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Noyz
Profile Joined January 2012
United States17 Posts
February 23 2012 19:41 GMT
#1
i've been transitioning from bw to sc2 for about a year now i tried it but i got into bronze. i know i can do realy well i i have been im just stuck on not knowing what to do. it makes me mad that in BW as a Zerg it was harder than now and im in bronze i useually win but ive been looseing to all in and to 4gate 2 rax starts
i need help NoyZ 304
video's wil be up in a hr
"you can take a n00b to water, but you cant make him drink"
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 19:43:48
February 23 2012 19:43 GMT
#2
will be closed without rep
Noyz
Profile Joined January 2012
United States17 Posts
February 23 2012 19:44 GMT
#3
rep?
"you can take a n00b to water, but you cant make him drink"
likwidstylez
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada14 Posts
February 23 2012 19:47 GMT
#4
Replay - Upload your latest to any site and link to it... It's standard in any "Help me" posts...
Noyz
Profile Joined January 2012
United States17 Posts
February 23 2012 19:50 GMT
#5
oh sorry new to it =|
"you can take a n00b to water, but you cant make him drink"
Josh_rakoons
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom1158 Posts
February 23 2012 19:50 GMT
#6
Build workers, build production, build tech, build army, a-move, win. That'll last you to masters.
OriginalBeast
Profile Joined September 2010
United States709 Posts
February 23 2012 19:50 GMT
#7
The most help I can offer is that bronze players get stuck in a mindset and don't change it like "I don't think it's worth getting stim because it hurts my units" so they never get stim, when stim is good.
More gg, more skill.
Noyz
Profile Joined January 2012
United States17 Posts
February 23 2012 19:52 GMT
#8
im Zerg, not Ter =D
"you can take a n00b to water, but you cant make him drink"
Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
February 23 2012 20:08 GMT
#9
"Videos will be up in a hr"

Hurry it up or this thread will be closed veeeery soon :/
Noyz
Profile Joined January 2012
United States17 Posts
February 23 2012 20:09 GMT
#10
at school for another 50 so 1hr exactly haha!
"you can take a n00b to water, but you cant make him drink"
DemonDeacon
Profile Joined February 2012
United States158 Posts
February 23 2012 20:18 GMT
#11
step 1:
memorize all hotkeys for zerg

step 2:
read the liquipedia page on zerg: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Zerg_Strategy

step 3:
pick 1 build order for each match-up from liquipedia (zvz, zvt, zvp) and only do that 1 build every game
gg
Noyz
Profile Joined January 2012
United States17 Posts
February 23 2012 20:23 GMT
#12
I'm Bronze and i know that that wont work every game its better to react to your enemy and builld off of unit's you see when you send a ling up and scout with your over seer/ over loard
"you can take a n00b to water, but you cant make him drink"
Kui
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom88 Posts
February 23 2012 20:30 GMT
#13
Actually in such a low league, you and your opponent will make countless mechanics/macro mistakes that if you do just 14/14 21 hatch in to roach you will win every game until high gold/plat. Speaking from experience, here.
"I told you I was ill." -Written on Spike Milligan's Gravestone.
Noyz
Profile Joined January 2012
United States17 Posts
February 23 2012 20:32 GMT
#14
i see, thanks so at gold/plat you are more likely to change your style due to how your enemy plays?
"you can take a n00b to water, but you cant make him drink"
TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
February 23 2012 20:45 GMT
#15
I think the point is simply that macro and mechanics are much much more important until you get to high levels of play.
Sure, you may have a few build order losses here and there, especially in ZvZ, but macro is the most important part.

A speedling expand and proper scouting should be enough to stop most cheesy early aggression like 2rax and 4gate in the bronze league. Honestly I lol when my opponent 2rax me or 4gate me because its an easy win if you know when they are going to attack you... If you dont feel safe make a spine crawler and scout
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Noyz
Profile Joined January 2012
United States17 Posts
February 23 2012 20:47 GMT
#16
thank you, this helps alot
"you can take a n00b to water, but you cant make him drink"
Parodoxx
Profile Joined May 2010
United States549 Posts
February 23 2012 20:50 GMT
#17
On February 24 2012 05:18 DemonDeacon wrote:
step 1:
memorize all hotkeys for zerg

step 2:
read the liquipedia page on zerg: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Zerg_Strategy

step 3:
pick 1 build order for each match-up from liquipedia (zvz, zvt, zvp) and only do that 1 build every game

This is the best bet for a player in your position. find 3 builds that are safe for each match up and try to do them as best as possible. I would suggest
14/14 zvp helps to deal with 2 gate prox and helps a lot with 4 gate
14/14 Zvt easy to hold 2 rax with this open as well as reaper builds (make 8 lings quickly to hold 2 rax 2-4 if you know its not 2 rax)
zvz has a lot of options but I feel 14/14 might make it hard to defend 6 pool/7pool at that low of a level. a 10 pool build or a 12/12 should hold you just fine against zerg cheese. (low level zvz tip, it takes 2 banes to kill 1 bane or as many are in his group so if you see 5 bunched up banes coming at you send 2 of your own at the center most baneling.)

As a side note these are not the best opens for these matches but are very viable in masters and really helps to hold cheese, once you hit silver and the all-in slow down you might reconsider some of these opens.
best of luck and macro hard.
DemonDeacon
Profile Joined February 2012
United States158 Posts
February 23 2012 20:51 GMT
#18
in a league like bronze it doesn't matter nearly as much what your opponent does as what you do, you will never learn how to play properly if you don't get your early game macro/mechanics down. plus the liquipedia builds show you exactly what units/buildings you need to make and at exactly what time. they add the most value to your mid-game/late-game. if you try to create a build by yourself it's likely not going to be optimal. once you have learned the early-game timings then you can start to branch out and try to use extra apm on scouting your opponent

also, i don't know if this applies to you but typically bronze players dont have the mechanics or the game knowledge to properly counter what the other player is doing anyways. in bronze its more about playing vs yourself (not making any mistakes and improving your mechanics) rather than playing your opponent
gg
DemonDeacon
Profile Joined February 2012
United States158 Posts
February 23 2012 20:53 GMT
#19
p.s. those replays will really help us in pinpointing if there are big holes in your general gameplay (i had a gold friend who played zerg and didn't know what an inject was)
gg
Teoman
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Norway382 Posts
February 23 2012 20:59 GMT
#20
On February 24 2012 04:50 OriginalBeast wrote:
The most help I can offer is that bronze players get stuck in a mindset and don't change it like "I don't think it's worth getting stim because it hurts my units" so they never get stim, when stim is good.


Thats actually very true and good tip.

Remember when i was young and spells like consume and stim were horrible. Cant hurt your own units you know.

But the general mindset should really be hard bolted in. When you know you are not good at a game, always be open to new things, and just experiment with what higher level people say. Never get into mindsets like the above post said :D

And of course "generic macro more comment".
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