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mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
October 24 2010 19:19 GMT
#1
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HEY LISTEN!


Hello TL. What's happenin'?

I know we've had our share of rough times, it ain't always sunshine and daisies on the internet. I started out as a regular poster on your boards, I admit most if not all my posts were in General and I hardly ever dabbled in BW Strat so I can't comment on many things with too much authority, but I can tell you one thing -- BW was bigger than all of us. This is a fact that we understand, a fact that we've come to accept; and it has humbled us in our endeavors.

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I went there.


For many of us, BW taught us a stern lesson in humility. No matter smart you were, someone was smarter; no matter how fast you were, someone was faster; no matter how well you played, someone played better. It was just the natural order of things. People knew that no matter how hard they were trying, someone out there in that little-big community of ours, someone was trying harder. People understood that improvement in BW was a self-reflective process. You had to find it in yourself to win, you had to understand that the reason you lost is because you made mistakes and to get better you had to come to terms with them. It wasn't about what your opponent did right, it was about what you did wrong.

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SC2 Strat.


So what's changed? Why is it that since SC2's release everyone has forgotten what it was like to be humble? SC2 strat is filled with countless discussions about balance because people don't want to admit that they are bad. You can see it in the way they formulate their posts. They give general overviews of what they think is wrong WITH THE GAME as opposed to with their own play. They hardly ever provide their own replays as evidence because they know -- let me repeat that -- they KNOW that there are other reasons they lost. They just decide to ignore them.

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"Here's what I think would fix it..."


The game isn't perfect, I'll give you that; but you gotta level with me, the game isn't massively flawed either. The word imbalance has been used so much that the meaning has been warped into uselessness. Imbalance doesn't mean something is harder to do than something else, imbalance means something is impossible to do. A balanced game does not mean every race is homogeneous, it means there is equal OPPORTUNITY to win. So what if, certain races are harder to play? Should we nerf Protoss in BW because D level players find them "imbalanced"?

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This guy just played 500 ladder games. He isn't exhausted, he's just tired of your bullshit.


The next time you make a thread in SC2 Strat just think for a minute or two, was it really impossible for you to win that game? Could you not have won if you played a little smarter or faster? Then, maybe instead of making some smug passing comment in a thread about how impossible it is you might want to suck it up, post your replay, and try and improve instead of using TL as your personal soapbox (the irony!!).

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Don't underestimate the pony.


I think most of all we need to remember what site this is. This isn't bnet forums or some feel good suggestion forum. This is TeamLiquid. We play the game because we love it, we do things because they are challenging, and we're elitists 'cause we tell it how it is.
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
October 24 2010 19:21 GMT
#2
+1, but hopefully everyone should know this already (but I know they don't so meh)
We talkin about PRACTICE
jamesr12
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1549 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-24 19:22:30
October 24 2010 19:21 GMT
#3
amen to that brother

edit: you should sticky this at the top on the sc2 strat forum
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306479
TicketoHELL
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada368 Posts
October 24 2010 19:23 GMT
#4
+1

User was warned for this post
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Sergeras
Profile Joined May 2010
Bulgaria185 Posts
October 24 2010 19:25 GMT
#5
Great read I totally agree with this.
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
October 24 2010 19:26 GMT
#6
People making imba claims should now be banned until they pass a 20 question quiz over mahnini's post.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Toads
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1795 Posts
October 24 2010 19:26 GMT
#7
Really really interesting. I agree about everything you say. I feel the same way about people use the young age of the game to excuse those error and don't understand what just happen
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Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
October 24 2010 19:27 GMT
#8
Everyone should have to read this, everyone!
RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9950 Posts
October 24 2010 19:28 GMT
#9
I heard the pony has ties to both Al Qaeda and Santa Claus. Do not underestimate it.
Moderatorsometimes I get intimidated by the size of my right testicle
Ghazwan
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Netherlands444 Posts
October 24 2010 19:29 GMT
#10
Very nice read. I joined TL when the SC2 beta started, and day by day, I notice an increasing difference between bw forums and sc2 forums in terms of attitude. Your post makes a good analysis of why that's the case. Thumbs up!
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
October 24 2010 19:30 GMT
#11
Thanks manhini for writing this ^^ It covers a lot of the frustrations of sc2 strategy forum =_=
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Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-24 19:31:52
October 24 2010 19:31 GMT
#12
I rarely ever read the starcraft 2 strategy forum, I'd rather watch the pros play and just learn from that. But thanks for bringing up the issue as to why alot of us don't read that forum section.
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Ursadon-n-Pals
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States928 Posts
October 24 2010 19:32 GMT
#13
On October 25 2010 04:28 RaGe wrote:
I heard the pony has ties to both Al Qaeda and Santa Claus. Do not underestimate it.


D:

Well this needs to be pinned or spotlighted so this can become a better place with rainbows and everything ^_^
Nothing worth having comes easy.
sc2lime
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada513 Posts
October 24 2010 19:32 GMT
#14
Great read. Spotlight please!
ScarletKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States691 Posts
October 24 2010 19:33 GMT
#15
That's why I never go to the SC2 strat forum. Very well written and completely agreed.
Looks like I picked the wrong week the quit sniffing glue
AyJay
Profile Joined April 2010
1515 Posts
October 24 2010 19:34 GMT
#16
There are always those kind of people. I'm pretty sure there were people in BW complaining about balance *cough artosis* *cough Idra* *
Keype
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden455 Posts
October 24 2010 19:36 GMT
#17
Thanks I hope this helped alot of ous all! And reminded of ous that no one is perfect, well written and good time to post Teamliquid forever!
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Wonderballs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada253 Posts
October 24 2010 19:36 GMT
#18
I still think no chat channels is imba. 4v4 6 pools and cannon rushes are also lame though

Agree with everything you said;.
Good read, funny pics... I knew Navi was going to be there when I saw the topic title.
I thought Jesus would come back before Starcraft 2.
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
October 24 2010 19:36 GMT
#19
You're pretty awesome, xcetron.

Thanks for the awesome post that is definitely needed. <3
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QuothTheRaven
Profile Joined December 2008
United States5524 Posts
October 24 2010 19:39 GMT
#20
I hate this logic of "I lost this game, so there most be something wrong with the balance" when the answer is (almost) always "I lost this game, but I would have won if I improved x, y, and z in my play."

That dedication to ironing out flaws in your play and strengthening your game is what made the BroodWar community so wonderful and interesting.
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