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Issue with NASL First Seed vs Open Winner

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h3nG
Profile Joined March 2011
46 Posts
June 09 2011 02:16 GMT
#1
http://nasl.tv/News/Article/20110602nasl-finals-information

According to the article, the the first seed in NASL will face the open bracket winner.

Am I the only one who thinks this is a bad choice??? Typically, the first seed faces the weakest player. But I actually think the open bracket winner will be one of the strongest players, if not the strongest.

Imagine if MMA, Bomber, Thorzain, etc... signs up for the open tournament. In my opinion it is better to NOT be first seed because of this.

Anyone else agree with this and think the rules need to be re-evaluated? Or am I misunderstanding something?
Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
June 09 2011 02:17 GMT
#2
I would assume anyone who makes the top 16 in a big tournament like this would be a tough opponent no matter what...
Brood War forever!
Dimagus
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1004 Posts
June 09 2011 02:18 GMT
#3
But then the better player wins and advances, and all is right in the world?
h3nG
Profile Joined March 2011
46 Posts
June 09 2011 02:18 GMT
#4
Lemme ask you this...would you rather play the 16th seed in NASL or MMA if he signs up and ends up winning the open tournament? Just a thought...
emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 02:20:03
June 09 2011 02:19 GMT
#5
This is how tourneys work in every sport, top seeded player plays lowest ranked player. Take tennis as an example, Nadal would always get a very easy opponent first round where as the 20th seed would get a relatively harder opponent.

In this case, the lowest ranked player would be the open winner
When there is nothing left to lose but your dignity, it is already gone.
Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
June 09 2011 02:19 GMT
#6
I don't think it will affect the quality of the tournament but it is a strange way to reward the #1 overall seed.
h3nG
Profile Joined March 2011
46 Posts
June 09 2011 02:20 GMT
#7
In the end it doesn't matter...but I feel that rule punishes the first seed because there's a high probability the open bracket winner will be better than the 10-16th seeds.

Just look at MLG. All the Koreans took over....
NExt
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1651 Posts
June 09 2011 02:21 GMT
#8
standard tournament seed format??

#1 vs #32
#2 vs #31 ?? etc.. etc..
Waiting for Protoss Jesus
xilaratu
Profile Joined July 2010
United States233 Posts
June 09 2011 02:21 GMT
#9
On June 09 2011 11:19 Duravi wrote:
I don't think it will affect the quality of the tournament but it is a strange way to reward the #1 overall seed.


I have to agree with this. It's kinda silly to aim for the #1 seed and have to face an unknown quantity who could be somebody very good.
h3nG
Profile Joined March 2011
46 Posts
June 09 2011 02:22 GMT
#10
I really hope NASL re-evaluate this rule because as a spectator I would like to see guys like July, Select, Ret, etc... not get knocked out by the open Seed if it happens to be a really strong opponent.
sc2guy
Profile Joined November 2010
291 Posts
June 09 2011 02:25 GMT
#11
The open bracket winner is an unknown. It can be somebody terrifyingly good or terribly bad. I agree that we should not take the risk and put the top seed vs. open bracket winner. I don't want a NASL final similar to Inca vs. Nestea GSL final where Inca is not obviously the best competition for Nestea.
✿◕‿◕✿ Taeng
rickybobby
Profile Joined October 2010
United States405 Posts
June 09 2011 02:26 GMT
#12
i agree it seems like only a very strong player will come out of the open bracket and will almost certainly be better than lower tier playoffs players
h3nG
Profile Joined March 2011
46 Posts
June 09 2011 02:27 GMT
#13
sc2guy: do you really believe the open bracket winner will be terribly bad?? it's a $50,000 tournament. I imagine a lot of Koreans trying to eat a piece of the pie. Guys like MMA, Losira, etc... will be tempted to sign up. Just a thought.

NASL has a lot of strong players. But I truly believe there are a lot of powerful SC2 players who will sign up for NASL. Just look at all who flocked to MLG, and that was for only $5000.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
June 09 2011 02:28 GMT
#14
I think it should be:

1-10: Top 2 of each division
11: Open Bracket winner
12-16: Wild Card Playoff winners
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
June 09 2011 02:28 GMT
#15
This just underlines NASL's stupidity in general. They invited people like Artosis, Grubby, Painuser, etc. when they clearly weren't the top 50 players in the world, and now you have problems like these.
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
June 09 2011 02:31 GMT
#16
fantastic post kraznaya
ILIVEFORAIUR
Profile Joined February 2010
United States173 Posts
June 09 2011 02:31 GMT
#17
On June 09 2011 11:28 Kraznaya wrote:
This just underlines NASL's stupidity in general. They invited people like Artosis, Grubby, Painuser, etc. when they clearly weren't the top 50 players in the world, and now you have problems like these.


It is called the North American Star League. Why would you expect the top 50 players in the world to compete?
5 Gate Muta FTW!
starcraft911
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Korea (South)1263 Posts
June 09 2011 02:32 GMT
#18
On June 09 2011 11:18 Dimagus wrote:
But then the better player wins and advances, and all is right in the world?


The worst thing that can happen in a tournament is when the two best players in a tournament face eachother in the early rounds. The buildup to the finals makes it much more epic which is why tournaments exist in the first place. If not for this we would just see people streaming random ladder games that had no meaning behind them.

Open bracket will be very hard, I have no doubt the person who makes it through that is going to be among the best in the entire tournament.
sup3rchan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada127 Posts
June 09 2011 02:32 GMT
#19
On June 09 2011 11:31 iNcontroL wrote:
fantastic post kraznaya


Well done haha
seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
June 09 2011 02:34 GMT
#20
So the winner of the first seed vs open winner wins and we move on. I don't see an issue here. Surely you're not trying to argue that the open winner will be vastly superior to seeds #2-15?
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