• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:15
CEST 12:15
KST 19:15
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow5[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy21ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30
Community News
MaNa leaves Team Liquid9$5,000 WardiTV TLMC tournament - Presented by Monster Energy5GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding7Weekly Cups (May 30-Apr 5): herO, Clem, SHIN win0[BSL22] RO32 Group Stage5
StarCraft 2
General
https://open.firstory.me/story/cmnwq4tvh0jtn01ts6k MaNa leaves Team Liquid Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy Quebec Clan still alive ? BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $5,000 WardiTV TLMC tournament - Presented by Monster Energy RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 520 Moving Fees Mutation # 519 Inner Power
Brood War
General
[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL21 General Discussion JD's Ro24 review The Korean Terminology Thread
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro16 Group A Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro24 Group F
Strategy
Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates Muta micro map competition What's the deal with APM & what's its true value
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The China Politics Thread Trading/Investing Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
How Streamers Inspire Gamers…
TrAiDoS
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1735 users

Who 'invented' APM

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 14 15 16 Next All
jca2 *
Profile Joined March 2006
France52 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-02 02:27:19
December 01 2010 22:31 GMT
#1
Hi guys,

Just saw that ad inside SC 2 for the new Razer gears for Starcraft 2. Keyboard and mouse now have "APM Lighting". Basically, the lights on the keyboard or the mouse will change color depending on your live APM:

APM Lighting

I read that ad with a bit of "nostalgie" going back 7 years in the past, right here, on TeamLiquid.net where APM was invented:

Who invented APM?

Maybe some of you did not know about TL back then, but yes, this is the kind of impact that the TL community has on the world of eSports. It got Blizzard to add APM inside SC 2 and Razer inside its devices. Not bad.

A round for TL

Mod Edit: + Show Spoiler [READ] +
I've decided to take mercy upon some of you and to be more up front about teaching this lesson. Before you post, read the entire OP, understand it, and if you have free time even read the next few pages to understand what's going on. Do not immediately regurgitate the first thing that comes to mind. This thread is about jca/bwcharts/TL member contributions, etc. It is not about Razer products. If you fail to read this warning, then you're totally fucked.
APM? Never heard of it...
Xapti
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2473 Posts
December 01 2010 22:35 GMT
#2
I doubt Blizzard had much to do with razer's product. Blizzard maybe just gave a bit of info (if any), and gave permission for razer to make SC themed products.

There's bee post about this APM lighting before, so I'm not sure if this new topic is justified.

User was warned for this post
"Then he told me to tell you that he wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire" — "Well, you tell him that I said that I wouldn't piss on him if he was on Jeopardy!"
Gnarwhal
Profile Joined May 2010
United States33 Posts
December 01 2010 22:36 GMT
#3
This totally reminds me of those old shoes that light up when you take a step :D I really don't think many players ever look at their mouse while focusing on a starcraft game either. But yah, props to TL on the influence!
Hail the mighty Thoughthammer!
eLiE
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1039 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-02 07:15:03
December 01 2010 22:36 GMT
#4
lol, i like the little evolution on that one page. actions/minute, actions per minute, apm's to....APM!

Kind of cool little history fact if it's indeed where APM was born.

EDIT: Reading other posts, JCA, a TL member, was the inventor. Thank you, sir, I raise my glass with the others You made me self-conscious about how fast I spam stuff .

Man, this place is a minefield.....
How's the weather down there?
AndrewZorn
Profile Joined November 2010
United States56 Posts
December 01 2010 22:47 GMT
#5
This ranks among the dumbest "gaming gear" I've ever seen.

OH MAN! My mouse is RED! BASE UNDER ATTACK!!!!!

User was warned for this post
Reno(TE)
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom434 Posts
December 01 2010 22:48 GMT
#6
If my apm drops low, my mouse/keyboard/headset will tell me ... this is meaningless

User was warned for this post
A pro isnt someone who sacrifices themselves for their job, thats just a fool.
JustPlay
Profile Joined September 2010
United States211 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 23:03:30
December 01 2010 22:58 GMT
#7
Their priorities are horrible. How about producing an affordable gaming keyboard with good switches (mx reds ideal, mx browns if not) with NKRO and the option of no numpad? Sorry too busy jamming lights, usb hubs, headphone ports, giant wristrests that nobody wants, useless macro keys that make an even bigger footprint on the desk, and now apm based lighting on to a rubber dome or some mx blues with 2kro and then spending extra development time and money on "gaming optimized" 2kro.

Razer is as bad as steel series. They both put out gimmicky crap and tag "gamer" on it. There's no point at all to lighting on a keyboard/mouse, and there's especially no point to apm based lighting. At least we get the QCK out of steel.

It's sad that for real gaming equipment you are best off avoiding anything with "gaming" in the name like the plague.

User was warned for this post
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
December 01 2010 23:00 GMT
#8
i have a feeling that would distract me and not help me play any better. The most common scenario I keep imagining in my head is im playing just fine but I notice my lighting/colors whatever is low! I panic and proceed to play worse than if I just stuck to what I was doing just fine lol.

User was warned for this post
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
Barett
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada454 Posts
December 01 2010 23:02 GMT
#9
Its been said before but wow is this stupid. How often do you actually take your eyes of the game and look at your mouse/keyboard? lol. I hope no one actually buys this stuff, unless you really like the mouse, which I could understand. But you wouldn't actually use the APM lighting.

