• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 21:50
CET 03:50
KST 11:50
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3
Community News
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship4[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage3Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly2Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win92025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!10
StarCraft 2
General
Giải Mã Thế Giới Kèo Bóng Đá RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" Starcraft, SC2, HoTS, WC3, returning to Blizzcon! Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win 5.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8)
Tourneys
Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) $3,500 WardiTV Korean Royale S4 WardiTV Mondays
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace
Brood War
General
SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review [BSL21] RO32 Group Stage BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Practice Partners (Official) [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions
Tourneys
BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION [ASL20] Grand Finals Small VOD Thread 2.0 The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Current Meta How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Dating: How's your luck? Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Why we need SC3
Hildegard
Career Paths and Skills for …
TrAiDoS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1600 users

Newbie Mini Mafia IV

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Alderan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
February 25 2012 01:49 GMT
#30
/in

Will be my last newbie game possible. Was hoping to try out some different game types but it looks like those have all already started.

If there's a new player that really wants in, I will switch with them, otherwise I'm excited to play.
Alderan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
February 25 2012 02:39 GMT
#43
My predictions of how this game is going to go.

metametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametameta
Alderan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
February 25 2012 02:54 GMT
#49
No I mean we all JUST played a game with each other for the most part, so we're going to be especially quick to point out the differences in play, whether it means anything or not...
Alderan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
February 25 2012 07:01 GMT
#71
On February 25 2012 12:22 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 12:04 dreamflower wrote:
On February 25 2012 11:39 Alderan wrote:
My predictions of how this game is going to go.

metametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametametameta


Ha.

Seriously, if you guys make a post like this during the game (that is, posts containing "metametametametameta" or "busbusbusbusbus," I will modkill you so hard that...well, you're going to get modkilled pretty hard.

Yo momma?

(Well, for the first time, you'll probably just get a very stern warning in the thread. Really, please don't post like that. Good posts make for a good game...or at least a game where no one walks away angry.)


I gotta say, the hosts are quickly becoming my favourite part of this game, I am almost sure that grey mist made a strong effort to bring in night fury just to make sure I had no chance of getting hawk lynched.


This is my last "old game" post but I feel like it would be appreciated.... The replacement had to come in either way, because like you had already deduced if he was town you needed him to get a successful lynch, if he was scum we needed him to win.
Alderan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
February 25 2012 18:51 GMT
#88
God I hope I'm town.
Alderan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
February 26 2012 16:21 GMT
#172
Hello people.

Feels good to be town.

As for my availability, I'm just a pretty sketchy dude (by that I mean I'm just really busy with a bunch of weird things). I'm going to try to post much more than I have in the past though,

As for where I stand on a no lynch the first day:

When I play mafia I HATE defining anything in absolutes, for example "we should NEVER no lynch", "X player is definitely town" etc.

In my mind there are very real reasons we would want to no-lynch Day 1, namely, if there is a DEFINITIVE lack of reasonable cases at the end of the voting period, which we will have to determine. Also a Day 1 early vote deadline for me serves little to no purpose. I'd bet someone a dollar that by that time there will be someone who still has not posted yet, and there will be 2-4 people with only one introductory post.

I like seeing everyone's reads with time to think about it just as much as the next guy, but when the reads are based off so little there is only so good they can possibly be...




Alderan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
February 26 2012 16:24 GMT
#173
You'll note that this is similar to what I said at the beginning of last game. I would guess that more of the things I said last game were pro-town rather than anti-town.

This is one of them.
Alderan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
February 26 2012 16:30 GMT
#174
On February 27 2012 00:04 igabod wrote:
I just finished reading the thread. I agree with lynching someone day one. I also think that the fake voting deadline could work.


This is the type of post you're going to want to avoid.
Alderan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
February 26 2012 16:59 GMT
#176
On February 27 2012 01:52 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 01:30 Alderan wrote:
On February 27 2012 00:04 igabod wrote:
I just finished reading the thread. I agree with lynching someone day one. I also think that the fake voting deadline could work.


This is the type of post you're going to want to avoid.


Glad to have you on our side Alderaan ( : as for absolutes do you mind making decisions like that on a day to day basis?


What do you mean?
Alderan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
February 26 2012 17:45 GMT
#178
On February 27 2012 02:32 ghost_403 wrote:
@alderan I really don't see any time where it would be advantageous to the town to not lynch. The town should first be lynching scum. If we can't find scum, we should instead lynch people who are not useful to the town. Lurkers fit the second criteria perfectly. By lurking, you are providing cover for the scum to hide, which is in every case bad for the town.


I mean, look, I get it, if there's a hardcore lurker then we should lynch them, I'm fine with that. If there's not, and there are no adequate cases on who is scum I don't think it's worth it.

Disclaimer: It is much more likely that we have an adequate lynch target than we don't. My point is that we don't rule the possibility out.
Alderan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
February 26 2012 19:33 GMT
#179
Alderan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
February 27 2012 00:46 GMT
#239
fourface = gumshoe last game (different approach, similar results).

