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TL Mafia XXXVI

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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
January 17 2011 02:23 GMT
#33
/in
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
January 17 2011 20:14 GMT
#47
Would it be possible to have cycles end/begin at 21:00EST instead of 22:00EST?
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
January 17 2011 21:08 GMT
#52
On January 18 2011 05:45 Node wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2011 05:14 Jackal58 wrote:
Would it be possible to have cycles end/begin at 21:00EST instead of 22:00EST?


21:00 EST has a lot more potential to conflict with my schedule. I'll have to see if it works for LSB.

If it's an inconvenience to you don't worry about it. I can hang til 10 but I'm usually pretty loopy by then.
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
January 18 2011 00:38 GMT
#60
On January 18 2011 09:32 Foolishness wrote:
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On January 18 2011 04:16 LSB wrote:
I'm cool with that.
How did it go in XXXV? (Besides the giving me horrible advice part)

Better than anyone thought. I think a total of 9 people asked me for help at some point during the game, which was a much higher output than expected. I'm not expecting that to continue, but I'll be here reading the game if anyone wants to talk to me about it. Sometimes it helps to have someone to bounce ideas off of.

I will avail myself of your offer this time around.
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
January 19 2011 15:08 GMT
#76
On January 19 2011 17:40 LunarDestiny wrote:
Unbiased comments before role are sent out.
Bodyguard dying because of inactive modkill would be lame.

Node, do you think you will have a healthy amount of replacements?

Also to whoever voted for mayor, please pick lurkers(not sure how to define them) as bodyguards. I don't want that FAT INACTIVE to be our day/night post. Also it makes the game more interesting.

Well, picking lurkers as bodyguards might not be the best strategies... Just throwing out this before I get axed if I say this after game starts.

Lurkers killed town in XXXV. I intend to leave no lurker alone.
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
January 22 2011 20:25 GMT
#188
SWEET!!!!!!!
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
January 23 2011 02:20 GMT
#219
/confirm.

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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
January 23 2011 02:33 GMT
#232
Aren't the clues supposed to be in some way related to individual profiles?
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
January 23 2011 03:30 GMT
#261
On January 23 2011 12:27 Kavdragon wrote:
Good citizens of Liquidia!

I present to you my campaign for Mayor of this fine town filled with wonderful people!


      Four score and seven minutes ago our hosts brought forth in this forum a new thread conceived in awesomeness and dedicated to the proposition that all men should post a lot. Now we are engaged in a great Mafia game testing whether this thread, or any thread so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure.

      We are met on this great posting-field, TL Mafia, in honor of previous games. I have come to dedicate a portion of this thread as a mostly final resting-place for those who here were active that that their game might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this. But, in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate, we cannot consecrate, we cannot hallow this ground. The brave men, posting and dead, who struggled here have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract.

      The TL Mafia forum will little note nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain, that this thread under Node and LSB shall have a new birth of activity, and that my mayor-ship of the active, by the active, for the active shall not perish from the thread.

      But now we must move onward. With the memory of these invaluable players emblazoned in our minds, who will lead us to that play that glorious and active game? I humbly submit myself to the public office, willing to serve a thread, of the actives, by the actives, and for the actives. Under my leadership, the attacks of the enemy will be rebuffed, the confusion sown by the mafia will be silenced! Inactivity banished, and analysis rewarded! I stand for a town, united in activity and lynches for all scum! So come to my banner fellow Liquidians, let us run a race that in all likelihood will likely be quickly forgotten, but awesome none the less! Vote for activity! Vote for Scumhunting! Vote for Victory! Vote for KAV!

      Be convinced, if not by my words, then by the words of those who came before me. If not by words than by the lol worthy pictures I created for the occasion. If not by pictures, then by the epic music I wrote for a completely different occasion, but which I'm still shamelessly trying to use to further my campaign!

