EPTAlso, I like the player skill level like it is now. Perhaps you could run smaller tournaments that are open?
Caster (Orb) is amazing, production is amazing, maps are amazing.
Overall, it's a really well-done tournament.
Korean Weekly Feedback Thread - Page 2
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Jedclark
United Kingdom903 Posts
Also, I like the player skill level like it is now. Perhaps you could run smaller tournaments that are open? Caster (Orb) is amazing, production is amazing, maps are amazing. Overall, it's a really well-done tournament. | ||
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prodiG
Canada2016 Posts
I don't personally care about whether the tournament stays open or closed - what I care about at the end of the day is whether I get to see the best players in the world compete or if it's a bunch of sub-par players playing sub-par games. The quality of games is one of the Korean Weekly's biggest strengths. This is obviously attributed to beyond godlike maps (huehuehueuhe), the best players in the world playing at home in a very comfortable environment commentated by mega ballers like orb and friends. Those three things I think should remain of highest priority regardless of where the tournament goes in the future. Opening up the tournament means running the risk of streaming some pretty shit games but also the opportunity to showcase some very underrated talent. If there is some way to filter the good from the bad before the event goes live, that would be absolutely perfect. However, that's also obviously a logistics nightmare as it means someone's screening the games beforehand or something along those lines and you can't ignore the fact that this is StarCraft 2. There will be shitty games no matter what happens - you can't avoid it. What I suggest as far as this is concerned is some sort of compromise between the open and closed formats - a qualifier, sort of similar to GSL's Code A and S format. The main card event stays relatively the same being mostly invites with a handful of slots going out to qualifiers played in some other tournament. Again, this comes with a huge logistic overhead and since to the best of my knowledge you are the only one staying up late every week to run the tournament and adding another day or two of qualifying rounds is obviously another huge undertaking so maybe some volunteer manpower here is needed or something. Ultimately this gives the best of both worlds - the new, relatively unknown up and comers get the chance to compete with the best and there's less of a risk of watching a bunch of horrible lucksack scrubs get 2-0'd by ballers like Taeja and Jjakji. As far as production is concerned, one of the things I'd love to see come back is the player interviews that we had when we did the IMS Invitational last year. Again, not easy to get our hands on but I think with some proper community outreach should be possible - oh the things we could do with a bazillion dollar budget. One of the unfortunate things that I find all of the ESV content seems to lack over the premier streams comign from GSL, MLG, IPL, etc is the lack of player personality exposure. It seems at best we get to throw some prior stats on the player's career and some tidbits of information the casters have stumbled upon but that's about it. I feel like in order to really expand and build a fan base for the KW, it helps to have some way for the viewers to get more acquainted with the players competing. Once again, this takes work & capital and I can understand why things like this haven't been done yet. On the note of the tournament coverage style, I definitely liked it more than jumping around replays. Everything seems much more coherent coming from both the point of view of a viewer at home and someone who's casted the tournament as well. It's much easier to follow and helps to build the overall storyline behind the games. Concerning replay availability, I don't know a ton about the current model as I was pretty much MIA with other commitments when this got put into play but my take on it is this: In an ideal world, players should definitely have a say on whether their replays get handed out or not. I don't think they should be able to have the complete power of veto. What I think should be happening in the future is consulting with the team manager and coach about players competing in the tournament to discuss whether they want to distribute replays of their players - attempting to sell them on the fact that this helps build their name and increase things like ROI but also gives the managers and coaches as well as the players the chance to say no - I want to keep all of my top secret tech as top secret as possible and therefore forfeit the aforementioned advantages. So long as there is that dialogue between the organizer (in this case, probably yourself Pat) and the team manager/coach as well to make sure their two cents get put in as well. Beyond that I'll agree with any of the valid comments above in regards to actually getting their hands on up-to-date replays but I think that's Lokgar eating too much pizza <: D In regards to map statistics, it's a double-edged sword no matter how you look at it. Personally being a mapmaker, I prefer the more tangible data but I understand and respect the decision to simplify it for the less educated (and potentially more vocal). I think maybe a best-of-both-worlds approach here would help as well - in a large font a big simplified version like what currently exists and under it a more complex and in-depth table with games played in each MU and respective winrates for the stats nerds like myself to oggle. Finally, I would very much like for you to learn some black magic to create a 30 hour day for me in which I can get my cast on whenever I can and not fail out of school and we also need to find a way to give both yourself, orb and fernando infinite amounts of money and women for the stupid amounts of hard work you guys do. Lokgar can have a pizza dispenser (awesome) | ||
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mutton
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jsemmens
United States439 Posts
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On December 15 2011 16:39 jsemmens wrote: I would like to see more KawaiiRice, if possible. Last I heard from Kawaii he didn't want to play because of maps T_T. Would love to have him back anytime however  ! | ||
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jsemmens
United States439 Posts
On December 15 2011 17:03 Diamond wrote: Last I heard from Kawaii he didn't want to play because of maps T_T. Would love to have him back anytime however !Now that is just silly. I'm going to have to have a talk with him now  ...Anyways, keep it up with the great event! | ||
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TheAmazombie
United States3714 Posts
Other than that, I think you guys are going a good job. I dig the mixture of maps, but maybe that could be expanded as well. | ||
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Keyboard Warrior
United States1178 Posts
More tournaments is always better | ||
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parazice
Thailand5517 Posts
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StoRm_res
Switzerland891 Posts
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Derity
Germany2952 Posts
and please don't overuse win percentages. (samples of less than at least 20 data points a completely useless) but your overall production is great, like it. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
Also definitely prefer fully open tournament. But it's probably advisable to reserve the right to add seeded players at higher rounds, and use that option whenever you get applications from players (Code S, high Code A etc) who you think don't have real incentive to compete in the first rounds. Personally, I would be even more bold, and add a disadvantage for such players, like they have to start each match from 0-1. My justification is that it's fun to have Code S players, so I wouldn't forbid them to participate, but it's not fun to watch them demolish Code B players, hence the disadvantage. Overall my feedback is very positive, this is probably my favorite online tournament, and you have the best single caster in the world (Orb). edit: Important! - Forbid chat, like GSL does. Only administrative chat allowed, like gg, and pp/go for pause. If possible, check quickly replays through SC2gears for violations of this rule, and outright disqualify when it's violated. | ||
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
I haven't seen any for some months now unfortunately, so criticism might not be recent and relevant, but I hope to see more improvements obviously =D | ||
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Ruscour
5233 Posts
 oh and the technical issues that always seem to occur with cocasters  | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
Keep it coming ! | ||
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
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Lokgar
United States147 Posts
On December 15 2011 10:15 prodiG wrote: Finally, I would very much like for you to learn some black magic to create a 30 hour day for me in which I can get my cast on whenever I can and not fail out of school and we also need to find a way to give both yourself, orb and fernando infinite amounts of money and women for the stupid amounts of hard work you guys do. Lokgar can have a pizza dispenser (awesome) This is the best piece of advice I've seen here Diamond. Particularly the last part. | ||
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sitromit
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On December 17 2011 12:33 sitromit wrote: I think the format is fine. If more open means a bunch of bad players filling the earlier rounds of the tournament the way it is with TL opens and such, that's just going to make people not want to watch those rounds. True. One concept I was thinking of was Master/GM on Korea only and start casting in the Round of 32 or 64. Not sure tho, just thoughts. | ||
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onedayclose
United States1145 Posts
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