now I should say that this will likely be my last post from now until the voting deadline (the real one) because I have to head off to bed soon for class tomorrow, and will be in uni when the deadline is up. I have pretty much no breaks tomorrow either in between classes. Because of this, I will vote for a no lynch for today only. Since I will be away for so long, I'd rather not vote for a lynch on someone who posts a proper defense when they wake up, or if a better target presents themself and I'm not available to change my vote.

Just to confirm, can I ACTUALLY vote for a no lynch, or does that only occur when there is no majority? I will actually probably come online tomorrow during a lecture just to check this post (and change my vote if I have to), wouldn't want to be modkilled for a stupid mistake like this

Just fyi, If I cannot vote for a no lynch, I will be voting for igabod no matter what, because I won't have time to go through posts properly in a lecture to consider what everyone has to say. It seems like a safe enough option for now because I am sure I will not get a majority on him anyway at this stage, so this vote shouldn't have an effect on tomorrow's lynch. I'll be able to post more as I have Wednesday and Thursday off (GMT +11).

##vote: no lynch

k2hd
Profile Joined February 2012
Cayman Islands78 Posts
February 27 2012 12:23 GMT
#291
Just to confirm, can I ACTUALLY vote for a no lynch, or does that only occur when there is no majority? I will actually probably come online tomorrow during a lecture just to check this post (and change my vote if I have to), wouldn't want to be modkilled for a stupid mistake like this


That was meant to be green... I fail at forum posting.
k2hd
Profile Joined February 2012
Cayman Islands78 Posts
February 27 2012 12:29 GMT
#292
Oh and uh, all posts still by BassInSpace so far, I keep forgetting to sign, sorry for spamming guys.
k2hd
Profile Joined February 2012
Cayman Islands78 Posts
February 28 2012 00:31 GMT
#389
Changing vote to igabod for reasons stated in my Previous post.
k2hd
Profile Joined February 2012
Cayman Islands78 Posts
February 28 2012 04:30 GMT
#484
Back from uni now, catching up on the posts made before and after my lynch post on igabod.
k2hd
Profile Joined February 2012
Cayman Islands78 Posts
February 28 2012 06:16 GMT
#486
Well I've read and am considering the posts, but I literally had 10 pages to catch up on, so you'll forgive me if I take a little while to come up with a decent post, which should be coming later (but before any of you are up I'm sure).
k2hd
Profile Joined February 2012
Cayman Islands78 Posts
February 28 2012 06:19 GMT
#487
Okay... Sniped by sloosh haha. Sloosh, I hope you don't mind that I take my time with this. I will be addressing your post as well of course when I post later, but I really don't want to rush out a half baked post now just to catch you while you're awake.
k2hd
Profile Joined February 2012
Cayman Islands78 Posts
February 28 2012 12:58 GMT
#493
Now for those who are starting to suspect me. Ghost_403, I have already explained why I've been inactive (or "hardcore lurking" as you put it). I'm in Melbourne, Australia, which puts me at my most active when you are all busy/asleep it seems (with the exception of the new additions I guess). When you are all active, I am either in class or asleep. It is as simple as that. I can't discuss lynch options with you when you're up, and I can't bounce ideas off others or discuss things when -I- am up, which is why I've pretty much just been making 1 significant post each irl 24 hours. Note that I was able to post multiple times before the game started because it was a Sunday for me, and I was home.

I am also going to repeat again that the other part of this hydra account is unable to play at all because of some stuff that has come up, so she cannot post for me. All posts up until now have been by me; BassInSpace, and I will be continuing to post by myself for the rest of the game.

Gumshoe, I know you asked me to change my vote from igabod, but as already stated above, I was not going to because I could not consider all the new posts that had been made. That 1 sentence post where I said I would change from voting no lynch (which I couldn't do) to igabod was made on my ipod in uni, where I had no time to check posts aside from the one post asking the hosts if it was possible to vote no lynch.