+ Show Spoiler [Text Endorsements] +

On August 9 1974 11:63 VER wrote:
Kav's the One. Kav for mayor.


On January 20 1961 11:63 Node wrote:
I Like Kav. Vote for Kav.


On January 22 2011 11:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm Meapak_Ziphh and I approve this message.


On January 22 2011 11:26 SiNiquity wrote:
I'm SiNiquity and I approve this message.


On January 21 2011 08:42 LSB wrote:
KAV 4 MAYOR!
I'll make you a mspaint poster!!!!



+ Show Spoiler [Pictorial Endorsements] +

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+ Show Spoiler [Music] +


http://ifland.bandcamp.com/track/5ifth


Vote for Victory!

Vote for Kav!

+ Show Spoiler +

(PS, i might be an invincible Vigilante, that can protect anyone, and check two people for their role per night. It'd suck to pass up that awesome role in the mayor seat.)

Первым человеком, решить мою головоломка в этой кампании будет получить мое восхищение.
--отец КавДракона


Solve the clue and I'll consider giving you my vote.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
January 23 2011 13:56 GMT
#299
On January 23 2011 18:13 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
also why does everyone keep talking about Qatol? Hes not even in the game o.O?

Pffff. And you're running for mayor? Do try to keep up my good sir.
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
January 23 2011 14:52 GMT
#301
So not having played in a game yet with an elected mayor and body guards isn't being selected as body guard a death sentence on night 1?
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
January 24 2011 21:14 GMT
#502
I suspect the entire game.
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
January 24 2011 21:15 GMT
#503
Some days I'm slow.
Some days I'm slower.
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
January 24 2011 21:23 GMT
#506
On January 25 2011 06:22 zerroth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2011 06:16 aidnai wrote:
Anyone else notice that LSB is just spamming one liners with no analysis, always discussing game setup and he only posts when called out? I didn't know it was possible to be this scummy!

## Vote: LSB



is this a serious post?

Looked serious to me.
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
January 24 2011 21:30 GMT
#508
On January 25 2011 06:25 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2011 06:23 Jackal58 wrote:
On January 25 2011 06:22 zerroth wrote:
On January 25 2011 06:16 aidnai wrote:
Anyone else notice that LSB is just spamming one liners with no analysis, always discussing game setup and he only posts when called out? I didn't know it was possible to be this scummy!

## Vote: LSB



is this a serious post?

Looked serious to me.


Are you defending LSB, zerroth? You're acting pretty scummy as well.

Maybe we should make him mayor.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
January 24 2011 22:19 GMT
#516
On January 25 2011 07:15 LunarDestiny wrote:
NO ONE HERE IS SPAINISH???

CHINESE DUDE HAD TO USE GOOGLE TO FIND OUT WHAT "mi dio" is. Those who are spanish, I think you are mafia for not pointing out what "mi dio" is.

"mi dio" = my god
mi = my
dio = god


ilovejonn

Show nested quote +
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both willing, and able?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither willing, nor able?
Then why call him God.

source:
http://mymemory.translated.net/s.php?q=mi dio&sl=it-IT&tl=en-GB&sj=all

Who are these Spainish you speak of?
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
January 25 2011 01:33 GMT
#549
Or a SK.
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
January 25 2011 02:28 GMT
#569
On January 25 2011 11:25 Pandain wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Pandain wants YOU for the Team mini mafia replacements. Just join and vote nemesis.

Remember, only you can prevent mafia victory in the next 30 minutes

If your going to play that game at least have them vote GGQ.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
January 25 2011 23:21 GMT
#638
On January 26 2011 08:12 bumatlarge wrote:
A scum mayor is the worst scenario by far, regardless of anything else. This means we will never get information on town numbers. False-claims will be rampant, and it will turn into a clue-crapshoot. I want to avoid this at all cost. For this reason, I believe one of RoL or Kav is scum. It's just way to strong an opportunity to pass up. If we are luky, dr.H was the mafia claim, but seeing as how he had relatively no votes, I don't think this is a viable outcome to put your hopes in.

