EPTDon't lose yo village!
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2.Do they have a normal kp thing? 3.Does bodyguard still get converted? | ||
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I think that 'what you meant but just so people aren't dumb :p | ||
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*sighs* | ||
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On November 12 2010 12:43 LSB wrote: Actually. Here's a rough outline of a plan. Everyone roleclaims. This way we know what should happen. Then the tracker claims, and the shrink protects the tracker. The tracker then looks at conflicts see which roles are doubled up on, and then see if one of the people wasn't honest and visited someone else. What do you think? 1.Eveeryone claims. Mafia will convert dt's/maybe even doctor. 2.What if they convert the tracker? We can't even know if its' the tracker they converted. 3.If its vanilla townie, o snap. We revealed everything for nothing. Mass roleclaims are almost never good. | ||
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Why? | ||
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On November 14 2010 02:43 Glasse wrote: i'd suggest that the shrink guy protects himself for the first night :3 doctor can rng as the mafia pick will probably be random as well No. Shrink has to protect LSB. Or at the very least, RNG between him and another player. Here's why I'm a bit upset: LSB you shouldn't have claimed. Here's the scenario: You check someone. You're also confirmed. right now, there's a 1/3 chance you will find someone. Actualy, 2/9 chance it will actually lead to a mafia. Right now I'm debating whether you should check someone in particular or do it randomly. I'l lay out what we should do once this question is answered; 1.Is it like mafia has one person to send in kills? Aka, if LSB checked a mafia, there's only a 50% chance he would be able to be tracked? Or is it if LSB tracks a mafia, he automatically finds that it leads to the victim, regardless of who sent the kill? | ||
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We don't know if artanis is confirmed, barring other clam's/calms claim. But someone would have had to die for that to happen. So here: Artanis, since it doesn't matter, are you calm or clam. then if someone counter claims, we caught ya'. | ||
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If it's a townie, then you know he's confirmed because he didn't do anything. If it's a doctor, then you would know he's confirmed because he didn't hit Artanis(assuming artanis is town, which shall be found out via the above.) So there's no way to know who is. | ||
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An Analysis of Dr. H: Summary: Dr.H strikes me as more mafia than town. Note how he has been playing this game, almost like he doesn't care. Note in Insane mafia, the game where he was town, he was constantly talking, contributing, trying to actively find out whos town. In this game, he's hardly contributed at all! More so, he's contradicted himself by saying we should pressure people and now says we shouldn't because it's pointless. Furthormore still, the fact he has been saying we need to actively scum hunt and pressure people is conflicting with the fact HE HAS DONE NEITHER. Finally, the icing on the cake is the fact he wasn't shot, when in all truth he was probably the most likely to get shot/converted. His posts: On November 12 2010 13:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote: thought you were talking to me when you said doctor >_> Irrelevant. On November 12 2010 13:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: and the mafia will just circumvent that by mindcontrolling everyone else lol One line contribution. On November 13 2010 05:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: he was good in both games imo Irrelevant. spam. On November 14 2010 08:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I really don't like the idea of everyone knowing what the shrink/doctors are gonna do. If we direct the blues that easily then the mafia simply only have to do exactly the opposite of what they shrink has claimed to do in the thread. If the mafia know the shrink is protecting player x, they will just never convert player x, meaning they will never fail in their conversion. The doctor and the shrink should feel comfortable acting on their own discretion. You need to understand what the best targets for mafia are. For death, strong blues (like LSB) will be the main target. For conversion, veterans/good players (myself, LSB) will be the strongest targets. Try to predict what the mafia are going to do, don't give them information. If we're going to do some sort of mass roleclaim thing, it needs to be set-up so that the mafia are forced to give the town bogus information. Mafia want to play the game giving as little information as possible in regards to everything, forcing them to come out of the woodwork is what will make them slip-up. Don't be scared to pressure. I don't like this post. For one, he's basically saying we shouldn't help the shrink/doctor. But we have been saying (for the most part) that the doctor should RNG between people. Of course we're going to protect LSB via the shrink, that's the most logical thing to do. Note we have to say this so we are sure, he says "well then mafia will