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but for now two minor thoughts: I think it's a good idea if we demand all anti-nukes that are used, to be claimed by the user, in order to link the person who was saved and the anti-nuker for later analysis.. Suppose a scum anti-nukes for another scum. If the anti-nuker is forced to claim, then the two players are linked for when later either one flips. If a town anti-nukes for someone they feel is town and is correct, that's a good situation later on for flips. (Of course if a town player anti-nukes for someone who is mafia, that's kind of bad - but this linkage information shouldn't be used in isolation, but along with other evidence that appears. There's also a potential gambit by a scum anti-nuker who saves a town and hopes the town flips later to burnish the scum's townie credentials, but in this case that scum loses an anti-nuke AND keeps a town member alive for the time being, so I think that's a worthy tradeoff). Some of you are saying that we should leave the conspirator alone for now - but the role might have additional abilities that could be detrimental to everyone. | ||
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On July 07 2011 13:37 JeeJee wrote: palmar fakes GM -- mataza nukes sandro, anti-nuked by minii -- minii nukes mataza, anti-nuked by GM -- mataza counter-nukes minii, anti-nuked by minii -- 15.10 sandro nukes GM -- 16.02 sinani nukes YM -- 16.06 jeejee nuke sinani -- 16.07 sinani counternuke jeejee -- any questions? Well, I meant demanding that all future anti-nukes also be claimed. | ||
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On July 07 2011 13:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What's forcing them to claim though? Anti-nukes should be claimed, for the sake of better information, but if a scum anti-nukes another scum, I don't really think he'll claim, no matter how nicely we ask him. Also, I'm lynching Palmar today. He's not town, we have no clue what additional abilities he has, or if the radiation cap or something else will be revealed with his role, and we have no reason to trust anything he says, besides his word, which is worth shit because he's not town. Besides that, he's shitting up the thread more than it already is. People are talking about policy lynching people, even if you think they're town. Instead, how about policy lynching people who are known anti-town, so that we can stop mafia from hiding behind fake conspirator, or third party roles? Sounds better to me, than keeping scum around because they've claimed conspirator, or benevolent third party who wins if the nuke cap isn't met. Also, I'm pretty sure his lynch is generating discussion, simply due to the fact that people are still discussing it, and not everyone is voting for him. What are you so worried about, heist? Well the pressure would be that whoever was saved, without anyone claiming anti-nuke, would be somewhat suspicious. It's not foolproof due to the gambit I mentioned, but I think it's worth it for the town to agree with. And of course if someone as a special ability that saves themselves when nuked, that will need to be claimed if that person does get nuked. I also agree with what you said about Palmar, it squares with what I'm thinking, especially with the other abilities part. | ||
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GMarshal's ever-changing explanations is extremely fishy, I want that to stay on everyone's mind. The redirection of a nuke towards Palmar by itself is more of a town move than a scum move. If the scum was going to redirect a nuke they might as well take out someone else with the choice of new target. The choice of Palmar being the new target likely shows that whoever was doing the redirecting had no good ideas on who else to hit, and thus retargeted the nuke on someone who was already going to die anyways (and claimed conspirator). That is, the redirection is likely the action of a town member looking to save youngminii but had no good vig targets, and wisely didn't just randomly hit another player hoping that this other target was scum. I still want those who stop nukes to claim, but if this redirector still has more of this ability remaining, I can understand why this person might want to stay secret for now - it does make this person a big target. Finally, all these claims flying around in the thread. I don't think it makes sense for any of town, scum, or third party to claim at all at this point in the game. I also despite town members who lie, though - almost all of the time they just confuse the rest of the town. | ||
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While I don't think NAME/FACTION/FULL ROLE claims make sense. | ||
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syllogism: Claims aren't as solid evidence as you say they are - AND they really shouldn't be thrown out so casually. Plus we still have flavor that zombies are a different faction. Sandroba throwing his own claim out that quickly could mean he didn't even seriously consider his actions before posting...or, alternatively, he was actually waiting for an opportunity to post that claim and "capitalized" on it when he saw sinani's post. | ||
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On July 09 2011 00:02 syllogism wrote: No one is relying on claims. They are just one bit of data that can be used to determine alignment. Sometimes it's a null tell, sometimes it's not. On July 08 2011 23:48 syllogism wrote: Look at the time line of sinani206 claiming Leon Trot-Ze and Sandroba claiming UMADIMIR LENEN. Pretty impressive improvisation if he managed to decide it was a good spot to fake claim and come up with a reasonable fake claim in less than 2 minutes. Plus him being Zombie Lenin makes sense. So much time wasted on people who are quite likely to be town at this point Sigh. We are responding to your post, and now you try to dismiss the entire discussion out of hand? | ||
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But yes, we should probably move on. | ||
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On July 09 2011 00:14 GMarshal wrote: That is correct. When I read my Pm for the first time it said something around the lines of "you are Chinese Restaurant, you start with 1 nuke and 1 extra life" I then elected Cash to be my leader which granted 1 extra life and 1 anti-nuke, I completely forgot that I got one extra life to start with, so I thought I had lost my only extra life to Palmars fake nuke. Turns out I had one more than I thought. Okay. Taking GMarshal's response at face value for now, there's something I wanted to note: It's possible for Palmar's "fake" nuke to actually have been real. Caller did say somewhere that fake nukes remove lives too, but I don't want everyone making the assumption that the nuke was confirmed 100% fake just in case it matters later on (a minuscule chance, to be sure: just in case we evaluate a future "fake" nuke by comparing it with Palmar's or something). | ||
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Gosh I really want to see that day post. | ||
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Then he must have been hit twice? | ||
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On July 10 2011 11:37 Drazerk wrote: God ( Caller ) gave me two nukes Because of the Chaos lynch. That is really the only line I can make out from that... Suck at prophesies I guess you're claiming that you're the "new hero" that emerges? You might have a new armor too, "believed to reflect all mortal metal", if that's the case. I want to play to win. But given that Caller's apparently even changing players' roles - it's hard to make sense of anything. Guess I should have expected it, but I didn't. | ||
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What? Everyone should be expected to save themselves, including if they're town. Unless you're claiming your missile is unstoppable? But Mig should still try, since his ability goes away when he dies. | ||
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