• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:44
CEST 21:44
KST 04:44
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244
Community News
Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism3Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon?114Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)9Weekly Cups (August 24-30): Patches' balance mod takes over3New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!46
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism Nexon wins bid to develop StarCraft IP content, distribute Overwatch mobile game Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) SC4ALL: II Winner Will Earn a Spot at HSC 30! Weekly Cups (August 24-30): Patches' balance mod takes over
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) 2026 GSTL Announcement Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 542 The Ascended Mutation # 541 Binary Choice The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 540 Dodge This
Brood War
General
ASL22 General Discussion Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon? Pros React To: Calm's Big Brain Play Vs Mini New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery! BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro16 Group B 2v2v2v2 Tournament [ASL22] Ro16 Group A [ASL22] Ro24 Group F
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread EVE Corporation Diablo IV [Maplestory Hardcore] Let's Play~!! General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
F* the Children and Get Off …
TrAiDoS
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
Regacy Esports: The Bh…
regacyesports
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8388 users

[G][L] TvX: How to make a low SD/Rax ramp wall

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
1 2 3 Next All
michaelhasanalias
Profile Joined May 2010
Korea (South)1231 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-20 02:21:06
April 19 2011 01:55 GMT
#1
How to make a low SD/Rax wall

I apologize if this has been posted before. I've recently started playing T more some on ladder and wanted to know how to do this, but I searched and found no guide. After spending a little bit of time figuring it out, I thought I would share a neat little trick that will ensure you never miss a low SD/Rax wall.


[image loading]
Poorly crafted in MSPaint, you'll see an example of each iteration of a narrow ramp (backwater gulch, typhon peaks, delta quadrant and metalopolis, but this works on every narrow ramp).

The simple trick is to position your Depot/Rax such that it makes a 5-square seal around the concave green square at the bottom of your ramp.

With this in mind you'll note that each wall, although seemingly goofy, is impassable to scouting worker or any other ground unit.

Here's an example of each wall position on Shakuras:

[image loading]

While some of them look quite permeable, try and see for yourself!

I hope this helps anyone out there who has been frustrated about this in the past.



If you choose to low ramp wall with your first SD/Rax:

I highly recommend doing 10depot 11 rax instead of the standard 10 depot 12rax. If you plan to open standard OC, it is economically the same to cut the 12th SCV for 8 seconds in order to immediately drop the rax at 11 supply (assuming you go for standard OC timing, which would be at 14 vs 15 if you 11rax).

You can refer to this thread for the data: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=179108


But be wary of the possible perils of low ramp walling:
vs Michael vs Vasso [image loading]





Also:
http://www.aldenolmstead.com/BGHBlock/BGHBlock.jpg
KR NsPMichael.805 | AM Michael.2640 | SEA Michael.523 | 엔에스피 New Star Players
Noxie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2227 Posts
April 19 2011 02:06 GMT
#2
Thanks for putting in the effort to this guide! Looks great!
Chahta
Profile Joined February 2011
United States148 Posts
April 19 2011 02:08 GMT
#3
so basically something you would discover by turning on building grid in the options menu? I suppose this would be appreciated by newer players. I suppose this just amuses me so because a lot of effort was put into explaining the obvious. Very clear guide, that is for sure, but perhaps a replay of zerglings trying to get by? (sealing in *proof*)
I accidentally whole f*cking base
michaelhasanalias
Profile Joined May 2010
Korea (South)1231 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-19 02:11:06
April 19 2011 02:10 GMT
#4
On April 19 2011 11:08 Chahta wrote:
so basically something you would discover by turning on building grid in the options menu? I suppose this would be appreciated by newer players. I suppose this just amuses me so because a lot of effort was put into explaining the obvious. Very clear guide, that is for sure, but perhaps a replay of zerglings trying to get by? (sealing in *proof*)


Don't know, a lot of players miss these walls from time to time, possible because of the rarity of it.

It's because of the way the ramp is set up in 1.2 on the build grid that makes it look like you need to seal off the edges that are already sealed.
KR NsPMichael.805 | AM Michael.2640 | SEA Michael.523 | 엔에스피 New Star Players
svefnleysi
Profile Joined March 2011
Iceland623 Posts
April 19 2011 02:18 GMT
#5
On April 19 2011 11:08 Chahta wrote:
so basically something you would discover by turning on building grid in the options menu? I suppose this would be appreciated by newer players. I suppose this just amuses me so because a lot of effort was put into explaining the obvious. Very clear guide, that is for sure, but perhaps a replay of zerglings trying to get by? (sealing in *proof*)

To me, at least, it looks like these "walls" are easily passable around the edges. I wouldn't have known they blocked the ramp without this guide.

Thanks, OP.
Xanczor
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States254 Posts
April 19 2011 02:24 GMT
#6
Thanks for posting
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=100673&currentpage=22
Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
April 19 2011 02:54 GMT
#7
What is the point of putting the wall off at the bottom, a faster wall off to deny any initial scouting?