Fourface I'm going to tell you the same advice someone told gumshoe last game.

- Chill out
- Keep your posts CONCISE
- Only post when you're going to contribute
- Chill out

Alderan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
February 27 2012 01:33 GMT
#241
Not sure if town yet, but I mean his outrageous over the top approach with some scheme to spark discussion and he eventually ends up lying about his intentions...

Who does that sound like?

To early to call him obv town. We shall see.
Alderan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
February 27 2012 03:22 GMT
#248
Note: this didn't start as a PBPA but it ended that way because literally everything he has done is scummy.

Chocolate is super scummy to me right now.

Says things like "our vote will probably end up being a lurker"... Who says this? Even if it is the case you're giving mafia free reign to post a couple BS posts and get out of the thread.

He later goes on to say
I'll give them until ~6 EST to post but if they still haven't by them we should vote one.

Pretty adamanent about this lurker idea, right?

Wrong.
NOT 3 POSTS LATER he's off his lurker train now, and onto the easiest target, namely, Fourface.

Fourface, for reasons stated above is very likely not scum, but I could see Chocolate's beady little eyes now getting as wide as an anime characters in joy when he saw that Fourface made one of the most "interesting" (as to avoid getting in trouble) posts I've ever seen.



Oh and this:

We should probably spread out our votes, don't need two people on one lurker yet imo


I don't get this either. Why would you split your votes up? If it's for pressure here is a newsflash:
Votes DO NOT = Pressure

Pressure is cases, pressure is discussion, a one liner and vote in the vote thread doesn't cut it. Period.




Then there's:
That sounds like a good idea. I really can't see any problems with that tbh, and it works well for me because in the event of a massive vote swing I probably won't be online to provide input.


Steve, how often did we sit around IRC last game and joke about the thread in the hour running up to the vote? Spoiler: It was every time.

Scum are going to stay absent at the end of the day unless they need to affect the vote. Chocolate has conveniently positioned himself out of that responsibility but left the opportunity open that he might be there. Just priming his defense in case he needs it.
Alderan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
February 27 2012 03:50 GMT
#249
Also, if this reasoning stands I think Ghost is scum as well.

Here's how I see this vote on Jeckyll going:

- Ghost puts his vote on Jeckyll, cause you know they're pressuring lurkers and all.
- Chocolate also puts his vote on Jeckyll, cause you know they're pressuring lurkers and all.
- Ghost gets pissed in the scum qt by saying "dude back up off me, we don't need to get too associated with each other"
- Chocolate is like "shit, how can I back out of this? Oh I got it! I'll say we need to diversify our pressure portfolio!!!!!11!!"
- Chocolate votes on another random lurker.
- Alderan figures it out.
Alderan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
February 27 2012 04:16 GMT
#253
On February 27 2012 13:08 slOosh wrote:
Oop - missed Alderan's post while building my case. Looking over and will post thoughts soon.


I'm going to wait for him to respond to make a comment on your case.

I've got a hunch.
Alderan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
February 27 2012 04:57 GMT
#264
On February 27 2012 13:52 FourFace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 13:34 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2012 13:32 FourFace wrote:
On February 27 2012 11:37 DoYouHas wrote:
I'm so glad you are in this game Hyde :D,

You are absolutely right. There is a reason my case ended with a FOS instead of a vote. I had 3 things in mind when I made my case.

1. FF's early posting was either bad townie or scummy. I wanted to draw FF out and get a response from him in hopes of figuring out if he leans town or scum. My case wasn't conclusive on him as scum, but it was strong enough to warrant a response.

2. I wanted to move past the point of talking about policy and start getting into the real discussion. The best way of doing this is to give the town a solid piece of analysis to start playing with.

3. I wanted to gauge the responses of others to my case. (You kind of blew this for me when you posted, but that's ok.)

After his response I am leaning town for FF. Why? Because of the timestamps.

FF posted his fairly long response to me 66 minutes after I posted my case against him. If you look at his pre-game posts, FF was brand new and fairly oblivious to previous games (mentioning that he did not know the abbreviations and such). That tells me that it is VERY unlikely that he is playing off gumshoe's meta from last game for 2 reasons. I find it hard to believe that FF could have read my case, gone to a scumQT, asked for help, received it in the form of "play off gumshoe's meta", written up his post, and have it checked by that scumQT, and posted it in 66 minutes. It's possible, but super unlikely. That leaves me with the option that he read SNMM7 after this game started and decided on his own to play off gumshoe's meta, also super unlikely. So, to me, the craziness of his response is geniune. Which makes me lean town for him. For now.



3. No, that's not quite it. You are way to meticulous about the whole thing, I didn't ask for any help and gumshoe was one of the people I didn't read in on, but the rest is pretty true so if the 'he's playing off gumshoe's meta' part is helping you have the right impression of me just go with that

1 & 2: I really appreciate that we are starting to point fingers. I give you a pat on the back for the effort of breaking the trivial chit-chat


sigh four face what do you think of your accusers? And try not bash them in a way that could hurt their persona if they are actually town.