just convert someone else" but we have to make it so they don't convet other people. Also keep in mind that one of them would have to die if they want to convert, so that is even less of a point. Furthormore, he says don't do what people in thread are saying. But again, the doctor is free to do his own choice. We are giving him valuable advice, mafia don't know if the person is going to follow it. Also note he says mafia wants to play the game giving as little information as possible, and don't be scared to pressure. Later note he never pressures, and he gives hardly any analysis/information. One of the main things about this post is that it doesn't really help with our situation, it just gives general advice. That's one of the favorite things for mafia to do, just pretend to help via "generic" advice while not contributing to the matters at hand. On November 14 2010 08:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Also town, if you feel someone is pretty strongly pro-town I'd advise you not to tell the town (hey I think player X is definitely a townie) wait and watch, mafia might try to make a bad case on that person and fall into the trap. it's ok to keep your thoughts to yourself. we don't need to know everything you're thinking and the mafia CERTAINLY don't. I do not like this AT ALL. First of all, we SHOULD be talking about in thread who we feel is pro town. Just because mafia "might" try to make a bad case on a person is a horrible reason to shush discussion about who we feel is pro town. If you make your point now, then mafia aren't going to attack them at all. In fact, mafia probably won't attack those clearly pro town players since they'd have no proof. All this is doing is limiting discussion, which I DO NOT LIKE. *yawn*. I still don't get how this would work. On November 14 2010 14:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote: That is true. You're also the best target in the case of there being no mafia suspects. We need to scumhunt instead of putting pressure on you. You never respond well to it anyway, it's pointless. This is what really set me off and made me decide to do this analysis. Dr. H has not been scum hunting, and this is the first time he comes out and defends someone(out of the blue basically.) In addition, HES CONTRADICTING HIMSELF. Previously he said "Don't be afraid to pressure people" now he's saying "we need to scum hunt instead of putting pressure on you." BUT NOTE HES NOT DOING EITHER. Also saying it's pointless is false, pressure is always informative. On November 15 2010 03:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote: he didn't say he was neither calm nor clam he said he was either calm or clam, he just doesn't know which one big difference. we can't just accept artanis as 100% town. vet is one of the best fakeclaims for a mafia, but something about his play doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me as mafia. he's at the bottom of my suspects list really wish he refused to answer that question about his role pm. would have been such a good trap if he said he was calm and then some mafia said "well im clam" Makes a very vauge analysis on ARtanis(something doesn't seem right to me about his play if he were mafia, but I won't elaborate.) Also Artanis IS confirmed if a calm/clam doesn't reveal that they in fact did get a specific role(aka clam or calm.) So I don't like how he's saying he's not. And then he says "I don't think he's mafia." Again, not a total contradiction, but should be noted. On November 15 2010 03:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i would think i'd be the day 1 target maybe mafia predicted i would be protected by a doctor or they're doing the same strategy I did in Micro Mafia Redemption where we intentionally avoided hitting vets so I wouldn't fall under suspicion for being the "last vet alive" Agreed. Why did scum not target you. Why did they decide to hit Artanis instead. It just doesn't make sense to me. Again, it's possible that they thought you would be protected, but that's not that likely. | ||
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Also would like to hear feedback from other players(like KtheZ) | ||
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as in "dang was hoping we caught a scum" and "Was hoping he would claim clam and than mafia claims calm" or something. | ||
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On November 15 2010 01:50 Pandain wrote: In addition, LSB who is confirmed. Why should you tell? Obviously in case I'm missing something mull this over, but here's my thoughts: If it's a townie, then you know he's confirmed because he didn't do anything. If it's a doctor, then you would know he's confirmed because he didn't hit Artanis(assuming artanis is town, which shall be found out via the above.) So there's no way to know who is. LSB what about this. In addition, I think you should track Dr. H tonight, and doctor and shrink both protect you. | ||
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On November 15 2010 04:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote: "doctor and shrink both protect LSB so we can convert DrH and kill someone else" If you'ure converted, another mafia dies. In addition, your already highly suscipcious to me(i'll respond to your post later) | ||
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