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FOUTWENTYSIXTY
Profile Joined November 2010
89 Posts
July 09 2011 17:19 GMT
#261
Because 6 of the last 8 are Korean. If 6 of the last 8 were European objections would be raised.

Also the fundamental problem is that it's mainly full time professionals versus semi-pros without equitable training enviroments.

It's uncompetitive and Ret getting hammered made a mockery of the group section of play.

Imres
Profile Joined March 2011
515 Posts
July 09 2011 17:23 GMT
#262
On July 10 2011 02:19 FOUTWENTYSIXTY wrote:
Because 6 of the last 8 are Korean. If 6 of the last 8 were European objections would be raised.

Also the fundamental problem is that it's mainly full time professionals versus semi-pros without equitable training enviroments.

It's uncompetitive and Ret getting hammered made a mockery of the group section of play.



some foreigners are just lazy.

Darkforce is one of the most hardworker progamer in Europe, tadam, results.
If ret want to play 5/6h day, he couldn't expect good results when he'll face good opponents in good conditions (not cross server), and it's the same for a lot of foreigners.
sleepyguy
Profile Joined March 2011
United States272 Posts
July 09 2011 17:35 GMT
#263
Maybe eliminating an open bracket altogether would solve this issue.
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WGarrison
Profile Joined February 2011
United States96 Posts
July 11 2011 00:13 GMT
#264
The finals results speaks for itself now. There has to be a change next season.

I understand that Ret would have been in just as bad of a spot playing MC first instead, but my point of the open winner being really dangerous for the 1st seed is apparent. Huge disincentive to be 1st place which is bad for the tournament.
eNtitY~
Profile Joined January 2007
United States1293 Posts
July 11 2011 00:17 GMT
#265
Hai Ret,

Since you performed so well this season and took down the #1 seed in NASL after 8 weeks of staying up late and playing amazing games you now get to play someone who won a quick tournament and is one of the best Korean Terrans.

Enjoy,

NASL Admins
http://www.starcraftdream.com
SMD
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada627 Posts
July 11 2011 00:17 GMT
#266
On July 11 2011 09:13 WGarrison wrote:
The finals results speaks for itself now. There has to be a change next season.

I understand that Ret would have been in just as bad of a spot playing MC first instead, but my point of the open winner being really dangerous for the 1st seed is apparent. Huge disincentive to be 1st place which is bad for the tournament.


2 suggestions id give for fixing this

1) Give a $$$ incentive for winning the league ( 5000$? and just make first 45k?)

or something like GSL group selections. #1 seed just picks who he wants to play, #2 the same, and in order until all 8 matchups are chosen. If #1 picks #2 so be it.

3) let ONLY #1 pick, and reseed the other 14 into bracket
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
July 11 2011 00:21 GMT
#267
I don't understand why they even get into the finals at all. I would rather have someone that had to commit to the league, instead of one guy that just plays an open bracket and gets a free spot in the finals. Yes, some people will say "herp derp the open bracket is hard tho!!!1!" and yeah I know that. Give them some cash or something for winning it. They are already guaranteed to play in the next season. Idk who the player was that was closest to being in the finals, but he should feel really screwed right now. The only thing the player that wins the open bracket had to put in was $10 and a few days time. Compare that to the players that have to pay a fee to be in the league, plus have to play through the whole nine weeks. I think it's ridiculous. Give them something, but not a spot in the finals.
StyLeD
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2965 Posts
July 11 2011 00:23 GMT
#268
lol OP lookin' spot on now.
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ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
July 11 2011 00:27 GMT
#269
On July 11 2011 09:17 SMD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 09:13 WGarrison wrote:
The finals results speaks for itself now. There has to be a change next season.

I understand that Ret would have been in just as bad of a spot playing MC first instead, but my point of the open winner being really dangerous for the 1st seed is apparent. Huge disincentive to be 1st place which is bad for the tournament.


2 suggestions id give for fixing this

1) Give a $$$ incentive for winning the league ( 5000$? and just make first 45k?)

or something like GSL group selections. #1 seed just picks who he wants to play, #2 the same, and in order until all 8 matchups are chosen. If #1 picks #2 so be it.

3) let ONLY #1 pick, and reseed the other 14 into bracket

All of these are pretty amazing. Although I also like the suggestion of group play in the last stages. It means more games which means harder to schedule but they could easily roll group play into day 1 and 2 and still show all games. This is of course based on a more loose schedule during group play.
"The White Woman Speaks in Tongues That Are All Lies" - Incontrol; Member #37 of the Chill Fanclub
genius_man16
Profile Joined February 2011
United States749 Posts
July 11 2011 00:28 GMT
#270
On July 11 2011 09:21 MechKing wrote:
I don't understand why they even get into the finals at all. I would rather have someone that had to commit to the league, instead of one guy that just plays an open bracket and gets a free spot in the finals. Yes, some people will say "herp derp the open bracket is hard tho!!!1!" and yeah I know that. Give them some cash or something for winning it. They are already guaranteed to play in the next season. Idk who the player was that was closest to being in the finals, but he should feel really screwed right now. The only thing the player that wins the open bracket had to put in was $10 and a few days time. Compare that to the players that have to pay a fee to be in the league, plus have to play through the whole nine weeks. I think it's ridiculous. Give them something, but not a spot in the finals.


This has been my issue with letting in the Open Bracket winner. I don't see how you should just allow someone to not put in the time and somehow be crowned the "champion" of the NASL.

I mean Ret put in 9+ weeks into it and Puma put in what, 6 days? Yet somehow Puma is the champion.

I'm not trying to discount Puma's skill or anything, but I can't really find any fairness in letting someone win a League in which they put in no time at all.

That's like letting the New England Patriots into the NFL playoffs without playing a single regular season game.
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zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 01:09:56
July 11 2011 00:29 GMT
#271
On July 11 2011 09:17 SMD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 09:13 WGarrison wrote:
The finals results speaks for itself now. There has to be a change next season.

I understand that Ret would have been in just as bad of a spot playing MC first instead, but my point of the open winner being really dangerous for the 1st seed is apparent. Huge disincentive to be 1st place which is bad for the tournament.


2 suggestions id give for fixing this

1) Give a $$$ incentive for winning the league ( 5000$? and just make first 45k?)

or something like GSL group selections. #1 seed just picks who he wants to play, #2 the same, and in order until all 8 matchups are chosen. If #1 picks #2 so be it.

3) let ONLY #1 pick, and reseed the other 14 into bracket

well, I guess also have all of them in the same room and make them "talk it out" like they do in GSL would/could generate "interesting" drama..

EDIT: LOL QUOTE TAGS -_-
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