• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:40
CEST 18:40
KST 01:40
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy6[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple1BSL Season 235Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down1StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon101Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism10
StarCraft 2
General
Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool The Death of Cheese: From a Professional Cheeser Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon
Tourneys
2026 GSTL Announcement Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Fall
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 544 Double Trouble The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses Mutation # 542 The Ascended
Brood War
General
Bot on ladder an AI researcher's take on the ladder bot New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery! Recent recommended BW games BSL Season 23
Tourneys
[IPSL] IPSL is Back With Winter 26-27! [ASL22] Ro8 Day 1 [BSL23] SM: Ret vs TerrOr -> DragOn vs StRyKeR [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation Diablo IV
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine All you football fans (soccer)! Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Gaming Intensity, Problemati…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 12937 users

Issue with NASL First Seed vs Open Winner - Page 14

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 12 13 14 All
FOUTWENTYSIXTY
Profile Joined November 2010
89 Posts
July 09 2011 17:19 GMT
#261
Because 6 of the last 8 are Korean. If 6 of the last 8 were European objections would be raised.

Also the fundamental problem is that it's mainly full time professionals versus semi-pros without equitable training enviroments.

It's uncompetitive and Ret getting hammered made a mockery of the group section of play.

Imres
Profile Joined March 2011
515 Posts
July 09 2011 17:23 GMT
#262
On July 10 2011 02:19 FOUTWENTYSIXTY wrote:
Because 6 of the last 8 are Korean. If 6 of the last 8 were European objections would be raised.

Also the fundamental problem is that it's mainly full time professionals versus semi-pros without equitable training enviroments.

It's uncompetitive and Ret getting hammered made a mockery of the group section of play.



some foreigners are just lazy.

Darkforce is one of the most hardworker progamer in Europe, tadam, results.
If ret want to play 5/6h day, he couldn't expect good results when he'll face good opponents in good conditions (not cross server), and it's the same for a lot of foreigners.
sleepyguy
Profile Joined March 2011
United States272 Posts
July 09 2011 17:35 GMT
#263
Maybe eliminating an open bracket altogether would solve this issue.
WE FOKKEN LOST BOYS
WGarrison
Profile Joined February 2011
United States96 Posts
July 11 2011 00:13 GMT
#264
The finals results speaks for itself now. There has to be a change next season.

I understand that Ret would have been in just as bad of a spot playing MC first instead, but my point of the open winner being really dangerous for the 1st seed is apparent. Huge disincentive to be 1st place which is bad for the tournament.
eNtitY~
Profile Joined January 2007
United States1293 Posts
July 11 2011 00:17 GMT
#265
Hai Ret,

Since you performed so well this season and took down the #1 seed in NASL after 8 weeks of staying up late and playing amazing games you now get to play someone who won a quick tournament and is one of the best Korean Terrans.

Enjoy,

NASL Admins
http://www.starcraftdream.com
SMD
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada627 Posts
July 11 2011 00:17 GMT
#266
On July 11 2011 09:13 WGarrison wrote:
The finals results speaks for itself now. There has to be a change next season.

I understand that Ret would have been in just as bad of a spot playing MC first instead, but my point of the open winner being really dangerous for the 1st seed is apparent. Huge disincentive to be 1st place which is bad for the tournament.


2 suggestions id give for fixing this

1) Give a $$$ incentive for winning the league ( 5000$? and just make first 45k?)

or something like GSL group selections. #1 seed just picks who he wants to play, #2 the same, and in order until all 8 matchups are chosen. If #1 picks #2 so be it.

3) let ONLY #1 pick, and reseed the other 14 into bracket
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
July 11 2011 00:21 GMT
#267
I don't understand why they even get into the finals at all. I would rather have someone that had to commit to the league, instead of one guy that just plays an open bracket and gets a free spot in the finals. Yes, some people will say "herp derp the open bracket is hard tho!!!1!" and yeah I know that. Give them some cash or something for winning it. They are already guaranteed to play in the next season. Idk who the player was that was closest to being in the finals, but he should feel really screwed right now. The only thing the player that wins the open bracket had to put in was $10 and a few days time. Compare that to the players that have to pay a fee to be in the league, plus have to play through the whole nine weeks. I think it's ridiculous. Give them something, but not a spot in the finals.
StyLeD
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2965 Posts
July 11 2011 00:23 GMT
#268
lol OP lookin' spot on now.
"Even gophers love Starcraft" - Tasteless. || Davichi | IU <3
ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
July 11 2011 00:27 GMT
#269
On July 11 2011 09:17 SMD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 09:13 WGarrison wrote:
The finals results speaks for itself now. There has to be a change next season.

I understand that Ret would have been in just as bad of a spot playing MC first instead, but my point of the open winner being really dangerous for the 1st seed is apparent. Huge disincentive to be 1st place which is bad for the tournament.


