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Hello everyone,
I notice after major events that casters tend to put up feedback threads to help them improve. With the Korean Weekly coming to a close for 2011 now I would like to do the same, but for the tournament itself.
I would love what feedback you have, what you liked, didn't like, or even what you would like to see in 2012.
I'm not going to put a whole lot here as I want people to not feel restricted. However there is two main points I really wanted some input in, both of which will only apply to current viewers of the weekly.
1: Would you prefer a totally open tournament with more players but a less consistent skill level or do you prefer the restricted events that have less players but a higher average skill level? I am looking if I should make the Weekly 100% open in 2012 or keep it smaller but with all top up and coming players.
2: How did you like the new tournament coverage style where we covered "sections" of the brackets? Did you feel like you got to follow the tournament better or was it just confusing and made everything last too long?
Seriously however, I would like any and all feedback. However let's leave CoCa/Byun out as that is done and is pointless to debate for this thread.
Thank you everyone for the support in 2011, and I hope this tournament continues to grow in 2012 (already got a few things I am working on)!
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I love you guys. That is all <3
Will edit with more content when I have time.
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1) prefer the restricted player list (little iffy on having Code S and Code A guys in the same bracket as Code B guys but i guess it works and if it ain't broke, why fix it?).
2) its much better.
i would like to see a different caster every now and then, but its not mandatory (nor is it a diss to Orb, just variety makes things nicer)
keep it up bud
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When I do tune in I enjoy it
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I didn't like how in the last weekly you just had t>z z>p p>t or whatever for the map slides instead of showing the actual records, thats basically my only complaint
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On December 15 2011 07:07 Antoine wrote:
I didn't like how in the last weekly you just had t>z z>p p>t or whatever for the map slides instead of showing the actual records, thats basically my only complaint
The issue we ran into (and why we did it) is because people were nto looking at sample size and just having kneejerk reactions to the numbers. For example Ithaca had a sample size of 20 games I think and PvZ was at 81% (with a sample size of 5 games or so) and all people saw was that 81% followed by "OMFG THIS MAP IS IMBA YOU ALL FUCKING SUCK!!!!"
It became a situation where too much info became bad, but I will keep this in mind and I'll try and figure out a better way to still show stats.
Thanks!
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On December 15 2011 07:09 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:07 Antoine wrote:
I didn't like how in the last weekly you just had t>z z>p p>t or whatever for the map slides instead of showing the actual records, thats basically my only complaint The issue we ran into (and why we did it) is because people were nto looking at sample size and just having kneejerk reactions to the numbers. For example Ithaca had a sample size of 20 games I think and PvZ was at 81% (with a sample size of 5 games or so) and all people saw was that 81% followed by "OMFG THIS MAP IS IMBA YOU ALL FUCKING SUCK!!!!" It became a situation where too much info became bad, but I will keep this in mind and I'll try and figure out a better way to still show stats. Thanks!
You could do a mix of arrows and %.
% where the sample size is large enough, and < > where sample size is too small to be representative.
And/or include actual numbers.
Also, any consideration for a European restream? I know it's possible to watch vods, but it feels less engaging that way  (maybe it's just me).
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On December 15 2011 07:31 Lonyo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:09 Diamond wrote:On December 15 2011 07:07 Antoine wrote:
I didn't like how in the last weekly you just had t>z z>p p>t or whatever for the map slides instead of showing the actual records, thats basically my only complaint The issue we ran into (and why we did it) is because people were nto looking at sample size and just having kneejerk reactions to the numbers. For example Ithaca had a sample size of 20 games I think and PvZ was at 81% (with a sample size of 5 games or so) and all people saw was that 81% followed by "OMFG THIS MAP IS IMBA YOU ALL FUCKING SUCK!!!!" It became a situation where too much info became bad, but I will keep this in mind and I'll try and figure out a better way to still show stats. Thanks! You could do a mix of arrows and %. % where the sample size is large enough, and < > where sample size is too small to be representative. And/or include actual numbers.
I'd worry about it being too confusing but I'll try out some drafts like that.
Also, any consideration for a European restream? I know it's possible to watch vods, but it feels less engaging that way (maybe it's just me).
Beyond yes, it's been a HUGE priority forever but the issue has been a dedicated streaming computer, I will keep on working on that!
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I personally prefer more open tournaments and events. Restrictions are lame, dude.