I think DoYouHas is trying to look blue, but last game (i think.. where he won ezpz with mafia gg-ing) both him and slOosh did a way better job.

I'm wondering if DoYouHas is in fact scum.. how in the world will we be able to lynch him. He's got too much cred from last game (he's basically shoving it up our nose judging by the pregame posts) and now everyone including me thinks he does a good job as town.

I don't quite know what to make out of all the 'FourFace stop being insane!' 'Make sense please!' 'OMFGUS your posts are a pain to read' type of posts. I can't say their scummy but people should stop condescending and start acting protown if they claim to go by the book.



What game would you be referring to?
Alderan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
February 27 2012 05:06 GMT
#271
On February 27 2012 13:59 Janaan wrote:
One thing that stands out most to me about Ghost's posting is this gem right here
Show nested quote +
Another way to look at that is if you are still left during day 3 after 2 mislynches. There are 6 townies and 4 scum. The scum are either (1) forced to work together to stay alive, and are pretty easy to spot or (2) are going to sacrifice one of their own. Unless something goes horribly, horribly wrong, the worst case scenario for day 4 is 5 townies to 3 scum. No problem.


He seems to think that it's perfectly fine for us to go 3 days without lynching a mafia, which would put us in a MYLO situation. Not exactly what I'd call a pro-town position to be in. His justification for saying this is pretty weak I think.
1. If the game gets to this point, scum obviously haven't been easy to spot, and it doesn't really get much easier. Sure, the "odds" might be more in your favor, but if you're in this situation, scum probably are pretty good at hiding in plain sight.
2. Yeah, scum might sacrifice one of their own. But 5 town/ 3 scum is still MYLO. I don't see how a townie could say that this is "no problem".



Janaan, talk to me about Chocolate.
Alderan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
February 27 2012 06:09 GMT
#283
On February 27 2012 15:00 FourFace wrote:
"I'm not gonna just make a giant fluff post if that's what you want."

Silly question, the he would have figured it out by himself though.. I think it's a scum post icebraker, someone asks a silly question and the answer is give. Like saying look at me I'm active

Hey what's your opinion on whatever. Same thing as the first

players lurking is an issue .. WOW i didn't see that one coming. What a revolutionary point of view

believe it or not .. people are going to check your posts to see when you were active (if it really comes down to that) and the way you said it .. well maybe then but wait it might be then and then and then till then. I personally don't care

then asking for an opinio again.

Who exactly are you condescending here. It seems like you're just talking to youself.. I'm the crazy one here you can't have that it's taken

On and off about statistics etc.
"So please do I'm not gonna just make a giant fluff post if that's what you want" Yeah I want you to post fluff THIS TIME lol + Show Spoiler +
reverse psychology


This is a really bad way to make a case.... At least make a header stating who you're investigating.

Come on man.....
Alderan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
February 27 2012 06:17 GMT
#285
On February 27 2012 15:10 FourFace wrote:
omg just go with it.


Because I think you might be town I'm trying to help you set up your post so you will be taken seriously and given even an ounce of attention.

As it stands now you are just being a nuisance. This is coming from someone who finds Janaan suspicions.
1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
23:00
OSC Elite Rising Star #17
CranKy Ducklings125
Liquipedia
LAN Event
18:00
Merivale 8: Swiss Groups Day 2
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 145
Nathanias 98
CosmosSc2 62
Vindicta 17
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 14311
Sea 1598
Artosis 688
NaDa 62
Noble 55
Icarus 3
Dota 2
monkeys_forever270
NeuroSwarm59
LuMiX1
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox1104
AZ_Axe77
Other Games
tarik_tv6711
summit1g2778
JimRising 574
shahzam526
Day[9].tv507
WinterStarcraft331
Maynarde121
C9.Mang0114
ViBE58
fpsfer 1
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick883
BasetradeTV149
Counter-Strike
PGL147
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 65
• davetesta13
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki9
• HerbMon 8
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota2406
League of Legends
• Stunt266
Other Games
• Scarra855
• Day9tv507
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
7h 10m
LAN Event
12h 10m
OSC
19h 10m
Replay Cast
20h 10m
OSC
1d 9h
LAN Event
1d 12h
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
LAN Event
2 days
[ Show More ]
IPSL
2 days
dxtr13 vs OldBoy
Napoleon vs Doodle
BSL 21
2 days
Gosudark vs Kyrie
Gypsy vs Sterling
UltrA vs Radley
Dandy vs Ptak
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
LAN Event
3 days
IPSL
3 days
JDConan vs WIZARD
WolFix vs Cross
BSL 21
3 days
spx vs rasowy
HBO vs KameZerg
Cross vs Razz
dxtr13 vs ZZZero
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 21 Points
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025

Upcoming

BSL Season 21
SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.