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aw, ace isn't playing
how am I supposed to place a random start of day1 vote now 
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##vote bm##
in the last game where he was town, he posted a bunch. This game he hasn't posted at all.
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wow, with that much anger from rol, you'd think ace was in the game
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Right now, I'm seeing cynan as our best target. He basically says the day1 lynch will suck because of lack of information. Perfect way for scum to hide and makes a good excuse for not contributing. Then he says the rol drawing attention is the thing that he noticed most. Odd that trying to create discussion and drawing attention to himself, both very pro town reads, is the thing he noticed most. The states a very obvious fact that we should compare behavior to previous games.
This looks super characteristic of the "I'm mafia pretending to contribute" gameplan.
##vote CynanMachae##
Also, now that bm has joined the party, he's acting like himself again and he's slightly pro town to me. As long as he's posting, there's no reason we should lynch bm day1 because it should be painfully obvious in a day or two if he's mafia based on his posts.
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read the rest of the thread, and have class now. It definitely bothers me that the mafia aren't doing anything meaning they're perfectly happy with where the votes are now. I'll be back in ~90 mins to post more thoughts before night.
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you know, I was considering putting my vote on flamewheel, but then I looked more closely between him and L. L really hasn't done much of anything this game and explicitly said he was sitting back and waiting. Then instead of trying to do much behavioral analysis, he just shows up and does some crap with votelists and magical theories then votes flamewheel.
I'm still not happy with flamewheel's vote on rol because I really do think he's town, but at this point, I think its really likely that flamewheel or L is mafia. At this point, because of his relative inactivity and lack of useful posts, I'm going to go for L.
##Vote L##
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can we please lynch L now? Let's not let him pull an ace and live for another day.
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lets lynch L just to be sure he's not zombie mafia now
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ok, I reread foolishness and at first, I looked at the end and tried to find a connection between kf91 and him, but as I looked through the earlier parts, I saw that foolishness spread all his discussion evenly and put a ton of work into promoting discussion.
I am going to make a proposition: let's assume foolishness is town. If he's mafia, we should just gg now because he's going to lead us in circles and the rest of us are too lazy to do anything about it so we'd be screwed anyway. If he's town and we lynch him, we lose anyway, so I say we leave him alone for now.
going to put a vote on kf91 for now just so I don't get modkilled.
##vote kf91
I'll go reread more people tomorrow and hopefully post something good.
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ok, pbpa on kf91 incoming. Yesterday, I just had a gut feeling about him and didn't really have a case. Lets see what happens when I reread him.
1,2. newb post, acting or not? Defers to more experienced players
3. "why vote for me?"
4. instantly in love with L
5. wants to kill inactives. somewhat contradicts the idea that he's a newb
6. says that post was to induce activity
7. getting defensive
8. essentially arguing that we have no information and should lynch randomly. This is advocating a very pro mafia play, trying to undermine the towns only advantage
9. weak vote on flamewheel for being "too wordy". This vote stays there the whole day
10. interesting. critizing L and flamewheel. The two dead people.
11. long list of accusations. RoL and I basically.
One interesting thing I did notice in his last post is how he talks about foolishness disagreeing with everything he said basically. I reread it and the dynamic established between them is definitely worth looking at. Based on his last post where he refuses to comment on foolishness, I'm going to keep my vote there and seriously consider RoL's foolishness/kf theory.
and since my last vote probably didn't go through
##vote kf91##
Right now, I'm going to reread L and flamewheel and see if anything good comes up.
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On March 31 2010 08:30 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2010 08:24 L wrote:On March 31 2010 08:17 Foolishness wrote:On March 31 2010 07:25 KF91 wrote:
Although some people are saying that L is too argumentative or too persuasive, I think he is pretty smart and he would be able to bring lots of ideas in the later days of the game; so I don't think we should vote to lynch him tonight. Which is interesting that you bring this up now considering L's longest post has been a massive 5 liner, and nearly all his posts can easily be warranted a "NOBODY CARES" from me. But hey, I guess I can't talk since I wouldn't vote for him either at this point. At any rate, Cynan's yet to say much as well. Love the people randomly voting now though. NOBODY CARES. Talk about targets. It's cool if you don't want to talk or give your opinions on who to kill. Great way to avoid getting yourself killed. "Oh hey guys, I know people always follow my bandwagon cause they're idiots, so I'll just let you guys figure out who to kill, and I'll just sit here and watch the fun and not say anything". Actually, that's a pretty ingenious plan now that I think about it. Sorry for blowing your cover. Guess you maybe are as smart as people make you out to be. ALL HAIL L THE VET!
wow. I just noticed that. Does anyone have any examples of foolishness posting stuff with the intention of discrediting a vet as town because I have one where he does it as mafia:
+ Show Spoiler +On March 15 2010 09:38 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2010 08:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Random list of suspects These are people that currently seem fishy in some sense that make them stand out in my mind. I will attempt to do my best at giving a reason why. To start with Xelin + Show Spoiler +He has been “active” thus far. As in he ran in the election, although it went no where. On March 11 2010 07:30 XeliN wrote:
I'm going to put myself forward for office, wasn't going to as I have an essay due tomorrow and didnt expect to be able to pay attention to this but seems like I'm going to be able to due to my laziness//need to procrastinate.
