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Now since my profile is so diverse, EVERY clue can point to me ha ha ha! Wait a second... | ||
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I think that clues are definitely important pre-Day 3, but we shouldn't lynch on them, rather they should be used to get everyone discussing. Lynching based purely off of clues is completely retarded early in the game because there's nothing backing anything up, and in a game like this, where we have a lot of variety, they could point to someone completely different, and we'd be none the wiser. That said, we should be getting everyone to participate in the discussion. There's nothing worse than inactives, which, as Ver pointed out, ultimately hurts the town as they look just as suspicious as the mafia, which leads to wasted lynches and random lynches. And as for L's suggestion to lynch Chezinu Day 1, I don't think that's a good idea. Last time that was tried (t_co), it absolutely did nothing. At the very least we need something other than "a lot of posts" for a valid lynch. | ||
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On February 14 2010 10:43 meeple wrote: I thought about it... but generally its better to profile the killers right now. Last game we made a huge deal about some heavily caffeinated tea at the beginning that ended up being nothing. Often it seems that the host is overly descriptive just to make our lives harder. Ah ha ha I remember that. I think clues would mostly be concentrated in areas that actually describe somehow the killers right? I didn't take notice if that was the case at the end of the last mafia game, but I believe that was how it turned out. | ||
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On February 14 2010 11:45 Ace wrote: Knowing this, I'm not surprised LL and Zato -1 are already accusing me. Look people, especially for you new players - I'm one of the biggest targets in any Mafia game. Every time. I'm super valuable. I catch people in lies all the time and I always save townies from the obvious bandwagon deaths. L and Zato may not have blatantly accused me but they just planted a seed of suspicion on me of all people, based on some wild clues. Be very wary of light weight accusations like this. Such elitism. Regardless, I'm still all for incorporating clues into Day 1 discussion. For instance, we now have a defense from you, which is good for building a profile, whether you're innocent or not. | ||
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On February 14 2010 12:06 Ace wrote: Ok L, try using that the "40% of people are Mafia argument". It doesn't help. Blindly pointing fingers in the chance you may nab someone is just as bad if it were a game where 20% of the people are Mafia. Stop it. You're wrong. Then what do we do Day 1? Sit on our asses and come up with overall plans that have undoubtedly been said already in other mafia games? | ||
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redtooth: I don't think that using "correctness" from previous games is good for anything. Posting behavior, like Ver used, is fine, but whether or not a person is correct doesn't really account for anything. If you find an inconsistency or a consistency in how L is posting here versus how he has in the past, then you could build a case against him. Not otherwise. In any case, I am all for a mayor that is uninvolved in this entire mess. We've already had doubts concerning Ace, and I for one trust Chenizu as far as I can throw him, so we should begin narrowing our mayor candidates. After all, don't forget that discussion concerning who we should elect as mayor AND pardoner are just as revealing about behavior. | ||
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On February 14 2010 14:58 redtooth wrote: it's just a case study, much like what L did in his post. But you used it to justify Ace as a player. L used it in a general sense, and it was not a major component of his argument. If Ace is Mafia this game, then that argument makes no sense. | ||
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On February 14 2010 15:36 Chezinu wrote: If he flips red, you have to admit that I found the clue first. Ace was one of the few profiles I memorized... I remember in Caller's game I caught him riding on horseback when he was on vacation.. ahh good old times... What is this, personal glory time? Makes no sense whatsoever. And I think BloddyC0bbler's statement regarding l10f has some truth in it. | ||
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On February 14 2010 17:34 redtooth wrote: GUYS THIS IS ACTUALLY A KEY OBSERVATION AND SHOULDN'T BE OVERLOOKED. stuff like this is the reason why edits are highly discouraged. did Bill just let slip that he knew the identity of one of the mafia godfathers? and i like the way he basically listed every high-activity poster as a mafia. Every high-activity poster other than Ace? And I wouldn't label Ver as high-activity... In fact, I think this is the first time we've had a serious accusation against him. And the "other godfather" slip is pretty big... I'm curious to see what's going to happen. Let's not forget the mayor elections in the midst of this though. | ||
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You know, labeling people as blue, red, or green is nice and all... but we should be concentrating on the mayoral elections. I for one don't want to end up putting a crap or mafia mayor/pardoner into office because people are just riding the bandwagon. Some people have brought up the point that we shouldn't vote citi.zen in based purely on performance in past games, and I'm inclined to agree with them. There is absolutely no reason why we should be taking performance in previous games into account unless we're using them to establish a shift in posting behavior or as a case example (such as Ver's usage when accusing BC and meeple and L's usage to draw a parallel between this game and another game). We should be extremely cautious, and I encourage people to give a more valid reason than "he served us well in the previous game". The question remains though: who can we trust? I have no idea  . Everyone running has something about them that I just find suspicious or that makes them kind of untrustworthy. | ||