(<3)
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I've love an open tournament. Seeing unknown players play beastly and eventually become known(Jjakji/Taeja) has been the most awesome thing about the weeklies
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As long as every game in the tournament isn't casted, I think it might as well be 100% open.
Other than that I have absolutely no complaints! The tournament is great, the casting is great and the maps are great!
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I would prefer an open tournament. You aren't casting all the games anyway so you could always just skip a series if it was one sided.
Another thing is replays. I would like them to be released more regularly.
Otherwise I think you do a pretty good job. 
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On December 15 2011 07:48 Baum wrote:I would prefer an open tournament. You aren't casting all the games anyway so you could always just skip a series if it was one sided. Another thing is replays. I would like them to be released more regularly. Otherwise I think you do a pretty good job.
We have been falling behind on replays for sure, I am so sorry about that. Replays might become and issue in 2012. I know this year we lost DRG participating because we release them. I am not sure about the future of the replays in 2012 if we want to be able to get the best players. Not saying anything for 100% sure or not just something I know kept some players from playing.
Edit: Also for the remaining unreleased replays I'm going to get my admin to pack them all up, prolly a couple days give or take.
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On December 15 2011 07:33 Alou wrote:I personally prefer more open tournaments and events. Restrictions are lame, dude. (<3)
As Alou #2, I agree.
<3 you alou.
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Mixing in guest casters more often might be an effective way to gain additional viewership and get other people interested in the event that had previously not checked it out before. I don't have the time to watch it religiously so I'm not sure how often the casters are switched up but it could be something to consider.
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From my experience, it's way too hard to find out where exactly in the tournament you are, how long the tournament lasts, and what the tournament means.
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On December 15 2011 08:42 xrapture wrote:
From my experience, it's way too hard to find out where exactly in the tournament you are, how long the tournament lasts, and what the tournament means.
Well we have an awesome volunteer now, VirgilSC2 who is doing LR threads that should clear those first two things up. What do you mean "what the tournament means"?
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I like the high level games BUT i can see new players possibly being a good thing. i still prefer the way it is though with up and coming players.
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I definitely prefer open tournament that is easily accessible, but if spots to fill the tournament are limited and there is an abundance of poor players, I suppose you can limit it to KR masters+ only.
the most exciting thing for me to see on korean weekly is up-and-coming players and unknowns, whether they be teamless unknown gosu's, ex broodwar pros that just switched to sc2, etc. Maybe if we're lucky we can even see some of the pro gamer girls like Eve, aphrodite, etc.
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yeah i miss the sample size and win loss ratio. But is there really a problem if you write t v z ~ 20 v 15 ~ percent ratio.
I mean someone complaining about that counts 1, 2, 3, many ... or just loves to complain and should be ignored completly.
Other then that this is one of my favorite tournaments out there. But ESV team is just pure awesomeness anyway making me completely biased. Just like the overall package of the korean weekly tournament your doing a great job.
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Something I'd like to see is a better thread, with easily accessible bracket.
Also, I like the player skill level like it is now. Perhaps you could run smaller tournaments that are open?
Caster (Orb) is amazing, production is amazing, maps are amazing.
Overall, it's a really well-done tournament.
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As someone who is obviously directly affiliated with ESV and the Korean Weekly my feedback here will be biased but I'm going to approach this as someone who's spent the last 4 months as mostly a viewer and not a caster.
I don't personally care about whether the tournament stays open or closed - what I care about at the end of the day is whether I get to see the best players in the world compete or if it's a bunch of sub-par players playing sub-par games. The quality of games is one of the Korean Weekly's biggest strengths. This is obviously attributed to beyond godlike maps (huehuehueuhe), the best players in the world playing at home in a very comfortable environment commentated by mega ballers like orb and friends. Those three things I think should remain of highest priority regardless of where the tournament goes in the future.
Opening up the tournament means running the risk of streaming some pretty shit games but also the opportunity to showcase some very underrated talent. If there is some way to filter the good from the bad before the event goes live, that would be absolutely perfect. However, that's also obviously a logistics nightmare as it means someone's screening the games beforehand or something along those lines and you can't ignore the fact that this is StarCraft 2. There will be shitty games no matter what happens - you can't avoid it.
