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Stacked Viking TvT, a way to nullify their stack

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TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
October 26 2010 10:26 GMT
#1
So, many of us saw the usage of patrol stacked vikings in TvT that enabled boxer to snipe off some incoming units in his RO64 match. What many might not have seen is something that was shown in mvp's match against SoundWerra (I dont know if he did it intentionally, but its where I first noticed it).

What is this thing? A way to dodge missiles from vikings. This can be used in the early game to conserve as much energy as you possibly can, and can be used against patrol clustered vikings to let your own vikings get in unscathed for the first volley (put the cloaked banshee slightly ahead of the vikings then cloak as it runs in). There may be other uses as well, but this is what I came up with so far.



As it turns out, SC2 has its own share of tricks that are still in that we havent seen yet. This trick with cloak works with any units that use missile attacks, I dont have a list... but marauders and stalkers and other units like that have missile attacks.
Mithhaike
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore2759 Posts
October 26 2010 10:29 GMT
#2
haha that is actually a good way to prevent any losses of unit for you to get the 1st shot off. normally is i suicide one viking to the overkill.

nice trick tho, i will be sure to have that kept in mind
Mew Mew Pew Pew
Detectable
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway58 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-26 10:33:29
October 26 2010 10:32 GMT
#3
This sounds nice, at least in theory, but it's pretty much impossible to know his number of vikings when they are patrolling like that, so if unless you happen to be pretty much equal in vikingcount, I dont see how nullifying the first volley will really help you.
Nonetheless, this is certainly interesting, and has its uses if you know how many vikings he got
"Oh it's easy, just lose your whole fucking base!" -Day[9]
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
October 26 2010 10:34 GMT
#4
Well, if you keep Banshee's infront of your Vikings will the enemy Vikings prioritize your Banshees over Vikings because of proximity? If so you could decloak / cloak to eat up more vollies during a fight.
Detectable
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway58 Posts
October 26 2010 10:39 GMT
#5
I guess. If you are actually able to pull that off, it will be huge. *Logging on Starcraft to find some TvT*
"Oh it's easy, just lose your whole fucking base!" -Day[9]
Daria
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia500 Posts
October 26 2010 10:45 GMT
#6
Interesting find, but I'm sure that if a bunch of mutas came, all those vikings
daria[e]
Inkarnate
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada840 Posts
October 26 2010 11:47 GMT
#7
On October 26 2010 19:45 LyRa wrote:
Interesting find, but I'm sure that if a bunch of mutas came, all those vikings


Title says TvT?
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
October 26 2010 11:52 GMT
#8
not new :p also most tvt players have a raven in their mix on top of that u almost never see more than 5 stacked vikings because u dont want to overkill in case opponents viking comes in for a battle
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
Detectable
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway58 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-26 12:07:06
October 26 2010 12:05 GMT
#9
On October 26 2010 20:52 MorroW wrote:
not new :p also most tvt players have a raven in their mix on top of that u almost never see more than 5 stacked vikings because u dont want to overkill in case opponents viking comes in for a battle


How is the Raven detection range compared to the 9 range on the Vikings? I assume keeping the Raven in front of the Vikings will be a terrible idea in most cases. Although the PDD will prevent the enemy Vikings from sniping your own patrolling Vikings, the banshee can still cloak, basically just making sure the PDD will even out the battle, instead of giving an advantage
"Oh it's easy, just lose your whole fucking base!" -Day[9]
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
October 26 2010 12:19 GMT
#10
A couple of Thors would have fun with those Vikings.
whatsgrackalackin420
Levi
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany45 Posts
October 26 2010 13:22 GMT
#11
it´s a mechanic that was fixed in one of the patches .... first it was the case that marouder missiles hit an other unit if the targeted unit was load in a medivac, than they fixed it that the missile hits nothing .. its the same case with cloak .. the units vanish and there is no target anymore

but interesting thing^^
Protoss_Carrier
Profile Joined September 2010
414 Posts
October 26 2010 13:27 GMT
#12
hmm, very interesting!
Carrier has arrived.
Perscienter
Profile Joined June 2010
957 Posts
October 26 2010 13:28 GMT
#13
Good to know. Thanks.
lowercase
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1047 Posts
October 26 2010 13:30 GMT
#14
On October 26 2010 21:05 Detectable wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2010 20:52 MorroW wrote:
not new :p also most tvt players have a raven in their mix on top of that u almost never see more than 5 stacked vikings because u dont want to overkill in case opponents viking comes in for a battle


How is the Raven detection range compared to the 9 range on the Vikings? I assume keeping the Raven in front of the Vikings will be a terrible idea in most cases. Although the PDD will prevent the enemy Vikings from sniping your own patrolling Vikings, the banshee can still cloak, basically just making sure the PDD will even out the battle, instead of giving an advantage

Vikings devour PDD energy, it takes two shots of the laser to stop each salvo (of two missiles) from each viking.
That is not dead which can eternal lie...
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
October 26 2010 13:42 GMT
#15
I realized this while watching the gsl games last season and just thought it was a freak incident, thanks for confirming it.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-26 13:45:58
October 26 2010 13:45 GMT
#16
The bigger question is whether or not something like this should be allowed to stay in the game?
You have to look at it objectively for all it's uses and abuses. Could a perfectly executed cloak/decloak/cloak potentially absorb all damage?

I think the use of this is mostly just lucky and would only work on a player who doesn't know about it. Once players are aware of it, I don't see it being very useful at all really.

I think this should be patched. would love to hear counter arguments though, because i'm too tired to think up any of my own atm.

PS- does the glitch work when u have detection?
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
October 26 2010 13:50 GMT
#17
Sounds comparable to lift/drop tricks, so I hope this stays.
My strategy is to fork people.
Xahhk
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada540 Posts
October 26 2010 13:56 GMT
#18
I think it adds some twitch gaming sense, the missles fired from vikings are not exactly slow. It also adds an opportunity cost to leaving vikings in a stacked patrol ball.
Gwypaas
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden41 Posts
October 26 2010 14:12 GMT
#19
Not surprising since Wc3 has exactly the same mechanic. Would be interesting if anyone could get anything useful out of it though.
AcrossFiveJulys
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States3612 Posts
October 26 2010 14:16 GMT
#20
Wouldn't this not work if they had detection nearby? So why not just fly your banshee in cloaked rather than cloaking at the last second?
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