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On February 15 2010 12:21 L wrote: I have issues with your analysis of the clues for Mafia A, as you've called them. The persona you've established, specifically the 'horseman who blinds with light" is inaccurate. Not only does the horseman blind, but he is blinded himself during paragraph 2. This double take on the same theme is massive, and is pretty much the EXACT same format that was used to introduce truthbringer's chaingun. Additionally, the clues aren't clear on who jumped through the wall, but from the flow of text, it seems that it is the first horseman who does; the other stays back and laughs. I could be wrong here on two counts; it isn't certain that the horseman in para 2 is the same as the first one, but it seems odd that blindness as a theme would be repeated, no? That said, granted the ambiguous nature of which qualities are ascribed to which horseman, its entirely possible that you're 100% right regarding someone here and that Ace is the other horseman, which is something I worried about while initially looking at the clues. This uncertainty in attribution is why I think Emp is the more assured cluetell, but I'm still not really done thinking about the risk/reward profile of lynching him vs Ace granted the information disparity that we'd gain from killing one over the other I don't entirely agree with your analysis of Mafia B either; Mystlord seems like a far better candidate for the rooftop killer granted the weapon and location of the picture. The link to fire is one of those perennially used ones that leads to herrings, so I wouldn't try to go fire-> someone without other links. If you read my link to Emp, you'd know there's a fire element there too. I'm pretty certain that most of the Mafia B clues need more fleshing out before we can be accurate with them, with the exception of the angel. First off, I actually missed your post BC, sorry about that .In any case, I agree that the clues can point to me (lol how am I supposed to doubt that?), however, I think the more pertinent clue for the fire one lies in the fact that the torch flew in through a window opposite the horsemen. That could indicate a magical or supernatural component in the killing, and not that it is one of the members of Mafia B that threw the torch. I have nothing to say about the horsemen that kills Qatol because, well, the only clue we get about him is the cackling and the moonlight, which my profile does match. Now as for L's response, the first passage specifically mentions that there were two horsemen that met with Qatol, so it'd be a bit of a stretch to assume that the horseman in paragraph 2 is the exact same one in paragraph 1. Another note is that auto-assuming that a clue is a red herring isn't a good way to look at clues, at least in my opinion. Everything that appears should be considered relevant unless proven otherwise. One final note about the rooftop killer - the passage mentions that the killer ripped Incognito's head off. The girl in my profile has a sword, which doesn't "rip" at all. | ||
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On February 15 2010 13:31 CynanMachae wrote: Sagiura, is there a way to list by post count number? I put it into OpenOffice Calc, and tadaaa doctorhelvetica 92 chezinu 70 bill murray 57 meeple 57 redtooth 50 l 42 iaaan 40 ace 39 bloodyc0bbler 36 abenson 32 d3_crescentia 23 789 23 citi.zen 19 incognito 19 fulgrim 18 [nyc]hobbes 17 zato-1 17 flamewheel91 12 mystlord 11 sidesprang 11 ver 10 qatol 10 infundibulum 7 madnessman 6 sugiuramidori 6 malongo 6 phrujbaz 6 l10f 6 faronel 5 zona 5 fishball 5 johnnyspazz 5 scamp 5 caller 5 xelin 5 dozko 5 ~opz~ 5 shockeyy 4 cynanmachae 4 nikoner 4 masterdana 3 tree.hugger 3 nemy 3 best[alive] 3 foolishness 3 amber[light] 2 empyrean 2 quickstriker 2 shikyo 2 vivi57 2 ohn 1 tredmasta 1 lucaswoj 1 stimilant 1 | ||
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I like how some people are taking an in depth clue analysis Day 1, but unless we can pin someone down on both clues and scummy behavior, it's not going to help too much. As of right now, I would vote to lynch an inactive, purely because right now, we have about 4 to 5 people completely caught up in their own little world making snide comments and arguing, and the rest of us are just barely trying to keep up. If all of you are green (as you claim), then you're literally self-destructing, and the mafia don't need to do anything but sit back and relax. I would definitely feel uncomfortable lynching any major player right now because I haven't seen anyone just completely fall apart and seem completely scummy. On the same note, I'm still unsure who to vote for mayor right now because all of them have like this vendetta against another active player or something. | ||
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On February 16 2010 07:15 Iaaan wrote: To add onto why empyrean might not be the best choice; no one is defending him. If he were mafia, him family wouldn't want him dead, it doesn't seem like sacrificing him would really benefit his family. You would think that if he were mafia, at least someone would try to defend him. It could be a calculated sacrifice. If town is convinced that someone is mafia, mafia would be unwilling to put up a strong defense of that person without seeming scummy. We might see a light defense though. Also, there's just not that much to defend for him. He hasn't spoken one. freaking. word. As for my profile pic, nothing to say. It's a solid connection to the clues, and I won't blame you if you end up lynching me based off of that. Oh, and another point about Empyrean... Where do we go from his lynch? Are we just lynching to help out the other mafia family or what? I might be a bit ignorant in this, so I'd like to get this cleared up before I'm fully on board with the Empyrean lynch. It seems more like a dead end to me. If he truly is mafia, why not let a mafia family waste a kill on him? | ||