I feel we should RNG our mayor :/ as right now we have a 50% shot at picking a scum mayor, or we can take a <25% chance at one. I'd like to hear thoughts.

On a BG plan
+ Show Spoiler +
We want to use the census as long as possible because it's basically 1/2 of a coroner everyday. I've been thinking this through and I believe the best option is to splice 4 and 5.

Option 4: Vetclaim: Two Veterans claim, they are chosen as bodyguards.
Upside: Vets are tough to kill, make excellent bodyguards. Essentially make mayor invulnerable for at least 3-4 cycles.
Downside: Reds can STILL claim to mess it up (and they will.) Vets more useful hidden amongst the town, to soak hits. No guarantee this setup has two vets.
Verdict: If it wasn't for the fact that reds can claim, I'd be in support of this idea. I personally think vets would be more useful ensuring we have census for basically the entire game than sitting in the silent majority, hoping they can soak up a hit. However, there's no way a smart mafia team wouldn't have a goon claim vet, with no way to prove/disprove it, and that's a 66% chance we run into the 1 town-1 scum setup. So no.

Option 5: Mayoral preference: Mayor picks his bodyguards, they accept.
Upside: Kav/RoL are both good players, can probably select two greens.
Downside: Kav/RoL aren't infallible, scum mayor can basically screw town over with this by intentionally selecting blues (bluesniping) and making it look accidental when they die, gives all the power to the mayor, something we want to avoid.
Verdict: I don't like it, despite Kav kind of softly pushing for it. I'd vote against this plan.


We have only 1 veteran claim. We should tell him to refresh the thread to avoid multiple claims. He will be first choice. Yes, mafia can claim it, but I'm not entirely sure mafia wants to which I will get to in a minute. The next BG will be chosen by Mayor. He will make the person is believes is most likely a vanilla town. If he is scum, then we can't be sure what he will do, but a mafia BG leaves a nice SK target on his back.

So this would ultimately lead to how badly the other factions want the mayor to die. With 30 people in the game, I believe there are several set-ups.

5 mafia, 2-3SKs.
6-7 mafia, 1-2 SKs
7-8 mafia, No SKs (8 seems highly unlikely)

With a rough 25% of players being non-town, BG chosen by mayor has a good chance of being town. With more mafia then veterans, statistically mafia will be more likely to be 2nd BG. I believe SK has no real purpose in trying to kill mayor within first 3 days. As a lone-wolf, he benefits from information brought to town, and he can blend well until medics and vets start getting counted. He can't really fake why he survived a hit if a mafia about to get lynched accuses him of being an SK. Ultimately, SK wants mayor to state how many mafia, SKs, one other blue role to keep his clam safe. SK should be preoccupied with DT and mafia sniping. For this reason, I do not like censusing DTs til later on, so SKs won't feel safe enough to hit mayor.

Mafia then will take a stab at non-townie mayor very early on. Medics should take a high-priority in protecting BGs, and if both die and mayor is alive, I don't think you should take it off him.

On January 16 2011 15:03 Node wrote:

Mayor
You are the elected leader of the town. Elections will take place on day 1. When elected, you will publicly select two bodyguards to protect you for the rest of the game. While bodyguards are alive, you cannot be targeted by night hits or the roleblocker. Role checks on you will return “Mayor”.

Don't think that's an option.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
January 25 2011 23:34 GMT
#643
On January 26 2011 08:30 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2011 08:21 Jackal58 wrote:
On January 26 2011 08:12 bumatlarge wrote:
A scum mayor is the worst scenario by far, regardless of anything else. This means we will never get information on town numbers. False-claims will be rampant, and it will turn into a clue-crapshoot. I want to avoid this at all cost. For this reason, I believe one of RoL or Kav is scum. It's just way to strong an opportunity to pass up. If we are luky, dr.H was the mafia claim, but seeing as how he had relatively no votes, I don't think this is a viable outcome to put your hopes in.

