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We're all three of us good players We're all good at scum hunting We all consistently get shot by mafia Night 1 and 2. We are unlikely both mafia, and have decent reads on each other if one of us is scum. The main benefit of the mayor and pardoner roles is the protection of the hidden bodyguard. With him alive, the elected roles can't be touched. As such it makes sense to use that protection to keep strong players alive, players who are likely to be targeted by mafia. In PYPInsane myself and Mig were elected, two strong town players and we cruised to victory. In this game I recommend we do the same. Palmar, Syllogism and Myself all have the ability to be completely game changing if left alive long enough, elected roles does that. Palmar and Syllo, maybe you guys weren't planning on running, but that would be foolish, and you guys aren't foolish. Obviously I have no idea of Palmar/Syllos alignment, and everyone only has one vote, so please vote for me. However, Palmar/Syllo should most likely be in second place. A vote for me is a vote for town victory. | ||
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On December 12 2011 13:08 GiygaS wrote: On Jitsu's lynch policy question, I believe in LaL heavily[.....] I think LAL is pretty terrible. It does two things wrong: One, it gives mafia a legitamate topic to discuss early game, when in fact we want them discussing elections and lynches. Two, it gives mafia a reason to push townies who may lie, even when the circumstances are not particularly damning to the townie. Every lie needs to be treated on a case by case basis. Townies lie ALL THE TIME, whether LAL exists or not, so it does not make sense to implement the policy. Not to mention, voting based on policy after Day 1(or even day 1) is terrible for town. We vote on content, not policy. On December 12 2011 13:29 Eiii wrote: Having a pro-town hydra behind a bodyguard should be town's goal for today, in my opinion. Could we start discussing in advance how the pardoner should be used? Hydras are only as good as the time they have to invest in the game. I agree that a Palmar/Syllo hydra is a potent force, but I don't think that a hydra by definition is better than a single player. If I was hydra'd onto an inexperienced player, I fail to see how that would be stronger than me by myself. Note on the Pardoner: Every game the pardoner exists people talk about how scary the pardoner is if in mafia hands, but this is NOT TRUE. This is where policy is actually helpful. The pardoner MAY NOT use their pardon, ever, end of story. Even if you are a townie pardoner, and think whomever is getting pardoned is town, you STILL do not use a pardon. The reason for this is that if town reaches a majority, pardoning that player throws town into chaos, regardless of the alignment of the player pardoned. Palmar has stated several times that he will not vote for a player just to get a lynch(in majority lynch scenarios) if he thinks they are town, and this is a good gameplan. But that does NOT transfer over to pardoning players who you think is town(not that palmar thinks this). It is never worth it to break town atmosphere and toss it into chaos in order to save one townie. The Pardoner NEVER uses the pardons. Period. If a pardoner ever uses a pardon, we lynch him the next day(or vig him that night if we are able to). For this reason the pardoner is not dangerous until lylo(or close to it). Only once we get to lylo does the pardoner become dangerous. This is why it is essential that if we have a pardoner of questionable alignment, we get rid of them before the endgame. However before that, on day 1/2 and probably 3, they are not worth worrying about. LALurkers - Lurking is also anti-town. In the games I have played (limited experience) mafia who lurk, and are forced to the surface because of a Lurker Policy, can slip up very, very easily. Forcing discussion is never a bad thing. The more that is discussed, the more that can be analyzed by the townie populace, and the better decisions can be made. Lynching lurkers is a somewhat viable strat for Day 1, particularly in a game with many players who are unknowns. However I am strongly against it in this situation. With a mafia KP of 5/2 rounded up, it is hugely beneficial for us to pick off a mafia day 1, and I have never seen a lurker flip mafia on day 1. So I think we should hone our lynch onto active players, even at risk of killing an active townie. The risk vs reward is really high in this setup. On December 12 2011 14:48 Comprissent wrote: I do think it is better to put a more active person into office anyways, it is up to town to catch a slipup This being said, it now makes more sense in my head to NOT vote for two extremely active players who are running for office, rather leaving one out of an office. If they are both scum, and experienced, town is in trouble. Leaving a lesser experienced person in office may be helpful, where if both offices turn out to be scum, we have a better chance of catching one. It's just like what was just said, these positions don't really control the game so what's the biggie with leaving one office for someone not as experienced? This quote doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but maybe I am reading it wrong. The purpose of putting active experienced players into the elected roles is to keep them safe. That's it. There is no reason to keep someone safe who is either highly inexperienced, or only moderately active. On December 12 2011 15:40 Jitsu wrote: I agree with this. Radfield tied himself quickly to another player. I have no scumread on him right now (nothing he has done really screams "mafia" to me) but I think we should hold on voting and bandwagoning this early, regardless. How would it look if Arcotocod flipped mafia after Radfield tied himself too him? Arctocod flipping mafia would say nothing about my alignment in strict terms. One, I tied them to myself on policy, before even seeing them post. Two, the likelyhood of us both being scum is quite low. If anything Arctocod flipping scum makes it more likely for me to be town. Furthermore, if we are both mafia, there is very little incentive to tie ourselves