EPThow many games do we need to be considered not a newbie?
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how many games do we need to be considered not a newbie? | ||
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On June 17 2011 06:33 Drazerk wrote: Oh but a townie does have reasons to ask such a question. Don't take my SC2 Mafia as lack of experience, I was able to deduce roles within the 50seconds given. :D What reason does a townie have to ask such a question? | ||
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On June 18 2011 04:01 freeloader625 wrote: Just for clarification because all my life I've been confused on this... EDT is eastern. I am eastern. But sometimes ppl write (-04:00) but whenever I fill out forms and crap eastern is always (-05:00). WHAT IS GOING ON!?!? EDT is Eastern Daylight Time, its -4:00 EST is Eastern Standard Time, its -5:00 Daylight Savings Time Strikes Again! | ||
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I think we can safely ignore the possibility of the set-up being the roleblocker, 2 goons, 9 townies, because that would be stupid. | ||
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I missed that the mafia KP was fixed, that does changes the math a little. I still think the DT should claim once he hits a single red (if we have one, which isn't guaranteed). Otherwise we run the risk of him seeing a red and then getting killed. The DT is almost certainly not going to give us more than 1 mafia this game anyways (he'll either get killed or RB'd, yes) so I don't see why it matters if he gives us the second or third one. Also finding our first mafia as early as possible will really help to lead us to the others. | ||
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On June 18 2011 06:38 omgCRAZY wrote: We should get everyone talking as soon as possible and get some discussion going so we can weed out the lurkers and get a good lynch for day 1. I also agree that the DT should not out himself right away unless the benefits are game changing. Does anyone know if the DT checks the role blocker will it return goon or roleblocker for him. If it returns roleblocker I would not mind the DT outing at that point since we will know 100% that we have 1 medic and 1 DT and the medic can keep the DT safe. From the OP it seems he only returns alignment, not role. | ||
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Another note - figuring out the set-up does give us something to talk about but its not terribly important in the long run, lets not fixate on something that doesn't really matter. | ||
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On June 18 2011 08:16 supersoft wrote: Dt sees the color of the checked player. and I think DT should never roleclaim asap. it's much better to give some hints by "analyzing" players if he found someone. when he got two mafia, I agree he should probably roleclaim. but since we don't know whether there is a medic, it would be bad if we lose our only blue in exchange to one mafia. It wouldn't be bad at all. DT is good because they let us know where the mafia is. If they aren't doing that then they are useless. We don't score points at the end for how many blues are alive or something. DT claiming as soon as they hit red helps us by a. giving us a verified lynch (either the person accused or the person who claimed DT must be mafia with no miller/framer/whatever) and killing 1/3 of the mafia b. preventing a possible mislynch (any lynch based on posting is less accurate then one based on DT check) c. it also gives us information to find the other mafia members from the vote list, posting, etc. | ||
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Drazerk is posting a lot but not contributing, which is worse. I'm gonna back up Pyo and ##Vote: Drazerk but mostly just to pressure him into actually saying something. If Vatti gets himself modkilled I'm gonna be so depressed. | ||
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Lord Vatti hasn't posted but Drazerk hasn't posted with any content (list of inactives, yeah!). My vote stays on Drazerk until he does. | ||
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However a. there's still time for LV to pop up and NOT get modkilled b. there's still time for a semi-decent case against someone to be established. I'm still leaving my vote on Drazerk until he posts something with substance (or a better case arrives). | ||
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On June 19 2011 13:14 aprudds wrote: You realize with this mindset we are just going to be waiting till the dawn of time. Your going to "wait" for a better case to come? What you think scum are just going to barge in and yell HERE I AM COME AND GET ME? As opposed to your path which is "its day one and there's obviously enough evidence for me to be 100% certain xyz is scum"? Waiting to see what people say when they post more is prudent. And if they don't post anything then that tells us something too. Also, your case against Alderan? Shitty. | ||