I feel we should RNG our mayor :/ as right now we have a 50% shot at picking a scum mayor, or we can take a <25% chance at one. I'd like to hear thoughts.

On a BG plan
+ Show Spoiler +
We want to use the census as long as possible because it's basically 1/2 of a coroner everyday. I've been thinking this through and I believe the best option is to splice 4 and 5.

Option 4: Vetclaim: Two Veterans claim, they are chosen as bodyguards.
Upside: Vets are tough to kill, make excellent bodyguards. Essentially make mayor invulnerable for at least 3-4 cycles.
Downside: Reds can STILL claim to mess it up (and they will.) Vets more useful hidden amongst the town, to soak hits. No guarantee this setup has two vets.
Verdict: If it wasn't for the fact that reds can claim, I'd be in support of this idea. I personally think vets would be more useful ensuring we have census for basically the entire game than sitting in the silent majority, hoping they can soak up a hit. However, there's no way a smart mafia team wouldn't have a goon claim vet, with no way to prove/disprove it, and that's a 66% chance we run into the 1 town-1 scum setup. So no.

Option 5: Mayoral preference: Mayor picks his bodyguards, they accept.
Upside: Kav/RoL are both good players, can probably select two greens.
Downside: Kav/RoL aren't infallible, scum mayor can basically screw town over with this by intentionally selecting blues (bluesniping) and making it look accidental when they die, gives all the power to the mayor, something we want to avoid.
Verdict: I don't like it, despite Kav kind of softly pushing for it. I'd vote against this plan.


We have only 1 veteran claim. We should tell him to refresh the thread to avoid multiple claims. He will be first choice. Yes, mafia can claim it, but I'm not entirely sure mafia wants to which I will get to in a minute. The next BG will be chosen by Mayor. He will make the person is believes is most likely a vanilla town. If he is scum, then we can't be sure what he will do, but a mafia BG leaves a nice SK target on his back.

So this would ultimately lead to how badly the other factions want the mayor to die. With 30 people in the game, I believe there are several set-ups.

5 mafia, 2-3SKs.
6-7 mafia, 1-2 SKs
7-8 mafia, No SKs (8 seems highly unlikely)

With a rough 25% of players being non-town, BG chosen by mayor has a good chance of being town. With more mafia then veterans, statistically mafia will be more likely to be 2nd BG. I believe SK has no real purpose in trying to kill mayor within first 3 days. As a lone-wolf, he benefits from information brought to town, and he can blend well until medics and vets start getting counted. He can't really fake why he survived a hit if a mafia about to get lynched accuses him of being an SK. Ultimately, SK wants mayor to state how many mafia, SKs, one other blue role to keep his clam safe. SK should be preoccupied with DT and mafia sniping. For this reason, I do not like censusing DTs til later on, so SKs won't feel safe enough to hit mayor.

Mafia then will take a stab at non-townie mayor very early on. Medics should take a high-priority in protecting BGs, and if both die and mayor is alive, I don't think you should take it off him.

On January 16 2011 15:03 Node wrote:

Mayor
You are the elected leader of the town. Elections will take place on day 1. When elected, you will publicly select two bodyguards to protect you for the rest of the game. While bodyguards are alive, you cannot be targeted by night hits or the roleblocker. Role checks on you will return “Mayor”.

Don't think that's an option.


What isn't? RNG mayor? There are ways, as in everyone posts a number between 1-2, and we add them up. The probability of scum landing a mayor this way is miniscule, and attempting to tamper with it will most likely get screwed. Here I'll start.

2

I cannot change it, and now d3 will be our choice until the next person posts a number. If we set a deadline, mafia can't wait til the last minute.

Our deadline is up in another couple of hours or so. I believe it's a bit late to get the changes in. Maybe not though but we don't have much time left.
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