I think I am good at analysing peoples allignment from their posts, and is something that I've gotten better at the more games I've played.
DT's being able to rolecheck elected also means that I could be trusted early on and co-ordinate with blues to get us a decisive win early on.
Also i'd quite like to play an elected position simply because I have not had the chance before and it would make the game more exciting (for me).
Elect XeliN ! Keep that bolded statement in mind. He basically wanted to be checked to co-ordinate with blues. Cool idea right? However, it puts him the center of the town circle. Seems like something anyone would want. Seems kinda legit until you On March 15 2010 07:26 Abenson wrote:
From what I've seen so far, I think that:
I think that the most important part is to have the dt's post their results. I know that this is risky, but I think it's extremely important that we get information from the dt's. Note: this abenson quote is because of the following On March 13 2010 02:52 XeliN wrote:
Also L if you get voted in don't lynch Bill it would be a waste, going over the thread I would lynch Abenson
On March 12 2010 07:17 Abenson wrote:
Declaration:
I think it's really hard for me to post anything BUT 1-liners unless I have something important or I am trying to argue a point or protecting myself. Therefore from now on I will simply post 1-liners in order to state my mood/thoughts on the current matter
P.S. I'm kinda lazy to update my post in the archives
Town or Mafia this is just plain unhelpful, also I'd like to restate something I wrote way long ago that no-one really responded to. We need to put in place and agreed rule whereby people who are exceptionally inacitve or do not contribute are lynched. Forces the Mafia to post and forces town to try to participate, win win. thoughts?
He specifically wanted to lynch abenson if elected. However, (keep in mind the abenson quote I posted above), he then agrees with him found On March 15 2010 08:08 XeliN wrote:
well if BC was telling the truth about his role there is no reason he should not disclose who he has checked, instead of writing their specific role he could simply say "checked X and result was either Red//Townie" posting blue roles would be bad because it gives the mafia information but I can't see how it would not be beneficial to share the results in that way. I don't think it's right that he can get away with claiming DT and not provide any evidence that he is, seems dodgy to me. This is what confuses me. He actively wanted to kill abenson, yet agrees that all DT info should be handed over to town. In this case he does want me to name who I’ve cleared, but not their role (ok, seems kinda cool I guess) except of how bad an Idea it is. Lets spell it out simply. If someone is red, they get called out immediately, but as soon as you give a list of “cleared” players, especially this early, the mafia just has to continiously shoot them to prevent a town circle of any kind forming. So in short, my main reason for suspecting him, he wants information/be in control of information that as town, he should know how it should be used, while at the same time agreeing with the person he wanted to kill if he had been elected. Not a lot to go on really at the moment, but enough to keep me looking at him. Also as a minor note, he hasn’t kept his archives up to date at the time of this post, something minor but worth noting for reference later. D3_cresentia + Show Spoiler +
This is based on my experience when I was a host and he played in my game. He was very active in my game as a town member, very active, and he also got elected. However, this game he has been fairly inactive and the posts he has made have generally been few and not very contributing.
Simply put, I expect more out of him as his performance the last time I watched him play town was much better than it is now.
Abenson + Show Spoiler +
The kid is posting nothing helpful, and is playing the exact same he was in the game with two mafia families that the kid was red in. Simply put, he is either a terrible player who can’t play without appearing scummy, or is mafia.
~opz~ + Show Spoiler +Kid is fishy as fuck. I don’t want to quote his posts in the archive thread, but just go read the ones he has, seriously. He starts off moderately helpful, seems like a good start to the game. Proceeds to then try and toss L under the bus, not very serious but still there. Now, the important part of a post to bring up On March 12 2010 02:44 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Oh, and Vivi for Mafia aligned bus driver. That's my guess for this game.
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On March 12 2010 00:41 XeliN wrote:
If Bill gets a vote and I end up with none I'm going to have to invest in some razor blades.
Out of all the candidates so far, apart from me cos I already know I'm town, Incognito seems to be the strongest candidate.
That said if BC//L are legitimately claiming blue roles and they do not get into office then they may end up being prime targets for the Mafia to hit so I would suggest medic protection on them might not be a bad thing until the DT's can verify, although I wouldn't put it past them to claim that just to try get into office whether town or mafia.
We can't afford medic protection on them. maybe bus driver....But we can't protect them. Protection is for the BG's...
The town will be forced to play this without our "vets" that we love.
GG, L, Incog, BC. If any of you live without being mayor (one of you most certainly will live through atleast one night), I shall be greatly surprised.