What I suggest as far as this is concerned is some sort of compromise between the open and closed formats - a qualifier, sort of similar to GSL's Code A and S format. The main card event stays relatively the same being mostly invites with a handful of slots going out to qualifiers played in some other tournament. Again, this comes with a huge logistic overhead and since to the best of my knowledge you are the only one staying up late every week to run the tournament and adding another day or two of qualifying rounds is obviously another huge undertaking so maybe some volunteer manpower here is needed or something. Ultimately this gives the best of both worlds - the new, relatively unknown up and comers get the chance to compete with the best and there's less of a risk of watching a bunch of horrible lucksack scrubs get 2-0'd by ballers like Taeja and Jjakji.
As far as production is concerned, one of the things I'd love to see come back is the player interviews that we had when we did the IMS Invitational last year. Again, not easy to get our hands on but I think with some proper community outreach should be possible - oh the things we could do with a bazillion dollar budget. One of the unfortunate things that I find all of the ESV content seems to lack over the premier streams comign from GSL, MLG, IPL, etc is the lack of player personality exposure. It seems at best we get to throw some prior stats on the player's career and some tidbits of information the casters have stumbled upon but that's about it. I feel like in order to really expand and build a fan base for the KW, it helps to have some way for the viewers to get more acquainted with the players competing. Once again, this takes work & capital and I can understand why things like this haven't been done yet.
On the note of the tournament coverage style, I definitely liked it more than jumping around replays. Everything seems much more coherent coming from both the point of view of a viewer at home and someone who's casted the tournament as well. It's much easier to follow and helps to build the overall storyline behind the games.
Concerning replay availability, I don't know a ton about the current model as I was pretty much MIA with other commitments when this got put into play but my take on it is this: In an ideal world, players should definitely have a say on whether their replays get handed out or not. I don't think they should be able to have the complete power of veto. What I think should be happening in the future is consulting with the team manager and coach about players competing in the tournament to discuss whether they want to distribute replays of their players - attempting to sell them on the fact that this helps build their name and increase things like ROI but also gives the managers and coaches as well as the players the chance to say no - I want to keep all of my top secret tech as top secret as possible and therefore forfeit the aforementioned advantages. So long as there is that dialogue between the organizer (in this case, probably yourself Pat) and the team manager/coach as well to make sure their two cents get put in as well. Beyond that I'll agree with any of the valid comments above in regards to actually getting their hands on up-to-date replays but I think that's Lokgar eating too much pizza <: D
In regards to map statistics, it's a double-edged sword no matter how you look at it. Personally being a mapmaker, I prefer the more tangible data but I understand and respect the decision to simplify it for the less educated (and potentially more vocal). I think maybe a best-of-both-worlds approach here would help as well - in a large font a big simplified version like what currently exists and under it a more complex and in-depth table with games played in each MU and respective winrates for the stats nerds like myself to oggle.
Finally, I would very much like for you to learn some black magic to create a 30 hour day for me in which I can get my cast on whenever I can and not fail out of school and we also need to find a way to give both yourself, orb and fernando infinite amounts of money and women for the stupid amounts of hard work you guys do. Lokgar can have a pizza dispenser (awesome)
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I think showing "PvZ 4–1" would be a lot clearer than "P > Z" or "P > Z 80%" without giving a sample size for the specific matchup only.
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I would like to see more KawaiiRice, if possible.
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On December 15 2011 16:39 jsemmens wrote:
I would like to see more KawaiiRice, if possible.
Last I heard from Kawaii he didn't want to play because of maps T_T. Would love to have him back anytime however !
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On December 15 2011 17:03 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 16:39 jsemmens wrote:
I would like to see more KawaiiRice, if possible. Last I heard from Kawaii he didn't want to play because of maps T_T. Would love to have him back anytime however !
Now that is just silly. I'm going to have to have a talk with him now  ...Anyways, keep it up with the great event!
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I dug them as a whole, but what about more casters, more games shown? Get with some other casters, set up a couple of streams. I think it would be nice. I mean, the format is cool, but I would like to see the entire thing, or a least as much as possible. It is cooler when you get some of these lower-level or less-popular players into the later stages, but I would have liked the opportunity to see their entire journey.
Other than that, I think you guys are going a good job. I dig the mixture of maps, but maybe that could be expanded as well.
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No restrictions pls.
More tournaments is always better
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one the best Tournament that everyone need to see
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Whats GSL? I'd rather watch the weekly =)
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clearly more open format.
and please don't overuse win percentages. (samples of less than at least 20 data points a completely useless)
but your overall production is great, like it.