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@aprudds: sorry, I don't mean to be passive. Partly I'm just a little uncertain considering how absolutely wrong I was about everything last game. I actually agree with you that we should lynch whomever seems most suspicious, not go after L.V. for being inactive. But I think we have around 12 hours for people to post and possibly slip up. No, people won't shout "I am mafia" but they may contradict themselves or make spurious arguments. | ||
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Second, I'm also suspicious of gtrsrs for rather similar reasons. Something to add though is about this post: + Show Spoiler + On June 19 2011 10:07 gtrsrs wrote: okay i know i'm going to regret this if Drazerk flips scum but i think the logical thing to do for now is to remove your votes from Drazerk in my earlier post i said i was leaning to someone, and that person is Drazerk, but the point remains that Lord Vatti is suspiciously MIA. here's what potentially could happen: 1. Lord Vatti is townie without a role, saw that he didn't have a role, and afk'd out of the game. he will be modkilled. he could even be mafia but i doubt it. 2. the town votes for Drazerk on what can only be described as moderate-at-best suspicions. 2a. Drazerk flips townie. we're now down 2 townies and 0 mafia. it's as if 2 nights have passed (via 2 mafia kills) but we'll only have the info from 1 night's worth of night actions (if we even *have* any blues). 2b. Drazerk flips mafia. our hunches were correct. high five town. 2c. Drazerk flips power role. oh shit, his increased activity was because he's got a more prominent role. fuck our lives. 3. the town votes for Lord Vatti. since he was queued up to be modkilled, we lose nothing, and get a free night of investigations, potential saves, both, or neither. so with all that in mind, and noting that i'm NOT defending Drazerk (for he is my FoS at the moment, but it is an extremely weak FoS), i still think we should pile the votes onto Lord Vatti instead. best case scenario we kill an afk mafia. worst case scenario we lose a townie that we would have lost anyways. if we keep our votes on drazerk, the worst-case goes up to losing 2 townies. so with that in mind, i think that until Lord Vatti shows up to contribute, no matter how big of a hunch/suspicion we have of Drazerk, we should not vote him until we're all present. once Lord Vatti shows up i'm all for pressuring Drazerk, i just don't want to lose 2 townies on day 1 He makes a decent argument but it seems very uncharacteristic.... he says that he was leaning to Drazerk being on the scummy side. But, remember last game? gtrsrs was suspicious of iGrok from the get-go. And he tunnelled him mercilessly, and was very forward about his suspicions. But here he's saying "I've been suspicious of Drazerk but I wasn't going to say anything" which is extremely unlike how he played last game. Also, he's suspicious of him but he's not going to vote him? That, again, seems unlike gtrsrs' play last game. There is a decent case that gtrsrs and Drazerk are both mafia, as freeloader put forward. HOWEVER. The case is by no means 100%. Both could quite easily be green. Or, one could be town and the other mafia. That considered, gtrsrs is a much better townie than Drazerk. If they ARE both green than I'd much rather lose Drazerk than gtrsrs. Also, it seems slightly more likely (to me, anyways) that Draz is mafia while gtrsrs is town, rather than vice versa. My vote is already on Drazerk, originally only to pressure him into speaking substantively. It's gotten quite close to the deadline and he hasn't. So, I think that we should lynch Drazerk today, and see from there. Especially, freeloader, I think that you should change your vote from gtrsrs - if Draz flips red, than we can target gtrsrs (though if he flips green it doesn't mean that gtrsrs is definitely in the clear). | ||
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WTF I seriously have no idea what's going on. | ||
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##Vote: gtrsrs Looking pretty damn scummy, bro. Don't worry, I don't hold the "you're alll idiots" against you, you're just saying that to make us doubt ourselves. | ||
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On June 20 2011 05:00 Drazerk wrote: ##Unvote: gtrsrs ##Vote: aprudds Ill explain after the Idra - MC game but I urge everyone to follow suit Cause this is a totally bullshit thing to say/do... | ||
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On June 20 2011 04:58 gtrsrs wrote: surprise surprise, the king of misreads strikes out again ![[image loading]](http://i51.tinypic.com/2n8dm6e.gif) LOLOL. But, what the hell can I do, right? | ||
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gtrsrs is screwing with you, town aprudds is TOWN. gtrsrs just wants you to doubt yourselves. Also Drazerk is also mafia. This is so stupid. | ||
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