Deadly format for cruelty, but face it everyone, we all must step up and go after the mafia. Even if they aren't here to help us. So, with that said, if the vets would like to post some ideas that we should follow to win with this format, please do!
First, he pins Vivi as the bus driver. He specifies mafia bus driver, however, concentrate on the role itself. I point this out for two reasons. The only reason someone would off vivi so early (the guy is an odd day 1 choice) is they figured I was giving him information, or he was blue. This FoS pointed at vivi seems odd given the game play. Next, he mentions that with this format, the town will most likely be forced to play without the “vet” players. And if any of us live day 1 he would be surprised. Keep in mind this line of thought. By L/myself/incog not dying (in this case more L as incog and I have bg protection) he can now come out and say the only way L wouldn’t take a hit is if he was mafia, or the like. The post feels like a placeholder to allow him to instantly jump on the three of us should any of us not die right away. After that post he again accuses vivi of being the bus driver, as well as L of being gf. This is the second time putting FoS on vivi (confirmed green via death), and now L. Both of these have not been followed by any sort of reasoning to it, but just seem to be “contributing” posts. He then has some random posts, one of which states that he should be getting checked by a DT. Why would he think this, and if he is green as he says he is, why would he want to be checked so quickly while in the same post claiming he will be afk potentially for a few days, or for a lot longer as he might get arrested. He could really have had a shitty life situation (possible), however, the fact he was claiming he was getting a DT to check him seems weird if he was vanishing for days, he wouldn’t want to be checked if he wasn’t going to be able to play for awhile. This is a general starter. There are a few others I have my eye on, but as I don’t have anything other than a general feeling without grounds, better not off trying to go anywhere with it. Yo, I got a few questions for you. I think some answers will help clear up a lot of confusion with the town right now, cause right now, the town's a shitstorm of inactivity. 1) Who do you want to lynch today? You got elected as mayor, you claimed (through one person or another) that you are the DT. I'm assuming you did not find a mafia with your check or you would have said so right? It's impossible for me to know by what you're doing right now. You voted for Abenson, you put Abenson in your "random list of suspects" (more on that later). So do you want the town to lynch Abenson? I have no idea what you think of things right now. Maybe you really want to lynch L cause you think he's scum? You should probably say something. This brings me to the next point: 2) Why are you being a crappy leader? You accepted your role as mayor, you even claimed (you said you were going to claim if vivi had not done for you) so you could get into office. There, it's done. Now do something about it! You haven't done much of anything since being elected, and hey if I do say so myself, you weren't doing much before elections either. Right now, L is doing a better job of being mayor than you are, he's actively voicing his opinions and arguing with people. That's good for town. You sitting in your mayoral chair whacking off waiting until your next DT check isn't helping the town. This is assuming you even are the DT, and hey guess what it looks kinda sketchy now. There is a point that needs to be addressed to the town. L claims he has a circle of 3(?) blues, BC said he claimed to people and has hinted he knows blues, Incog claims he knows a bunch of blues as well. There are more blues going around than there are probably in the game. If you all were really blue, why haven't you coordinated together? If all of you were legit, I'd expect this game to be near over for the mafia because you probably know over half the town is innocent. Why isn't this happening? Why are none of you telling us who to lynch (exception of L here). Somebody's full of shit with you three. At least one of you is lying about the information you know. Based on what you three have individually said, this game should be nearly over. Why are we still playing and why are we guessing on who to lynch today? BC I'd like to remind you of the game past (forgot which one off the top of my head) where you got elected mayor and couldn't control your town and Pyrry led the mafia to victory. That game you made it seem like you knew a bunch of blue roles, knew exactly what you were doing to lead the town to victory, and you didn't. I had to take over as pseudo mayor that game because everyone realized you had no information. Right now I'm starting to feel the same way (although I'll give you it's still early in the game). But if blues start dying and we fail to lynch mafia, I hope you're willing to be held accountable. Your mayor of this town. Do something about it.
this is foolishness AS MAFIA. he plays a very solid scum and is great at creating chaos. Just the fact that he'd post that to discredit L before we even start makes me think he's likely to be scum.
I support the kf/foolishness theory 100% now, but right now, foolishness takes my vote.
##vote foolishness##
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foolishness just generally responded to every post kf made and disagreed with it. Maybe I'm leveling myself, but that's clever distancing if you're both mafia.
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if foolishness was mafia, he'd 100% leave me alive to die tomorrow. Think about it. Foolishness is my #1 suspect going into tomorrow
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foolihsness for mvp if you guys lynch me
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ok, since day started 6 hours ago and nothing's happening and people suspect me alot, I'm going answer any questions you guys have about why I did anything.
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without reason? I posted the reason on the pages before. You're acting just like you did that game where you were mafia. You're playing scum just like ace - well, but you're still scum.
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lets stick with foolishness
I have foolishness/cynan, you have foolishness/madnessman
lets agree and lynch foolishness today 
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