Well, let me post my thoughts:
This setup must be extremelly unconfortable for mafia as they don't know the identities of each other, at least in the begining. We have to assume that at maximum 1 sleeper agent knows the identities of his buddy per day/night cycle. The mindset for scum this game, specially early on, is that they don't want to post strong analysis and strong opnions because 1)they might get their buddies lynched 2)they might attract a shot from his buddies at night, so doing this benefits the town even more in this setup. We should push extremelly hard for activity and FoS on anyone not willing to commit.
##Vote: Vain
You took the time to post here but haven't said anything relevant. You have done that on the previous game as well, so this is a null tell for me. But specially in this game this kind of behaviour (active lurking/contentless posts) is extremelly detrimental for town for the reasons I stated above. My vote goes to you unless you step up your game and play pro-town.

sandroba

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April 25 2011 06:23 GMT

#136

I find these couple of posts you just made very suspicious darmousseh. First post you are very defensive and points out obvious things for a blue role. Then next post you quote the guy who did the exact same thing as you AND say it was an obvious blue tell?
Why do you want us to believe you are blue?

sandroba

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April 25 2011 06:29 GMT

#138

I believe he did it on purpose. Pointing out a blue tell and at the same time doing the same thing to clear him of suspicion.

sandroba

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April 25 2011 06:33 GMT

#139

EBWOP: I also agree that pointing out vigilantes is not a blue tell, but neither is the post he quoted, which is basically the same thing. If he thinks that what vain did is a blue tell he wouldn't do it if he was blue. He would only do it if he wants to appear to be blue.

sandroba

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April 25 2011 12:41 GMT

#146

I think this discussion about breadcrumbs is not productive at all, specially if you reveal your strategy before you put it in practice. Doing what you are suggesting is going to make scumhunting more difficult imo. Also I don't think that's the way mafia is going to identify each other, as there are several other more obvious ways I can think of.

sandroba

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April 25 2011 12:51 GMT

#148

On April 25 2011 12:21 tnkted wrote:
Everyone disregard this (crumbing for later):
DSBETNLBNTF

Now, on to the game. Trying to find scum's breadcrumbs is going to be extremely difficult imo. There are two ways I think we can play this game if breadcrumbing is vitally important:

1. Set up a posting standardization system where people refrain from using coloqualisms and any identifying characteristics. This system would have to be set up so that all players may only communicate using certain standard symbols or phrases. By simplifying the language like this we can dirastically reduce the ways in which breadcrumbing can happen. However, such a system would completely remove all sense of personality and also all other possible scumtells.

2. Not focus on breadcrumbing at all, except where it is obvious. If we focus on breadcrumbing, picking apart everybody's posts for clues and hints we're going to completely miss what we should be really looking for in those posts, which are scumtells. You can bet that since scum doesn't know who scum is, they are NOT going to want to vote for the scummiest players. Scum is going to act stranger than normal, so we can't waste time looking for scumtells. We can't stop the CL from pming his cronies, so looking for scumtells is a waste of time and town attention. Remember what happened when we focused on the item game in insane 2? We won the item game but lost the overall game. :/

Now, 1 is going to be pretty difficult to do, so I vote that we do 2.

I completely agree with method number 2 here. Behaviour analysis is going to be our main weapon, as always. As we get further into the game, it will become even easier to compare the behaviour of mafia from day1 and 2 when they most likely don't know each other to how they are acting on the next days (3+) which they most likely figured it out.

sandroba

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April 25 2011 12:53 GMT

#149

On April 25 2011 21:46 Jackal58 wrote:

Show nested quote +

Please share.

If you can't think of one it's in my best interest not to share, because maybe the cell leader cannot think of one aswell. Why do you want me to share it?

sandroba

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April 25 2011 13:34 GMT

#157

"CELL LEADER:
You may send a message consisting of 5 words or 20 characters to any agent at dawn and dusk of each day. Submit it like a normal action. The message can't contain the name of any player. The message is PM'd to both myself and chaoser. We will send it to the player you specify. Cute attempts to get around the "No Names" rule or the word/char limit will result in the message being "lost". Feel free to crumb, just don't put the name (or any form of the name) in there."

We have to assume a max of 5 mafia. One of them is the cell leader. We have to assume the cell leader can think of a way of informing one agent per day and per night of their buddies. So by day 3 all agents should know each other. We have no way of knowing that the method he is going to use is the one you sugested, and the fact that it's been sugested makes it even less likely. Discussing this extensively is not going to create a town atmosphere that favors town as it's an useless discussion that everyone can chime in without revealing any information. I suggest that we focus on behaviour analysis and start to pressure inactives and people that make useless posts.

sandroba

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April 25 2011 13:46 GMT

#162

Ace, I trust your analysis and think you are a smart player, but I don't like the idea of feeding ideas to the cell leader. I don't see how this can be helpful for town as I can think of other methods of comunicating with the sleeper agents that do not involve using the posts in this thread.

sandroba

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April 25 2011 13:54 GMT

#167

I agree with never double checking. I also think the DT should not reveal himself early and try to push for a lynch based on analysis if he gets a positive result. As there are probably 5 mafia in the game and we don't know how many DTs and no medic, trading for mafia 1 for 1 early is not a good deal for town.

sandroba

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April 25 2011 13:58 GMT

#169

On April 25 2011 22:54 Ace wrote:

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Well you can keep those methods to yourself since you don't seem intent on sharing. What I'm doing here is something else. Guess you'll just have to read into it a bit more.

I'm going to post my three people without the msg then.
Ace, GM, Mr. Wiggles.
I would inform them of all other mafia players so they can operate normally without the fear of mislynching one of the other agents.

sandroba

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April 25 2011 14:11 GMT

#172

I'm not going to post it because I can reveal any 5 people with 20 chars, and maybe the cell leader can't.

sandroba

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April 25 2011 14:13 GMT

#173

Also my list is based purely on who I think are the best players in this game. Don't feel ofended if I didn't pick you as I've read only a limited number of mafia games.

sandroba

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April 25 2011 16:07 GMT

#192

Same goes for trackster. I noticed he posted in survivor thread yet he refuses to post here.

sandroba

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April 26 2011 00:02 GMT

#242

I don't agree with the FoF on Jackl58, as for me what he did was a null tell and if it was pushing mafia objectives it was too damn obvious and I think mafia would be more carefull than that. My current FoS is darmomusseh for reasons I stated before and Zorkmid:
He was very agressive on his last game as town and has pretty much only posted contentless/redundat/parroting posts so far. The only pressure he has made was bandwagoning wiggles for no apparent reason.
##unvote
As much as I'm still suspicious of vain, he played the same way last game when he was blue, so I'm not sure I would be lynching scum if I pushed for his lynch.
##Vote: Zorkmid

sandroba

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April 26 2011 15:57 GMT

#253

I don't really like the FoS on wiggles. For me it's a bunch of null tells and some town tells. However I whole heathedly agree on lynching the lurkers/inactives/people posting no content. I feel like that's the optimal play for mafia in this setup early on, so it's a high chance o hitting mafia if we focus on those. I would like to propose we lynch zorkmid.

On April 23 2011 00:41 Zorkmid wrote:
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Seem to be posting too little for someone so eager for this game to start. He is behaving very differently from the other game he was town, where he was way more active and way more agressive and never jumped on the defense of anybody.

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