Very interesting, now I can go for gas heavy builds without my opponent knowing until it's too late
Seems like this would be viable for Toss as well, as long as they leave a 1 unit space for a zealot.
Rubix314
Profile Joined December 2010
54 Posts
April 19 2011 02:58 GMT
#8
You only need one supply depot to complete it. Possibly, for, say, some kind of all-in.

Otherwise this kind of wall leaves it way too vulnerable.
AER0K
Profile Joined July 2010
United States24 Posts
April 19 2011 03:08 GMT
#9
Thanks for the post
Bxk
Profile Joined September 2010
United States53 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-19 03:25:01
April 19 2011 03:18 GMT
#10
On April 19 2011 11:54 noobinator wrote:
What is the point of putting the wall off at the bottom, a faster wall off to deny any initial scouting?

Very interesting, now I can go for gas heavy builds without my opponent knowing until it's too late
Seems like this would be viable for Toss as well, as long as they leave a 1 unit space for a zealot.


I see 2 main uses currently: Going for a 1 rax no gas FE-type build against Zerg, and having a fairly decent baneling-bust-proof wall before the 5 minute mark if you go 2 Rax FE.
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I saw Minigun do this on his stream months ago, using a 1 rax 1 depot wall-off against someone in a custom (he was Terran, I think he was helping someone who was coaching, by playing Terran, but I digress.... I think it is/was common practice to Pylon/Forge wall when Forge FE, and maybe that's why he did it?). I asked in Simple Questions/Simple Answers and found no definite reason why a bottom wall-off *shouldn't* be used, so now I pretty much wall off the bottom and top with Rax when I 2 Rax FE in TvZ

Also, thanks for making this post! I actually thought it wouldn't work in Typhon Peaks, the ramp looks wider than it really is, but now I know :D
gastro54
Profile Joined October 2010
23 Posts
April 19 2011 04:40 GMT
#11
sweet post
Techno
Profile Joined June 2010
1900 Posts
April 19 2011 04:46 GMT
#12
Nice post, thanks!
Hell, its awesome to LOSE to nukes!
johanngrunt
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Hong Kong1555 Posts
April 19 2011 05:46 GMT
#13
Not everyone is Grand Masters league. There are always things that you can learn. Thanks for the guide.
The.Doctor
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada333 Posts
April 19 2011 06:14 GMT
#14
Thx for the guide michael.
The Boss.
jahre
Profile Joined November 2008
United States95 Posts
April 19 2011 06:17 GMT
#15
You can also double rax wall off the bottom of a ramp. Good vs Zerg if you're opening 2 rax pressure.
"I am as bad as the worst, but, thank God, I am as good as the best." -Walt Whitman
pt
Profile Joined November 2010
United States813 Posts
April 19 2011 06:19 GMT
#16
thanks. i fail horribly at this when i off race against my friends.
EG-TL!
FoFo
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands207 Posts
April 19 2011 08:52 GMT
#17
nice, never knew there was such an easy rule to it
"we must avoid balancing SC2 by making everything suck equally hard."
Grubbegrabbn
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden174 Posts
April 19 2011 09:26 GMT
#18
You can also double rax wall off the bottom of a ramp. Good vs Zerg if you're opening 2 rax pressure.


Yeah - excellent idea. Deny scouting and then show all your cards.
Tonem
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia91 Posts
April 19 2011 09:28 GMT
#19
I think the main reason you don't see it used that much is because that bottom supply depot is so susceptible to being picked off by ranged units..

Otherwise this would be great for denying scouting, esp. seeings as most scout timings arrive just a little bit before you get your second depot down
Valckrie
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom533 Posts
April 19 2011 10:38 GMT
#20
Great pictures, I'm normally able to get the position right but I relied on memories of previous walls, so this really helps as general guide for all the ramps
Fear is a 4 letter word. Why be afraid?
1 2 3 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 17m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 397
UpATreeSC 56
JuggernautJason46
MindelVK 22
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 15427
Calm 3225
Mini 487
Dewaltoss 169
Aegong 61
Yoon 27
Dota 2
monkeys_forever170
Counter-Strike
byalli1177
pashabiceps734
Other Games
summit1g5926
Liquid`RaSZi2716
Grubby2322
fl0m871
FrodaN775
Beastyqt631
mouzStarbuck414
shahzam393
KnowMe220
IndyStarCraft 146
C9.Mang0105
RotterdaM95
Trikslyr67
Chillindude17
Organizations
Other Games
WardiTV372
BasetradeTV37
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Reevou 5
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki53
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota2856
• WagamamaTV548
League of Legends
• TFBlade818
Other Games
• imaqtpie1108
• Shiphtur238
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
4h 17m
Kung Fu Cup
15h 17m
Replay Cast
1d 4h
The PondCast
1d 14h
KCM Race Survival
1d 14h
Escore
2 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Shopify Rebellion Sundays
4 days
Spirit vs Mixu
Clem vs TBD
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
4 days
BlizzCon
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
GSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-09-02
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
RSL Revival: Season 6
Calamity Invitational
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: King of Kings
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
SC4ALL II: Brood War
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.