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[Update] Latest in KeSPA - Gretech negotiations

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Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-01 03:35:39
August 31 2010 14:42 GMT
#1
More News (Source: http://fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=110296&db=issue)

KeSPA, while explaining the background behind why they started considering force starting the 2010~2011 Proleague, claimed that Gretech has refused to sign off on Proleague.

We know that KeSPA has met with Gretech 4 times, and said that it was impossible to reimburse Gretech regarding Proleague, and the negotiations ended there.

However, there are some new information that came into light. KeSPA has revealed that they would like to pay for intellectual property rights, and that Gretech has refused this, and claimed that Gretech has refused to sign off on the Proleague because of GSL.

One person who has participated in the negotiations, has said that "KeSPA, from the very beginning, has shown willingness to reimburse intellectual property fees for the Proleague", adding that "While they do have an income from broadcasting rights of the Proleague, but because this is all used to operate the Proleague, they might as well not have any income", and said that they have shown all related budget accounts. Continuing, they have asked Gretech "Even though Proleague does not have any real profits, we will pay intellectual property fees, so how much does Gretech want?"

However, Gretech, starting with the beginning of the 4th negotiation, has said that "We cannot sign off on the Proleague, since it will compete with the GSL", and KeSPA reacted saying that "If you refuse to sign off on the Proleague, that's like saying we shouldn't be negotiating". Continuing, Gretech, rather than talking about intellectual property fees, has demanded "Reimbursement for the GSL", and KeSPA has rejected the guidelines set by Gretech.

The person added that "Since this is an NDA, we cannot reveal everything about the negotiations, but there are a lot of people are using wrong information and is reading the situation wrong", and said that "I really want to reveal everything about the negotiations and be judged on who is making the wrong judgments here"




First, make sure to read up on MBC - Gretech negotiations

As we know, KeSPA and Gretech first entered negotiations in June 23rd, and officially entered into an NDA, and started the main part of the negotiations early August. It's been confirmed that they have had 4 meetings since then -- however, the 4 meetings did not go anywhere, as they ended simply by confirming the positions of each side.

KeSPA's position is that "Because we don't make any profit from the Proleague, and the 11 progame teams all pay quite a considerable amount of money for team operations and the board of directors free, it's quite difficult to pay Gretech reimbursement in any sort of currency."

Gretech has said "If KeSPA rejects negotiations related to monetary payments, then from an industry operation viewpoint, let us know how you will reimburse Gretech", and "Since there may be a lot of noise if we reveal the amount of monetary payment we want and may look like we're forcing the amount, let us know if you have a monetary payment in mind".

The negotiations also included things related to the GSL. Regarding the GSL, Gretech has said "If Proleague goes on without any monetary reimbursement, then from our position, we can end up in a position where we're not guaranteed any profits as GSL can be damaged because of the Proleague", adding that "Because KeSPA has boycotted the GomTV Classic in the past, the GSL can be damaged again due to the Proleague schedule". Responding to this, KeSPA has revealed that "Because we have decided to pay a usage fee for the Intellectual property for the Proleague, we have no reason to promote Starcraft 2 or help GomTV. If Gretech is like this, then there isn't any more point of negotiations".

Because of this, there are opinions within KeSPA to force the operation of the 10~11 Proleague season. Upon operating the 10~11 Proleague season, if Gretech starts an issue related to IP Rights, then they will deal with after the fact, and in the worst case scenario of the season being forcibly stopped, that they would be willing to disband all the progame teams.

Regarding this, someone related to Gretech has remarked "If we can settle this and reach an agreement, that would be the best conclusion, but if the Proleague starts without negotiations, then they will not be able to avoid legal consequences"

Meanwhile, the KOCCA has remarked that they will do their best to make the negotiations happen.

Source: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=110288&db=issue&cate=001&page=1&field=&kwrd=
Source 2: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=110289&db=issue&cate=001&page=1&field=&kwrd=
gillon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1578 Posts
August 31 2010 14:44 GMT
#2
Sounds like shit has hit the fan.
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DarkspearTribe
Profile Joined August 2010
568 Posts
August 31 2010 14:47 GMT
#3
What I'm reading is KeSPA doesn't want anything to do with sc2 and GomTv doesn't want proleague schedule to damage GSL.