2 suggestions id give for fixing this

1) Give a $$$ incentive for winning the league ( 5000$? and just make first 45k?)

or something like GSL group selections. #1 seed just picks who he wants to play, #2 the same, and in order until all 8 matchups are chosen. If #1 picks #2 so be it.

3) let ONLY #1 pick, and reseed the other 14 into bracket

All of these are pretty amazing. Although I also like the suggestion of group play in the last stages. It means more games which means harder to schedule but they could easily roll group play into day 1 and 2 and still show all games. This is of course based on a more loose schedule during group play.
"The White Woman Speaks in Tongues That Are All Lies" - Incontrol; Member #37 of the Chill Fanclub
genius_man16
Profile Joined February 2011
United States749 Posts
July 11 2011 00:28 GMT
#270
On July 11 2011 09:21 MechKing wrote:
I don't understand why they even get into the finals at all. I would rather have someone that had to commit to the league, instead of one guy that just plays an open bracket and gets a free spot in the finals. Yes, some people will say "herp derp the open bracket is hard tho!!!1!" and yeah I know that. Give them some cash or something for winning it. They are already guaranteed to play in the next season. Idk who the player was that was closest to being in the finals, but he should feel really screwed right now. The only thing the player that wins the open bracket had to put in was $10 and a few days time. Compare that to the players that have to pay a fee to be in the league, plus have to play through the whole nine weeks. I think it's ridiculous. Give them something, but not a spot in the finals.


This has been my issue with letting in the Open Bracket winner. I don't see how you should just allow someone to not put in the time and somehow be crowned the "champion" of the NASL.

I mean Ret put in 9+ weeks into it and Puma put in what, 6 days? Yet somehow Puma is the champion.

I'm not trying to discount Puma's skill or anything, but I can't really find any fairness in letting someone win a League in which they put in no time at all.

That's like letting the New England Patriots into the NFL playoffs without playing a single regular season game.
Dyrus | Vooby | Balls | Meteos | WildTurtle | Bjergsen | Cop | sexPeke | Xpecial | Aphromoo | Scarra |
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 01:09:56
July 11 2011 00:29 GMT
#271
On July 11 2011 09:17 SMD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 09:13 WGarrison wrote:
The finals results speaks for itself now. There has to be a change next season.

I understand that Ret would have been in just as bad of a spot playing MC first instead, but my point of the open winner being really dangerous for the 1st seed is apparent. Huge disincentive to be 1st place which is bad for the tournament.


2 suggestions id give for fixing this

1) Give a $$$ incentive for winning the league ( 5000$? and just make first 45k?)

or something like GSL group selections. #1 seed just picks who he wants to play, #2 the same, and in order until all 8 matchups are chosen. If #1 picks #2 so be it.

3) let ONLY #1 pick, and reseed the other 14 into bracket

well, I guess also have all of them in the same room and make them "talk it out" like they do in GSL would/could generate "interesting" drama..

EDIT: LOL QUOTE TAGS -_-
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
Prev 1 12 13 14 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Monday Night Weeklies
16:00
#64
RotterdaM332
TaKeTV 112
TKL 61
IndyStarCraft 38
SteadfastSC19
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 332
ProTech145
UpATreeSC 61
TKL 61
IndyStarCraft 38
BRAT_OK 28
SHIN 25
SteadfastSC 19
ByuN 5
MindelVK 1
EnDerr 1
StarCraft: Brood War
Bisu 2206
ggaemo 442
Stork 288
Barracks 220
Larva 209
firebathero 114
Hyun 93
Sharp 70
Dewaltoss 65
Mong 41
[ Show more ]
Shinee 37
BeSt 32
ToSsGirL 25
Trap 24
Terrorterran 21
Sexy 21
Free 19
HiyA 14
NaDa 14
yabsab 13
scan(afreeca) 12
IntoTheRainbow 10
eros_byul 1
Dota 2
Gorgc7397
qojqva1899
Counter-Strike
x6flipin509
edward187
Other Games
Liquid`RaSZi2034
hiko1034
FrodaN707
B2W.Neo581
Beastyqt319
Hui .250
Liquid`VortiX191
ArmadaUGS109
QueenE97
Mew2King62
Trikslyr57
Rex16
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream12068
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream2987
Other Games
BasetradeTV39
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• mYiSmile129
• StrangeGG 7
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3117
League of Legends
• Nemesis1825
• TFBlade863
Other Games
• Shiphtur202
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
17h 21m
Afreeca Starleague
17h 21m
Light vs EffOrt
OSC
19h 21m
PiGosaur Cup
1d 7h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 18h
The PondCast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
GSL
5 days
[ Show More ]
Yamato Cup
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Super Anchor Qualifying S3
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Calamity Invitational
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.