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Korn
United Kingdom10 Posts
is it just me, or are Zerglings substantially weaker vs Zealots than in SC1 despite that fact that the stats for both are the same? What do you guys think is the reason for this? Also, do you think it's intentional or rather an inintended consequence of the new engine? | ||
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Puosu
6993 Posts
edit: ohhh im stupid and cant read | ||
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disco
Netherlands1667 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:48 Puosu wrote: AI is better so zerglings split around the zealots much better and don't stay behind eachother, its like the zerg player microing perfectly all the time. This would make the zerglings stronger, not weaker. | ||
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Ftrunkz
Australia2474 Posts
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Latham
9568 Posts
I wouldn't say it's intentional, it's just a result of better pathing. | ||
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Mutaahh
Netherlands859 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
Once the numbers get a bit higher than 1-2-3 zealots it becomes harder and harder because of one zealot wanders around it is quickly surrounded and stuck. Or it doesn't even need to wander off just the zealot at the side of your line can quickly fall victim to surrounds as well. When the ling numbers are still low the auto-surround is obviously not yet useful and zealots are exceptionally strong at that stage. | ||
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inReacH
Sweden1612 Posts
 I think they might just attack slower | ||
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Latham
9568 Posts
It might also depend on the terrain. If the zealots manage to wall off a choke, they'll defend it much better than in an open field since lings wouldn't be able to surround as easily as in an open field. | ||
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rkarhu
Finland570 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:58 Latham wrote: Nazgul is correct about faster shield regen, but as far as I know, it works only when the units are "out of battle", that means when they don't receive any damage for 6-8 consecutive seconds. It might also depend on the terrain. If the zealots manage to wall off a choke, they'll defend it much better than in an open field since lings wouldn't be able to surround as easily as in an open field. Breaking news just in! | ||
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osten
Sweden316 Posts
Blizzard often do that, just throws things in, never tests them. They did not even try to balance, just gave a model some stats and crossed their fingers. I think the two are exactly like blizzard wants them to. Why don't you discuss balance or anything else rather than "if it's intentional". jesus. --------------------------------------------------------- User was warned for a continuous negativity throughout his posts. | ||
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Fzero
United States1503 Posts
His play was profound zerg constantly surround one two three or four, KHB would wipe the floor you gotta be smart don't stop and start everytime you lose you're breakin my heart | ||
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Ballistixz
United States1269 Posts
On March 01 2010 21:45 Korn wrote: Hi all, is it just me, or are Zerglings substantially weaker vs Zealots than in SC1 despite that fact that the stats for both are the same? What do you guys think is the reason for this? Also, do you think it's intentional or rather an inintended consequence of the new engine? idk wth u guys are doing wrong but zerglings are alot stronger vs zealots they they ever were in sc1. if lings somehow seem weaker to u vs zealots then ur either not massing enought of them or the toss got early upgrades. but ur obviously doing something wrong cuz nothing is wrong with zerglings in sc2. there perfect and couldnt be any better. | ||
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WhyDontYouTry.
Germany2 Posts
http://starcraft2.ingame.de/content.php?c=99577&s=958 (It's german, but most Pictures. Fight with Attack-Move without Micro.) | ||
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inReacH
Sweden1612 Posts
On March 01 2010 22:36 Ballistixz wrote: idk wth u guys are doing wrong but zerglings are alot stronger vs zealots they they ever were in sc1. if lings somehow seem weaker to u vs zealots then ur either not massing enought of them or the toss got early upgrades. but ur obviously doing something wrong cuz nothing is wrong with zerglings in sc2. there perfect and couldnt be any better. You are mistaken. | ||
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Adeeler
United Kingdom764 Posts
Its probably more important to get to certain critical masses to be effective as the zealots find there targets very easily as they can move in a tighter group and make that wall so effectively whereas in SC1 they took a wall almost unnaturally in contrast. | ||
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XaraCoS
Australia45 Posts
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SubtleArt
2710 Posts
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DefMatrixUltra
Canada1992 Posts
It seems like if there's at least a certain number of zealots, then when they move, they form a tight ball or clump. So just having a certain number of zealots and moving them somewhere, you are already minimizing the amount of damage zerglings can do. In BW, zealot clumps are never perfectly tight, and their formations always have cracks in them. /edit - wanted to make this more clear. Even if they don't move in a clump (for example they start in a line formation), they converge rapidly towards the target (i.e. they move closer to each other on the way to the target). Since they tend to form tight walls without any extra micro, it makes them very strong against other melee units. | ||
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wintergt
Belgium1335 Posts
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