Completely understandable for Gom.
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
August 31 2010 14:49 GMT
#4
Sigh.... Assholes.... Both....
NoiR
pR0gR4m3R
Profile Joined February 2008
Spain1446 Posts
August 31 2010 14:49 GMT
#5
Whats the KOCCA??
StarCraft-ESP.com Admin - Spanish StarCraft Community
Killmour
Profile Joined March 2010
United States105 Posts
August 31 2010 14:49 GMT
#6
I love how Kespa tries to say it cares about E-sports, what a colossal joke, even a total idiot can see through their bullshit.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50716 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-31 14:53:23
August 31 2010 14:49 GMT
#7
On August 31 2010 23:44 gillon wrote:
Sounds like shit has hit the fan.


well then they need to decide to run or stand.
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Pholon
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands6142 Posts
August 31 2010 14:50 GMT
#8
disgusting beyond expression.
Moderator@TLPholon // "I need a third hand to facepalm right now"
night terrors
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
China1284 Posts
August 31 2010 14:50 GMT
#9
Completely understandable for KeSPA as well.
Through high and low, bisu boy, through high and low.
metaldragon
Profile Joined October 2009
United States251 Posts
August 31 2010 14:51 GMT
#10
I honestly Dont Know what Kespa is thinking....

Its like there at the poker table with a pair of 2's going all in while they KNOW blizzard is sitting on a Full house.


With the Gsl prize money being so high im sure there are TONS of high level pro gamers that have been dying to play the new game and have a shot at the $$.

At Best Kespa will hurt blizzard in korea some and at worst the disband a profitable proleague for nothing and Sc2 goes on in korea without a beat.

Before the GSL Kespa had a much stronger position.....
Killmour
Profile Joined March 2010
United States105 Posts
August 31 2010 14:53 GMT
#11
On August 31 2010 23:51 metaldragon wrote:


At Best Kespa will hurt blizzard in korea some and at worst the disband a profitable proleague for nothing and Sc2 goes on in korea without a beat.



Exactly, Kespa's attitude of our way or we will have a temper tantrum and disband the pro-league is just stupid.
ChaosSmurf
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United Kingdom175 Posts
August 31 2010 14:53 GMT
#12
I like the bit where GOM basically say YEAH WHO'S GOT WHO BY THE BALLS NOW, KESPA, TEACH YOU TO FUCKING BOYCOTT OUR SHIT.

I don't like how fucked up the situation is.
Nesto
Profile Joined November 2009
Switzerland1318 Posts
August 31 2010 14:53 GMT
#13
what the hell...

Gretech... you think GSL would survive if you forcibly stop the proleague and force the disbanding of the proleague teams? imagine the outrage..

and for Kespa... simply fuck off... it just seems they only care about the money they make with SCBW and want to make sure, that they don't have any competition from GSL / SC2...
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
August 31 2010 14:56 GMT
#14
and in the end the fans are the ones getting hurt by all of this...

oh well nonetheless thanks for the info Milkis, eventough its more sad news
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-31 14:57:35
August 31 2010 14:57 GMT
#15
On August 31 2010 23:53 Nesto wrote:
what the hell...

Gretech... you think GSL would survive if you forcibly stop the proleague and force the disbanding of the proleague teams? imagine the outrage..

and for Kespa... simply fuck off... it just seems they only care about the money they make with SCBW and want to make sure, that they don't have any competition from GSL / SC2...


kespa is nonprofit. Kespa is probably saying "fuck you" to sc2 cause they have emotional issues against Blizzard.

Gregsen
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Germany667 Posts
August 31 2010 14:59 GMT
#16
I guess it will be better if I stop posting on this issue.

This is getting too much for me.
Boycott Activision whenever, wherever you can.
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
August 31 2010 15:00 GMT
#17
"Because we have decided to pay a usage fee for the Intellectual property for the Proleague, we have no reason to promote Starcraft 2 or help GomTV. If Gretech is like this, then there isn't any more point of negotiations".


WTF is Gretech doing!??!?! If kespa is paying then there is no NEED TO PROMOTE SC2 .. wtf fucking cunts
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
SoJu.WeRRa
Profile Joined June 2010
Korea (South)820 Posts
August 31 2010 15:01 GMT
#18
... confuse more and more
나를 찢어갈겨이씨발놈아왜나를미치게만들어니가뭘아는데?
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 31 2010 15:03 GMT
#19
On August 31 2010 23:49 Killmour wrote:
I love how Blizzard tries to say it cares about E-sports, what a colossal joke, even a total idiot can see through their bullshit.


Fixed with my bias.
darkness overpowering
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
August 31 2010 15:04 GMT
#20
What the fuck.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
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