together. Honestly though, at this point the only thing that ties us together is that we are both vets. On December 12 2011 16:31 cascades wrote: I must be missing something. A lot of people like Sheth are saying Radfield is protown, but he only has one post as of now, and I don't see it. His post just states information any non first time players should know. In fact, he straightforwardly suggests Arc without caring about his alignment. Anyhow, my analysis of his post indicates that it is a post both townie Radfield AND mafia Radfield would make. I would like to warn people not to jump to conclusions like that. They may be strong players, but that indicates nothing about their alignment. Correct. I could have easily made my first post as either town or mafia. Basing a read off of the first post in the game is most definitely jumping to conclusions. Arcto, Drpobear I dont know, Gigas so far so good. A little too early for me to be making reads though. | ||
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On December 12 2011 22:55 Arctocod wrote: For the record, that was syllogism. I suppose we could start tagging our posts. I do not find your answer satisfactory as speaking up first says very little about his alignment. Tagging your posts would actually be quite helpful. That goes for all the hydras. | ||
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On December 13 2011 00:20 Cwave wrote: I don't see how it's a good plan to put you two(three) in those positions based on your statements and catchy phrases like "A vote for me is a vote for town victory". I rather put on of you in office and have the other "pro" fight for his spot round 2. That would give me more info then selecting our apparent two "pro players" to get the first two elected spots we have been given. These are the two positions that make the most sense to give to veteran players. I don't know what the other elections will bring, but I doubt they will make anyone unkillable at night. We basically have the ability to make two players invulnerable to mafia for a given amount of time(until the BG dies). It makes the most sense to put your best players there, the ones most likely to do damage to mafia, and the ones most likely to get killed by mafia. Future elections might have things like dt checks or vig shots available, but those can go to any player, and don't necessarily need to go to vets. As long as we can all pitch in and discuss the action, it's only important that those go to town-aligned players(any town aligned player, vet or brand new). | ||
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On December 13 2011 00:52 Jitsu wrote: I don't understand your reasoning on this. Seeing as how you are a veteran, I will bow to your decision however and drop the issue. I'd much rather you understand what I'm saying. Which part doesn't make sense? And just because I'm a veteran doesn't mean I'm right. I bet there are plenty of vets who disagree with my statement on LAL (and they might be right!). I'll be gone for about the next 9 hours. Might be able to pop on around dinner time though. | ||
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On December 13 2011 02:52 cascades wrote: Similarly, I believe we should impose a policy restriction on mayor that Radfield omitted in his mayor election post. If two people are within 2 or even 1 vote count of each other, I think mayor should not interfere and make the 2nd place suspect the lynch instead. Letting the mayor have essentially 3 votes that he can abuse from day 1 seems like a bad idea. No, If I am mayor and think someone is scum, I'm going to try to lynch them using any means at my disposal. I put in more than three times as much time as many players, I have no problem with using 3 times the voting power  On December 13 2011 03:49 Comprissent wrote: Ok, so assuming we stick to this play on No pardoning, no exceptions, the only advantage either of the offices gives is immunity on night 1 from getting hit. This just helps us keep the vets alive, am i right? I'm pretty sure it gives them immunity for as long as the bodyguard is alive. So in theory mafia could shoot the bodyguard, Mayor and Pardoner all on night 1. Conversely they could have immunity all game if the bodyguard never dies. On December 13 2011 03:51 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Compreissent, they have immunity on day2 from getting lynched, and they have immunity on every night until the BG is dead. I believe. No, anyone elected gets pardoned for the day they are elected. Not the day after they are elected. From the OP: Election winners/runner ups will be pardoned during the corresponding day lynch. On December 13 2011 04:24 Arctocod wrote: Hey radfield don't you find it a bit strange how no one is arguing against you being elected yet, even subtly? It's always either vote for us both or vote for rad+someone else. I even opened the door for that when I stated early on that I found your first post a bit off Same thing happened during the election in PYPInsane. The only players questioning me were townies, and almost everyone voting me for mayor was scum. I don't know why it happens, but I'm glad it does. I'm just an easy player for mafia to vote for, as there are legit reasons I suppose. More importantly, you're too smart to make judgments about my alignment based on the people voting for me, so why bother bringing it up? I suppose the point is this: if we are both town, it is extremely disadvantageous for mafia to allow us both into the elected spots. Therefore, unless one of us is mafia, there should be a counter push to the Radfield/Arctocod wagon. However, in my experience mafia tend to be fairly poor at going after elected positions, and are happy to buy town cred by voting in strong townies. It's a bad strat, but it happens all the time. Of course you could also be scum, which at this point could very well be the case. Time will tell. It's most definitely in towns best interest to stop worrying about the mayor election. It makes good sense to put me and arctocod in, so lets do it and move on to our lynch. I'd like to stop worrying about the mayor election and start spending my time reading filters(I have looked through 1 filter this game) and figuring out who we should lynch. | ||