User was warned for this post
Gym, Video Games, Laundry.
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
December 01 2010 23:06 GMT
#10
The funny thing is that this probably costs them very, very little to make, and even develop. I could have probably designed one of these in my own house for under $50.

User was warned for this post
Dagon
Profile Joined August 2010
Romania264 Posts
December 01 2010 23:07 GMT
#11
Oh noes! It's AMP TECHNOLOGY all over againz !!1

User was warned for this post
JustPlay
Profile Joined September 2010
United States211 Posts
December 01 2010 23:09 GMT
#12
On December 02 2010 08:06 Archaic wrote:
The funny thing is that this probably costs them very, very little to make, and even develop. I could have probably designed one of these in my own house for under $50.
NKRO is cheap too and you don't see them making keyboards with it. $2 worth of diodes to do it.
Danze
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia219 Posts
December 01 2010 23:15 GMT
#13
Such a lol concept. "Holy shit guyz my keyboard is liek goin all red n stuffz mai Apm is liek hooooooge omgomgomg"

User was warned for this post
Accidentally pissing on toilet rolls since 1991.
Gezz
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom81 Posts
December 01 2010 23:32 GMT
#14
What's the selling point of having gaming gear that changes colour when your APM changes... I just honestly can't see what they were thinking when they came up with the concept.

User was warned for this post
HurtnTime
Profile Joined September 2002
United States296 Posts
December 01 2010 23:42 GMT
#15
JCA's BWChart coding APM's really high!

Cheers.
vxl
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden64 Posts
December 01 2010 23:44 GMT
#16
On December 02 2010 08:32 Gezz wrote:I just honestly can't see what they were thinking when they came up with the concept.

They were thinking money, and that's what they'll get. Believe it or not these things do sell, many people don't care about optimal performance, they just want something "cool".

User was warned for this post
LoLAdriankat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4307 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 23:54:01
December 01 2010 23:53 GMT
#17
They were using the Banshee (the headset) at the All-Stars Invitational. If anything, the lighting is there to look cool rather than be useful, and I agree, the lighting looks pretty cool.

User was warned for this post
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
December 02 2010 00:02 GMT
#18
I wouldn't mind the feature if it were on a decent mouse and I didn't have to pay a ridiculous amount for it, but it's pure bling, no usefulness whatsoever. The game alert integration seems somewhat useful, but would be more useful if it were on a keyboard, since I'm never looking toward my mouse hand.

Funniest thing to me about that ad is how most players' APM is highest when they're building their economy, even though that's a "low APM situation".

User was warned for this post
We found Dove in a soapless place.
forgotten0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States951 Posts
December 02 2010 00:03 GMT
#19
Anyone else read this topic as "APM Lightning"?

I had to use this garbage at Blizzcon, and there is no way I'd use it, even if someone payed me. It's THAT bad.

User was warned for this post
"Well it’s obvious that these Terran gamers are just extremely gifted when it comes to RTS games" -Ret, in regards to the first months of SC2
Redunzl
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
862 Posts
December 02 2010 00:05 GMT
#20
I invented APM

User was warned for this post
1 2 3 4 5 14 15 16 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Afreeca Starleague
10:00
Ro16 Group A
Soma vs YSC
Sharp vs sSak
Afreeca ASL 8054
StarCastTV_EN162
Liquipedia
Replay Cast
09:00
WardiTV Mondays #78
CranKy Ducklings107
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft376
SortOf 123
ProTech58
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 27063
Calm 5306
Jaedong 2798
Bisu 2000
Horang2 1991
BeSt 676
firebathero 405
Larva 336
Zeus 265
actioN 246
[ Show more ]
Stork 245
EffOrt 239
Pusan 214
ZerO 164
Light 103
Killer 86
Soulkey 60
Mind 44
ToSsGirL 42
Hm[arnc] 20
soO 19
yabsab 18
GoRush 18
ajuk12(nOOB) 14
Movie 14
Terrorterran 13
Bale 12
Sacsri 8
SilentControl 7
Dota 2
XcaliburYe188
NeuroSwarm120
febbydoto10
League of Legends
JimRising 401
Counter-Strike
shoxiejesuss954
zeus873
olofmeister365
byalli269
kRYSTAL_29
Other Games
singsing962
crisheroes238
Mew2King37
QueenE6
Pyrionflax3
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV558
Counter-Strike
PGL463
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 187
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH232
• LUISG 25
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP3
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• TFBlade1089
• Stunt859
Upcoming Events
Wardi Open
45m
Monday Night Weeklies
5h 45m
OSC
13h 45m
Afreeca Starleague
23h 45m
Snow vs PianO
hero vs Rain
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
23h 45m
GSL
1d 1h
Replay Cast
1d 22h
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
3 days
[ Show More ]
Escore
3 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
5 days
IPSL
5 days
WolFix vs nOmaD
dxtr13 vs Razz
BSL
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
6 days
Ladder Legends
6 days
BSL
6 days
IPSL
6 days
JDConan vs TBD
Aegong vs rasowy
Replay Cast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Bisu vs Ample
Jaedong vs Flash
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W2
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W3
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
RSL Revival: Season 5
WardiTV TLMC #16
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.