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Hello everyone,
I notice after major events that casters tend to put up feedback threads to help them improve. With the Korean Weekly coming to a close for 2011 now I would like to do the same, but for the tournament itself.
I would love what feedback you have, what you liked, didn't like, or even what you would like to see in 2012.
I'm not going to put a whole lot here as I want people to not feel restricted. However there is two main points I really wanted some input in, both of which will only apply to current viewers of the weekly.
1: Would you prefer a totally open tournament with more players but a less consistent skill level or do you prefer the restricted events that have less players but a higher average skill level? I am looking if I should make the Weekly 100% open in 2012 or keep it smaller but with all top up and coming players.
2: How did you like the new tournament coverage style where we covered "sections" of the brackets? Did you feel like you got to follow the tournament better or was it just confusing and made everything last too long?
Seriously however, I would like any and all feedback. However let's leave CoCa/Byun out as that is done and is pointless to debate for this thread.
Thank you everyone for the support in 2011, and I hope this tournament continues to grow in 2012 (already got a few things I am working on)!
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I love you guys. That is all <3
Will edit with more content when I have time.
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1) prefer the restricted player list (little iffy on having Code S and Code A guys in the same bracket as Code B guys but i guess it works and if it ain't broke, why fix it?).
2) its much better.
i would like to see a different caster every now and then, but its not mandatory (nor is it a diss to Orb, just variety makes things nicer)
keep it up bud
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When I do tune in I enjoy it
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I didn't like how in the last weekly you just had t>z z>p p>t or whatever for the map slides instead of showing the actual records, thats basically my only complaint
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On December 15 2011 07:07 Antoine wrote:
I didn't like how in the last weekly you just had t>z z>p p>t or whatever for the map slides instead of showing the actual records, thats basically my only complaint
The issue we ran into (and why we did it) is because people were nto looking at sample size and just having kneejerk reactions to the numbers. For example Ithaca had a sample size of 20 games I think and PvZ was at 81% (with a sample size of 5 games or so) and all people saw was that 81% followed by "OMFG THIS MAP IS IMBA YOU ALL FUCKING SUCK!!!!"
It became a situation where too much info became bad, but I will keep this in mind and I'll try and figure out a better way to still show stats.
Thanks!
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On December 15 2011 07:09 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:07 Antoine wrote:
I didn't like how in the last weekly you just had t>z z>p p>t or whatever for the map slides instead of showing the actual records, thats basically my only complaint The issue we ran into (and why we did it) is because people were nto looking at sample size and just having kneejerk reactions to the numbers. For example Ithaca had a sample size of 20 games I think and PvZ was at 81% (with a sample size of 5 games or so) and all people saw was that 81% followed by "OMFG THIS MAP IS IMBA YOU ALL FUCKING SUCK!!!!" It became a situation where too much info became bad, but I will keep this in mind and I'll try and figure out a better way to still show stats. Thanks!
You could do a mix of arrows and %.
% where the sample size is large enough, and < > where sample size is too small to be representative.
And/or include actual numbers.
Also, any consideration for a European restream? I know it's possible to watch vods, but it feels less engaging that way  (maybe it's just me).
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On December 15 2011 07:31 Lonyo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:09 Diamond wrote:On December 15 2011 07:07 Antoine wrote:
I didn't like how in the last weekly you just had t>z z>p p>t or whatever for the map slides instead of showing the actual records, thats basically my only complaint The issue we ran into (and why we did it) is because people were nto looking at sample size and just having kneejerk reactions to the numbers. For example Ithaca had a sample size of 20 games I think and PvZ was at 81% (with a sample size of 5 games or so) and all people saw was that 81% followed by "OMFG THIS MAP IS IMBA YOU ALL FUCKING SUCK!!!!" It became a situation where too much info became bad, but I will keep this in mind and I'll try and figure out a better way to still show stats. Thanks! You could do a mix of arrows and %. % where the sample size is large enough, and < > where sample size is too small to be representative. And/or include actual numbers.
I'd worry about it being too confusing but I'll try out some drafts like that.
Also, any consideration for a European restream? I know it's possible to watch vods, but it feels less engaging that way (maybe it's just me).
Beyond yes, it's been a HUGE priority forever but the issue has been a dedicated streaming computer, I will keep on working on that!
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I personally prefer more open tournaments and events. Restrictions are lame, dude.
(<3)
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I've love an open tournament. Seeing unknown players play beastly and eventually become known(Jjakji/Taeja) has been the most awesome thing about the weeklies
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As long as every game in the tournament isn't casted, I think it might as well be 100% open.
Other than that I have absolutely no complaints! The tournament is great, the casting is great and the maps are great!
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I would prefer an open tournament. You aren't casting all the games anyway so you could always just skip a series if it was one sided.
Another thing is replays. I would like them to be released more regularly.
Otherwise I think you do a pretty good job. 
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On December 15 2011 07:48 Baum wrote:I would prefer an open tournament. You aren't casting all the games anyway so you could always just skip a series if it was one sided. Another thing is replays. I would like them to be released more regularly. Otherwise I think you do a pretty good job.
We have been falling behind on replays for sure, I am so sorry about that. Replays might become and issue in 2012. I know this year we lost DRG participating because we release them. I am not sure about the future of the replays in 2012 if we want to be able to get the best players. Not saying anything for 100% sure or not just something I know kept some players from playing.
Edit: Also for the remaining unreleased replays I'm going to get my admin to pack them all up, prolly a couple days give or take.
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On December 15 2011 07:33 Alou wrote:I personally prefer more open tournaments and events. Restrictions are lame, dude. (<3)
As Alou #2, I agree.
<3 you alou.
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Mixing in guest casters more often might be an effective way to gain additional viewership and get other people interested in the event that had previously not checked it out before. I don't have the time to watch it religiously so I'm not sure how often the casters are switched up but it could be something to consider.
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From my experience, it's way too hard to find out where exactly in the tournament you are, how long the tournament lasts, and what the tournament means.
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On December 15 2011 08:42 xrapture wrote:
From my experience, it's way too hard to find out where exactly in the tournament you are, how long the tournament lasts, and what the tournament means.
Well we have an awesome volunteer now, VirgilSC2 who is doing LR threads that should clear those first two things up. What do you mean "what the tournament means"?
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I like the high level games BUT i can see new players possibly being a good thing. i still prefer the way it is though with up and coming players.
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I definitely prefer open tournament that is easily accessible, but if spots to fill the tournament are limited and there is an abundance of poor players, I suppose you can limit it to KR masters+ only.
the most exciting thing for me to see on korean weekly is up-and-coming players and unknowns, whether they be teamless unknown gosu's, ex broodwar pros that just switched to sc2, etc. Maybe if we're lucky we can even see some of the pro gamer girls like Eve, aphrodite, etc.
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yeah i miss the sample size and win loss ratio. But is there really a problem if you write t v z ~ 20 v 15 ~ percent ratio.
I mean someone complaining about that counts 1, 2, 3, many ... or just loves to complain and should be ignored completly.
Other then that this is one of my favorite tournaments out there. But ESV team is just pure awesomeness anyway making me completely biased. Just like the overall package of the korean weekly tournament your doing a great job.
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