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On December 13 2011 09:07 prplhz wrote: @Radfield Hey, how do you suggest that we get started for real with the lynch discussion? Same way we always do. Poke, prod, question, accuse, defend, etc. Greymist, I think you're points against Jitsu are decent, but I'm not sure he's our best lynch. I don't readily have an alternative though. We need to hear a lot more from these players: 1. MarserBlood 2. nyczbrandon 8. Refallen 9. Cwave 11. MrZentor 15. evantrees 17. DropBear 23. Nisani201 24. cascades 25. ProfessorBadass (Curu + Erandorr hydra) On December 12 2011 17:34 ProfessorBadass wrote: Why am I running for Mayor? I am infinitely smart, suave, charismatic, modest, able, active, amazing, modest, and honest. And Erandorr's not bad either. Curu it's early, but what happened to your activity? | ||
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On December 12 2011 17:20 Refallen wrote: Hello! Second game here, let's have a good game. I have 2 questions for the veterans who are running; which I'll like them to answer. 1. How effectively can you scumhunt with the mayor/pardoner position as compared to as a regular townie? 2. If you were scum, how damaging would it be for town if you got the mayor/pardoner position, in your own opinion? Lastly, comparing these two questions, do you think the benefits of you being in the mayor/pardoner position if you were town outweigh the cons if it turns out you get the position as mafia? Sorry if I'm being incoherent, really tired right now. Hi Refallen, you seem to have opened up the game with 2 generic questions followed up with an apology. Not a great start. On December 13 2011 10:49 Refallen wrote: I think I would be voting for syllo/palmar here. They obviously have proven track records of being good town players so I think that having them elected would be a great help in directing town discussion. At the same time, I believe that the veterans know enough of how they play to be able to sniff them out if they actually are mafia (kind of a check&balance thing). If it was only one player getting elected, would you still vote for Arctovod, or would you vote for me? | ||
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On December 13 2011 11:20 nyczbrandon wrote: O i thought we were voting for lynch and mayor today We are voting for a lynch and mayor/pardoner today, but we still have 24 hours to do it in. Daytime takes 48 hours Nighttime takes 24 hours. So I mafia "Day/Night cycle" actually takes 72 hours. | ||
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On December 13 2011 20:45 DropBear wrote: - I want to hear more from xsksc. He was extremely active in Steamship and Newbie Mafia, he has all of three posts here. I agree with this. xsksc's play is very different so far previous games I have seen him in. He's around but not contributing. | ||
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- I want to hear less from Sheth. You are spamming like crazy dude and none of it is helpful. It's nice that you're excited about your first game but calm down. Also I disagree with this. Posting is never bad unless you are spamming hardcore, and every post sheth has made has had substance. Even if he isn't helping us find scum with those posts, he is helping us determine his alignment. | ||
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On December 13 2011 21:19 xsksc wrote: Sure. I'm here, I just don't know what to discuss right now. My election vote's already decided. I don't really have any reads right now as it's so early. What would you guys like me to talk about? If you had to lynch someone right now who would you lynch? If zeks, jitsu, gigyas, dropbear and MrZentor were all getting lynched today, and you could pardon as many of them as you wanted, which ones would you pardon? | ||
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I would lynch Refallen I think. ProfBadass is basically inactive right now, which is not necessarily scummy by itself. I highly doubt he will stay inactive as well, so we'll see what they bring when they show up. | ||
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However, I would be completely fine lynching profBadass right now. Nothing I have seen from him so far makes me think he is town. His last post stated he was up to page 15, yet he just responded to arctocod within 1 minute.... so I really hope he's working on a post regarding the last 12 pages. Refallen and xsksc are also good lynches. I want to look through their history first though. | ||
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On December 14 2011 05:56 Arctocod wrote: Radfield: it's things like this that make me wonder Does that sound like someone who is trying to approach the issue from a townie point of view or someone who has an agenda? How does that make any sense at all? Sheth appears smart so I'm assuming he can see what is wrong with this Yeah, that quote makes no sense. I'll read him again. On December 14 2011 03:06 risk.nuke wrote: Another one throws in a halfhearted vote on Zentor, let me fastforward and tell you where this ends this continues. Another handfull of people halfheartedly vote for Zentor. Zentor flips town. We don't have a clue who the real mafia is. We can't use the list people who voted for Zentor to find mafia because there won't be alot of mafia in there. @Harbinger: I read: I might throw a stupid vote but it's because I let my newbie friend choose. I fully agree with this risk. Zentor is a bad choice for the lynch. In other news, that was a fairly scummy analysis from spaackle: Random choice of targets, looks like contribution but is not, misses the actual scummy points in his analysis, etc. Please post more Spaackle. Are you up for lynching ProfBadass today? | ||
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On December 14 2011 05:56 ProfessorBadass wrote: Not really, I've read the rest. I don't really agree with the cases on either zeks or Zentor, DB/risk.nuke/you remain the most suspicious with the election agenda. What's the election agenda again? Me running and people voting for me? | ||
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