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Indeed, I also prefer to see the full stats with numbers (eg: 14-6) instead of just which matchup is best/worse. The former option is actually easier to process, with only one look it's all clear. Not sure why that is - logically the "simpler" format should be easier to grasp, but it's not.
Also definitely prefer fully open tournament. But it's probably advisable to reserve the right to add seeded players at higher rounds, and use that option whenever you get applications from players (Code S, high Code A etc) who you think don't have real incentive to compete in the first rounds. Personally, I would be even more bold, and add a disadvantage for such players, like they have to start each match from 0-1. My justification is that it's fun to have Code S players, so I wouldn't forbid them to participate, but it's not fun to watch them demolish Code B players, hence the disadvantage.
Overall my feedback is very positive, this is probably my favorite online tournament, and you have the best single caster in the world (Orb).
edit: Important! - Forbid chat, like GSL does. Only administrative chat allowed, like gg, and pp/go for pause. If possible, check quickly replays through SC2gears for violations of this rule, and outright disqualify when it's violated.
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When I have time off work, I do like watching these since they're a good thing to wake me up in the morning (Australian time).
I haven't seen any for some months now unfortunately, so criticism might not be recent and relevant, but I hope to see more improvements obviously =D
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The only complaint I have about the Korean Weekly is that the viewer count is never as high as it should be oh and the technical issues that always seem to occur with cocasters 
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Thanks for all the advice guys, am reading it all!
Keep it coming !
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It is amazing what you guys are able to put together with love and a shoestring budget. I have no complaints except that I can't believe you guys sticked with "ESVision" for the name.
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On December 15 2011 10:15 prodiG wrote:
Finally, I would very much like for you to learn some black magic to create a 30 hour day for me in which I can get my cast on whenever I can and not fail out of school and we also need to find a way to give both yourself, orb and fernando infinite amounts of money and women for the stupid amounts of hard work you guys do. Lokgar can have a pizza dispenser (awesome)
This is the best piece of advice I've seen here Diamond. Particularly the last part.
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I think the format is fine. If more open means a bunch of bad players filling the earlier rounds of the tournament the way it is with TL opens and such, that's just going to make people not want to watch those rounds.
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On December 17 2011 12:33 sitromit wrote:
I think the format is fine. If more open means a bunch of bad players filling the earlier rounds of the tournament the way it is with TL opens and such, that's just going to make people not want to watch those rounds.
True. One concept I was thinking of was Master/GM on Korea only and start casting in the Round of 32 or 64. Not sure tho, just thoughts.
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I think the Korean Weekly should be open only to players who are currently not in GSL code S.
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On December 17 2011 12:36 onedayclose wrote:
I think the Korean Weekly should be open only to players who are currently not in GSL code S.
Any particular reason? Code S players have not dominated the tournament at any point and both Finals were won by Code B players.
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Did an interview with ESFI World and discussed some of the ideas and concepts I had for a few things for 2012. Check it out and let me know what you think .
Interview
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Whatever you do, do not make it an invite-only or semi-open event.
This tournament is best as a 100% open event. It is literally the only chance we have of seeing the lesser known Code B Koreans compete. There is plenty of Code S level stuff with the GSL and every major tournament inviting the big korean names nowadays.
But I watch this event to see the up-and-comers. I watch because I want a glimpse into the Korean scene that most don't know about. The play is still some of the highest level you can find. These guys are still good enough to take games off of Code Sers.
Fully open is not a big deal in this format. You guys cast from replays. You're selecting the matches you want to broadcast. So that means you don't need to worry about the first few rounds if 500 people signup. Just ignore the players no one has heard of and lose immediately and broadcast the ones we want to see. This really will give a chance for some of the lesser known Koreans to make a name for themselves.
IMO the more players the better here. I know it gets infinitely harder to organize, but it really is something that Korean scene needs and the viewers would love.
Also, I like that orb- character. He's pretty good.
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Canada1637 Posts
On December 17 2011 12:36 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 12:33 sitromit wrote:
I think the format is fine. If more open means a bunch of bad players filling the earlier rounds of the tournament the way it is with TL opens and such, that's just going to make people not want to watch those rounds. True. One concept I was thinking of was Master/GM on Korea only and start casting in the Round of 32 or 64. Not sure tho, just thoughts.