Alderan, I want to ask you now, do you think I'm still suspicious for "stacking" my vote on igabod to potentially save chocolate? I see that you yourself changed your vote away from chocolate, so I'd like to hear what your case is against me now. I already stated why I voted igabod. I had suspicions regarding chocolate and ghost like everyone else (was leaning more towards ghost in fact), but did not want to vote for either one in case they posted some convincing arguments while I was gone, and still have my vote on one of them because I wasn't around to change it. I was the first to bring igabod up, and voted for him because I didn't want to affect the outcome of today's lynch as I figured that sure, he was lurking, but was that by itself enough to convince others to vote for him? Turns out he did almost get lynched, but hey, I missed out on a LOT while I was gone. Not that it matters now anyway. Hi to the new entrants btw

Sloosh, I find your case against alderaan very interesting.

And just to add to what zelblade has said, here's this post by alderan:

+ Show Spoiler +
On February 28 2012 01:28 Alderan wrote:
Obviously we need to hear more from everyone, but here is who I'm specifically looking forward to:

- Igabod
- Chocolate
- Janaan (In that, I would like to hear who you want to vote for)
- Ghost_403
- Steveling

I still like Chocolate as the lynch candidate for today, but I'm going to hold out as I wait for a response.

Also I have more reads on Ghost, but again, I'd rather wait for him to respond so as not to jump the gun with divulging information.

A note on Steveling. Last game he played a very "I'm a noob town don't lynch me" game as stated in one of his first posts in the scum qt. He obviously can't do this again if he's scum, because he knows I'm town, and I'll call it out. After playing a game with him it seems like he is a person who would use a shtick as scum. Steveling I'm telling you now, if a lurker scum is your thing, I'll find you.



He wanted to hear about what those 4 had to say, but janaan is exempt from explaining himself, he just has to tell him who he's voting for. He has now stated that janaan makes him suspicious (in alderan's post regarding those among igabod's voters who he found suspicious), so we will have to see how convincing a case he posts for janaan, or if he is going to post a weak case and let someone else tear it down because it is not concrete enough, thus absolving janaan of any guilt. I say all this because I have also started to get suspicious of janaan. However, I don't think I have enough yet to be any more than moderately suspicious of either at this point (would alderan really shove himself into the spotlight this much if he were mafia? It must be awfully hard to keep from any slips this way... But I'm new to mafia, so who knows). I would like to hear from both of them first before going further with this. I'd also just like to sleep on this too, I've spent hours looking at everyone's filters, having over 10 tabs open and trying to find what I want in each of those tabs. Also, I obviously want to see what the night brings along.

I'd also like to read more from jekylandhyde, who hasn't really taken a firm stance on anyone. So far he's put what he called a "placeholder vote" on Chocolate, which he changed to another placeholder vote on DoYouHas. He didn't REALLY want to vote chocolate, he didn't REALLY want to vote DoYouHas, and he didn't want to vote igabod because replacements were coming in, so that he could pressure them. This is while he has had access to the thread more than me. It seems like he may be stalling if you ask me.

I dislike the fact that so many decided to switch to igabod and eventually a no-lynch. I agree with sloosh that igabod can be considered the "easy way out", and I find it surprising that you guys actually think that he has a higher chance of flipping scum as opposed to choclate or ghost. He has posted nothing, and I dont see how you guys see that he is auto-scum. It is much more probable that he had some IRL issues or lost interest in the game, which says zlich about his alignment.


zelblade, I voted igabod with plenty of time to go before the deadline, so he still had a chance to post after I voted.
k2hd
Profile Joined February 2012
Cayman Islands78 Posts
February 28 2012 13:04 GMT
#494
Also, I should be able to post more in the 2 upcoming days, because I don't have uni.

Again, all posts on k2hd account by BassInSpace.
k2hd
Profile Joined February 2012
Cayman Islands78 Posts
February 28 2012 13:10 GMT
#495
Phagga, I think ghost says he'll take responsibility because he was the first to FOS ghost I believe. As to why he didn't unvote ghost... Well that's quite interesting too, let's see what he has to say.
k2hd
Profile Joined February 2012
Cayman Islands78 Posts
February 28 2012 13:11 GMT
#496
EBWOP

Yeah gumshoe says he'll take responsibility... Sorry for the typo.
k2hd
Profile Joined February 2012
Cayman Islands78 Posts
February 28 2012 13:58 GMT
#498
Oh I did misread, sorry.
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