Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia IV

On June 18 2011 04:19 gtrsrs wrote:
d'aww i wish we could start now
you know one thing i never understand? how exactly do games get started? like where does the first FoS come from? i know last game it was because freeloader asked a rookie question and some mafia hopped on it. but other games i feel like there's nothing to go on. i'm hosting a full-role game on another forum right now and there are like 4 posts per day between 20 players because everyone just tries to win at night and no one wants to talk in order to not get suspicions on them. it's super frustrating to watch because it's boring as hell but i kinda see where they're coming from.

anyways
MAYBE I SHOULD SAY SOMETHING SUSPICIOUS TO GET US STARTED

On June 18 2011 06:54 gtrsrs wrote:


oh herp. you're right i didn't even consider that. yes it does make it seem less likely

on the other hand the mafia won't know the set-up either. with the 2 goons and 1 hooker they could think that there are power roles so it's a mindfuck to them too. i guess it matters less to them since they want all of us dead regardless if we bleed blue or green but yeah

anyways
we should keep the set-up possibilities fresh every couple of pages and update it or eliminate possibilities after every kill.

also it should go without saying but
if we have one, the medic should never claim unless he is going to be lynched or unless one of his confirmed saves is going to be lynched. he doesn't have to lay low (see GGQ's post at the end of mafia XL about how a blue should play) because he doesn't WANT to look like a medic, but he shouldn't broadcast his role unless it the town is lynching his clear. maybe the medic can claim in a LYLO situation but i'm hesitant to say the medic SHOULD claim in LYLO because the mafia will likely claim medic as well. play it by ear

On June 18 2011 08:43 Drazerk wrote:


Working out the Game type helps blues but not the town while reds already have a 50/50 guess on the type and if they work out there is for example a medic in play they know the game type and can use it against us.

Working out the Game type helps blues but not the town while reds already have a 50/50 guess on the type and if they work out there is for example a medic in play they know the game type and can use it against us.

but I agree in that we should stop this discussion and get onto analysing people

On June 18 2011 09:28 Drazerk wrote:


Can I pull a Freeloader here and Chalk it up to being a idiot / Inexperienced?

and statement two was more the fact of it may not help towns initially but helps Detectives be a bit more open without claiming knowing they have a medic as back up ( depending on set up ofc ) helping town later in the game.

On June 18 2011 10:05 freeloader625 wrote:


Oh damn son he just called you a, "kurumi."



Wait, oh you didn't just go there!

On June 18 2011 10:35 freeloader625 wrote:


You sound angry. Was it because you failed to lynch me last game? :D

Seriously though, I'll contribute more this game. Pinky swear!

On June 18 2011 11:48 gtrsrs wrote:
aprudds is out for blood
don't back down bro

i'm gonna go ahead and piggyback off that
freeloader you got your free pass last game you freeloader. you know well enough by now that posts like this \/


accomplish nothing. so instead of posting this, why don't you make an analysis or contribute in some way

the town votes for Lord Vatti. since he was queued up to be modkilled, we lose nothing, and get a free night of investigations, potential saves, both, or neither.

Hoping Vatti comes and provides something useful.

Keep in mind guys we're less than 24 hours in, I mean, I just woke up. Just like last game (I think almost all of us were in), a list of people who are posting very generic fluff and not helping the town is much more helpful than an inactive list.

On June 19 2011 11:44 gtrsrs wrote:
guys you need to look at this from a numbers standpoint
how fair would this game be if, when we lynched a townie, mafia got 2 kills? that would suck right?

well numerically, mislynching today would be the same. let's say Drazerk flips town. now mafia gets "2 kills" in Lord Vatti and someone else. at least Drazerk has the POTENTIAL to contribute at this point. LV's contributions are absolutely nothing.

i'm glad you brought up the vigilante point aprudds. don't we know too well that just because a vigilante CAN kill someone at night, doesn't mean he SHOULD? likewise, now that lynching is our only KP, just because we CAN lynch someone doesn't mean we HAVE to, especially with a modkill on the block.

and i know i look so scummy for this but i'm gonna stick with my guns here and ask you to vote for Lord Vatti til he shows up to give some input. this might just be the epicmafia vet in me speaking. but when we have someone who is actively lurking, we vote for them. most of the time once the votes pile up, they show up in the discussion. but if not, vote-kicking them is the best way to progress the game, as they would have "vegged out" and died anyways. as soon as LV shows up i'm happy to throw my vote on drazerk. but for the time being, i have *minimal* suspicion of drazerk. i'd rather make a harmless vote than vote for someone based on minimal suspicions. of course as soon as LV shows up, the *minimal* suspicion will be my greatest suspicion so i'll change then. but please don't let mafia jump up to a 3 kill advantage this early

On June 19 2011 12:49 gtrsrs wrote:
i will tunnel with balls of steel once i actually have something to go on Q_Q
for now i am just afraid of starting the game down 3 townies instead of 2

On June 19 2011 13:10 Treadmill wrote:
hrrm... I'd actually agree with gtrsrs' argument for once (somewhat). If we don't have a half-decent case against somebody by tomorrow I think that It WOULD be better to just lynch L.V. rather than do a semi-random lynch.

However
a. there's still time for LV to pop up and NOT get modkilled
b. there's still time for a semi-decent case against someone to be established.

I'm still leaving my vote on Drazerk until he posts something with substance (or a better case arrives).

On June 19 2011 13:23 Treadmill wrote:

As opposed to your path which is "its day one and there's obviously enough evidence for me to be 100% certain xyz is scum"? Waiting to see what people say when they post more is prudent. And if they don't post anything then that tells us something too. Also, your case against Alderan? Shitty.

On June 19 2011 14:01 Treadmill wrote:
Your logic is kinda crappy, Pyo. You're assuming that if we have, say, 3 suspects, that one (and exactly one) must be red. Which is obviously not the case. Also, don't metagame too much, its entirely possible that aprudds got mafia twice in a row.

@aprudds: sorry, I don't mean to be passive. Partly I'm just a little uncertain considering how absolutely wrong I was about everything last game. I actually agree with you that we should lynch whomever seems most suspicious, not go after L.V. for being inactive. But I think we have around 12 hours for people to post and possibly slip up. No, people won't shout "I am mafia" but they may contradict themselves or make spurious arguments.

Keep in mind guys we're less than 24 hours in, I mean, I just woke up. Just like last game (I think almost all of us were in), a list of people who are posting very generic fluff and not helping the town is much more helpful than an inactive list.

Hoping Vatti comes and provides something useful.


##Vote: Lord Vatti

Until I see a case against someone else it's the only logical place for a vote.

On June 20 2011 00:21 supersoft wrote:


haha, now I am back, so you may put your vote back on me if you wish.

I don't know what to say about gtrsrs... I agree with him, that we shouldn't randomlynch on day1 in general... mhh difficult situation. If we had a DT for sure, I'd also say, we better lynch a lurker/afkler... But since we cannot be sure about that...
From another point of view: If he was mafia, he shouldn't be interested in lynching a person that's afk. Best case for them is, if we lynch one of us who is contributing. So I think this position of him to lynch someone who probably gets modkilled doesn't convince me.
A more valid point is his passiveness...

How much time is left until nighttime?