I think that sounds really good. I REALLY like the idea of fully open tournaments.
Also, the idea of seeding into foreign tournaments is much more attractive to me as opposed to GSL Code S, because you will never get rid of that conflict of interest where Code B players have SO much more on the line.
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On December 20 2011 15:05 Adebisi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 12:36 Diamond wrote:On December 17 2011 12:33 sitromit wrote:
I think the format is fine. If more open means a bunch of bad players filling the earlier rounds of the tournament the way it is with TL opens and such, that's just going to make people not want to watch those rounds. True. One concept I was thinking of was Master/GM on Korea only and start casting in the Round of 32 or 64. Not sure tho, just thoughts. I think that sounds really good. I REALLY like the idea of fully open tournaments. Also, the idea of seeding into foreign tournaments is much more attractive to me as opposed to GSL Code S, because you will never get rid of that conflict of interest where Code B players have SO much more on the line.
Seeding into foreign LANs doesn't work. Whose going to pay for their travel expenses? Korean teams certainly can't afford to. If they could they would send their best players, not the Code Bers.
Seeding into online foreign tournaments could work though.
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On December 20 2011 15:00 DoomsVille wrote:
Whatever you do, do not make it an invite-only or semi-open event.
This tournament is best as a 100% open event. It is literally the only chance we have of seeing the lesser known Code B Koreans compete. There is plenty of Code S level stuff with the GSL and every major tournament inviting the big korean names nowadays.
But I watch this event to see the up-and-comers. I watch because I want a glimpse into the Korean scene that most don't know about. The play is still some of the highest level you can find. These guys are still good enough to take games off of Code Sers.
Fully open is not a big deal in this format. You guys cast from replays. You're selecting the matches you want to broadcast. So that means you don't need to worry about the first few rounds if 500 people signup. Just ignore the players no one has heard of and lose immediately and broadcast the ones we want to see. This really will give a chance for some of the lesser known Koreans to make a name for themselves.
IMO the more players the better here. I know it gets infinitely harder to organize, but it really is something that Korean scene needs and the viewers would love.
Also, I like that orb- character. He's pretty good.
Actually totally open (or something like Masters.GM only) is actually easier.
On December 20 2011 15:13 DoomsVille wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 15:05 Adebisi wrote:On December 17 2011 12:36 Diamond wrote:On December 17 2011 12:33 sitromit wrote:
I think the format is fine. If more open means a bunch of bad players filling the earlier rounds of the tournament the way it is with TL opens and such, that's just going to make people not want to watch those rounds. True. One concept I was thinking of was Master/GM on Korea only and start casting in the Round of 32 or 64. Not sure tho, just thoughts. I think that sounds really good. I REALLY like the idea of fully open tournaments. Also, the idea of seeding into foreign tournaments is much more attractive to me as opposed to GSL Code S, because you will never get rid of that conflict of interest where Code B players have SO much more on the line. Seeding into foreign LANs doesn't work. Whose going to pay for their travel expenses? Korean teams certainly can't afford to. If they could they would send their best players, not the Code Bers. Seeding into online foreign tournaments could work though.
The idea would be find LAN's that would take care of that. Lots do, and lots want Koreans so it seems like a good fit.
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On December 20 2011 15:16 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 15:00 DoomsVille wrote:
Whatever you do, do not make it an invite-only or semi-open event.
This tournament is best as a 100% open event. It is literally the only chance we have of seeing the lesser known Code B Koreans compete. There is plenty of Code S level stuff with the GSL and every major tournament inviting the big korean names nowadays.
But I watch this event to see the up-and-comers. I watch because I want a glimpse into the Korean scene that most don't know about. The play is still some of the highest level you can find. These guys are still good enough to take games off of Code Sers.
Fully open is not a big deal in this format. You guys cast from replays. You're selecting the matches you want to broadcast. So that means you don't need to worry about the first few rounds if 500 people signup. Just ignore the players no one has heard of and lose immediately and broadcast the ones we want to see. This really will give a chance for some of the lesser known Koreans to make a name for themselves.
IMO the more players the better here. I know it gets infinitely harder to organize, but it really is something that Korean scene needs and the viewers would love.
Also, I like that orb- character. He's pretty good. Actually totally open (or something like Masters.GM only) is actually easier. Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 15:13 DoomsVille wrote:On December 20 2011 15:05 Adebisi wrote:On December 17 2011 12:36 Diamond wrote:On December 17 2011 12:33 sitromit wrote:
I think the format is fine. If more open means a bunch of bad players filling the earlier rounds of the tournament the way it is with TL opens and such, that's just going to make people not want to watch those rounds. True. One concept I was thinking of was Master/GM on Korea only and start casting in the Round of 32 or 64. Not sure tho, just thoughts. I think that sounds really good. I REALLY like the idea of fully open tournaments. Also, the idea of seeding into foreign tournaments is much more attractive to me as opposed to GSL Code S, because you will never get rid of that conflict of interest where Code B players have SO much more on the line. Seeding into foreign LANs doesn't work. Whose going to pay for their travel expenses? Korean teams certainly can't afford to. If they could they would send their best players, not the Code Bers. Seeding into online foreign tournaments could work though. The idea would be find LAN's that would take care of that. Lots do, and lots want Koreans so it seems like a good fit.
From a foreign LAN perspective, wouldn't it make more sense for them to just invite a top level Code S korean? Although I guess if travel/expenses for a top LAN is up for grabs you'll get the Code S players coming out anyways. If you can convince organizers to do so, that would definitely be the very best way to go IMO.
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Canada1637 Posts
On December 20 2011 15:24 DoomsVille wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 15:16 Diamond wrote:On December 20 2011 15:00 DoomsVille wrote:
Whatever you do, do not make it an invite-only or semi-open event.
This tournament is best as a 100% open event. It is literally the only chance we have of seeing the lesser known Code B Koreans compete. There is plenty of Code S level stuff with the GSL and every major tournament inviting the big korean names nowadays.
But I watch this event to see the up-and-comers. I watch because I want a glimpse into the Korean scene that most don't know about. The play is still some of the highest level you can find. These guys are still good enough to take games off of Code Sers.
Fully open is not a big deal in this format. You guys cast from replays. You're selecting the matches you want to broadcast. So that means you don't need to worry about the first few rounds if 500 people signup. Just ignore the players no one has heard of and lose immediately and broadcast the ones we want to see. This really will give a chance for some of the lesser known Koreans to make a name for themselves.
IMO the more players the better here. I know it gets infinitely harder to organize, but it really is something that Korean scene needs and the viewers would love.
Also, I like that orb- character. He's pretty good. Actually totally open (or something like Masters.GM only) is actually easier. On December 20 2011 15:13 DoomsVille wrote:On December 20 2011 15:05 Adebisi wrote:On December 17 2011 12:36 Diamond wrote:On December 17 2011 12:33 sitromit wrote:
I think the format is fine. If more open means a bunch of bad players filling the earlier rounds of the tournament the way it is with TL opens and such, that's just going to make people not want to watch those rounds. True. One concept I was thinking of was Master/GM on Korea only and start casting in the Round of 32 or 64. Not sure tho, just thoughts. I think that sounds really good. I REALLY like the idea of fully open tournaments. Also, the idea of seeding into foreign tournaments is much more attractive to me as opposed to GSL Code S, because you will never get rid of that conflict of interest where Code B players have SO much more on the line. Seeding into foreign LANs doesn't work. Whose going to pay for their travel expenses? Korean teams certainly can't afford to. If they could they would send their best players, not the Code Bers. Seeding into online foreign tournaments could work though. The idea would be find LAN's that would take care of that. Lots do, and lots want Koreans so it seems like a good fit. From a foreign LAN perspective, wouldn't it make more sense for them to just invite a top level Code S korean? Although I guess if travel/expenses for a top LAN is up for grabs you'll get the Code S players coming out anyways. If you can convince organizers to do so, that would definitely be the very best way to go IMO.
Its more or less the same idea as IPL4 using I44 or PPSL as qualifiers. For example Homestory Cup could have used the Weekly instead of running their own qualifier. Dual purpose.
As for why use a Korean qualifier instead of using an invite system, its more merit based, nuff said. I hope more tournaments expand to this type of model because just using the popularity contest of an invite system is unfair and doesn't help promote talent development as much.
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On December 17 2011 12:36 onedayclose wrote:
I think the Korean Weekly should be open only to players who are currently not in GSL code S.
somehow i agree with this
just look how many win by Taeja -"-
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On December 20 2011 19:29 Adebisi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 15:24 DoomsVille wrote:On December 20 2011 15:16 Diamond wrote:On December 20 2011 15:00 DoomsVille wrote:
Whatever you do, do not make it an invite-only or semi-open event.
This tournament is best as a 100% open event. It is literally the only chance we have of seeing the lesser known Code B Koreans compete. There is plenty of Code S level stuff with the GSL and every major tournament inviting the big korean names nowadays.
But I watch this event to see the up-and-comers. I watch because I want a glimpse into the Korean scene that most don't know about. The play is still some of the highest level you can find. These guys are still good enough to take games off of Code Sers.
Fully open is not a big deal in this format. You guys cast from replays. You're selecting the matches you want to broadcast. So that means you don't need to worry about the first few rounds if 500 people signup. Just ignore the players no one has heard of and lose immediately and broadcast the ones we want to see. This really will give a chance for some of the lesser known Koreans to make a name for themselves.
IMO the more players the better here. I know it gets infinitely harder to organize, but it really is something that Korean scene needs and the viewers would love.
Also, I like that orb- character. He's pretty good. Actually totally open (or something like Masters.GM only) is actually easier. On December 20 2011 15:13 DoomsVille wrote:On December 20 2011 15:05 Adebisi wrote:On December 17 2011 12:36 Diamond wrote:On December 17 2011 12:33 sitromit wrote:
I think the format is fine. If more open means a bunch of bad players filling the earlier rounds of the tournament the way it is with TL opens and such, that's just going to make people not want to watch those rounds. True. One concept I was thinking of was Master/GM on Korea only and start casting in the Round of 32 or 64. Not sure tho, just thoughts. I think that sounds really good. I REALLY like the idea of fully open tournaments. Also, the idea of seeding into foreign tournaments is much more attractive to me as opposed to GSL Code S, because you will never get rid of that conflict of interest where Code B players have SO much more on the line. Seeding into foreign LANs doesn't work. Whose going to pay for their travel expenses? Korean teams certainly can't afford to. If they could they would send their best players, not the Code Bers. Seeding into online foreign tournaments could work though. The idea would be find LAN's that would take care of that. Lots do, and lots want Koreans so it seems like a good fit. From a foreign LAN perspective, wouldn't it make more sense for them to just invite a top level Code S korean? Although I guess if travel/expenses for a top LAN is up for grabs you'll get the Code S players coming out anyways. If you can convince organizers to do so, that would definitely be the very best way to go IMO. Its more or less the same idea as IPL4 using I44 or PPSL as qualifiers. For example Homestory Cup could have used the Weekly instead of running their own qualifier. Dual purpose. As for why use a Korean qualifier instead of using an invite system, its more merit based, nuff said. I hope more tournaments expand to this type of model because just using the popularity contest of an invite system is unfair and doesn't help promote talent development as much.
Oh I agree a qualification system is much better. I'd rather invites go away and everything be qualification based. But invites are just easier (which is why most tournaments use invites). Although ESV has proven they can produce quality online tournaments without running into issues like the PPSL, so that should work in their favor.
I do hope this works out. If some major events agree to this, it will be the best way to go.
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I like it, but the problem is, that ill never be able to catch your tourney, cause i think its quite bad for europeans
or am i wrong?
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On December 21 2011 03:02 parazice wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 12:36 onedayclose wrote:
I think the Korean Weekly should be open only to players who are currently not in GSL code S. somehow i agree with this just look how many win by Taeja -"-
hint hint taeja isn't code S.
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On December 21 2011 03:02 parazice wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 12:36 onedayclose wrote:
I think the Korean Weekly should be open only to players who are currently not in GSL code S. somehow i agree with this just look how many win by Taeja -"-
Not only is Taeja not in Code S, but his winning streak started when he was in Code B.
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On December 21 2011 04:54 GoSuChicken wrote:I like it, but the problem is, that ill never be able to catch your tourney, cause i think its quite bad for europeans or am i wrong?
Shit's so awesome I stay up anyway.
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On December 21 2011 04:54 GoSuChicken wrote:I like it, but the problem is, that ill never be able to catch your tourney, cause i think its quite bad for europeans or am i wrong?
Although our main demographic is NA (and the most important views to us) we do have some plans for rebroadcasts. It's a bit of a manpower issue atm.
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Having a Video Making Contest for the Korean Weekly, check it out! Even if you don't make videos there is a ton of unreleased replays for your enjoyment!
Contest link
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