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On February 16 2010 08:05 Scamp wrote: With this logic, you're saying the town wants to do nothing and let the mafia do all the work. Basically, if we know someone is mafia we're going to kill them. Sure, the other family wants to kill them too, but the goal of the town is to take down as many mafia as possible as soon as possible to reduce their KP. We only need to worry about a mafia family winning once one family is reduced to the other family's KP. Besides, if we don't kill people that we think are mafia, what else are we supposed to do with our lynches? Correct. I want the town to do nothing, and the mafia to do all the work. I believe that our lynches should be used to reveal potential mafia, not actually kill mafia. If we're to pit the mafia against each other, then it stands to reason that we'd want to give mafia leads, not start lynching one a day. As far as I'm concerned, lynching Empyrean gets us nowhere. | ||
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Obviously either common sense has been completely destroyed, or scum is at work here. Oh dear God BM. Your logic fails on so many levels... Why would mafia 100% defend ace/redtooth? And I can't even pretend to understand the rest of your post. By the way, DrH, you asked before the elections were over who'd I lynch, and I'd lean towards Ace. He's just involved with too many people and has made too many posts. However, I'm not confident in that enough to push for an Ace lynch, although the vote switching has made me a bit more suspicious again... Oh yeah, and it appears that we have gotten nothing off of the Empyrean lynch. Huzzah! Time to wait for Night 2... | ||
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On February 16 2010 10:03 Fulgrim wrote: Technically we don't have to wait, hopefully the mafia families will do some of the work for us. We should continue trying to identify mafia within the town. Well at this point, I'm pretty sure that anything said now will just be a repeat of what was already said in Day 1. The Empyrean lynch got us no leads and no information, and I don't think we can really do all that much besides more clue analysis, of which we already have quite a bit on. | ||
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On February 16 2010 21:28 Ver wrote: I wish I had more time to work with this list but I'm overtired as it is and don't have time to finish the analysis on a few othesr. So I'm putting it out there now and hopefully people can add on and I can fine tune it after I wake up. Do not Protect List: Bloodyc0bbler: + Show Spoiler [Initial accusation] + On February 14 2010 10:58 Ver wrote: Time to start things rolling. My primary suspect for the first lynch is Bloodyc0bbler. Obviously he's only posted twice since the game started, an election post and another useless psot. BC runs for election quite a bit. I've taken the liberty of gathering up his previous election campaigns so you can compare them. + Show Spoiler [Chuiu's game 5 as Townie] + On March 17 2009 17:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Ok everyone, unlike the flashy gimicks of caller, I offer substance to my platform!. to start with heres my portfolio. Name: BloodyC0bbler Mafia experience: 5(6 if you count callers as two go's), 1 game run, 1 game co hosted Looking at just the one stat alone, I have the experience to lead this town to victory! In mafia 2, I was town aligned and we won, mafia 3 we as town dominated the mafia, mafia 4 was ruined by a jerkoff so well, can't really say much there. Tracils game ended early, but my side was winning. Callers first game ended day one with VI win, and his second game I as VI won. I have a high precident of winning the games on the side im part of, with ability, and luck like that, I would be an obvious goodluck charm for the town. Now, witha ll the extra things I do on TL (PX, Location thread, etc...) You guys know I spend way to much time here, giving me the most amount of time to really jump ontop of things, I can analyze clues well which is helpful in your sheriff. That is my background, As for what I will do for the town to win. As sheriff or mayor, I will help guide the town where I can doing what I do best, Analysis. I can analyze clues, behaviour of players and guide us in a winning direction. As sheriff, I can jail 4 people in a game once per person, this allows me to save potential targets from mafia in a night, or jail the mafia lowering their KP. As mayor I can guide us towards killing the right suspect, and with a day 1 auto lynch, kill the person who is the most fishy to the town, but in the end, that will come to a consensus among the town first. Now for a plan. We all know the town works better when organized, as such, neither mayor nor sheriff can guide this town to victory without being under suspect (we always flip as mayor or sheriff regardless of any other role). So heres the plan. Medics protect veteran players early. When one of them takes a hit, the medic should roleclaim to that person AND that person should claim they took a hit. That person then gets checked. They get the medic checked as well. If BOTH check out, they both come out and serve as figureheads for the town. They coordinate blue abilities but keep information on to the town. When the person is hit they speak up. The sheriff then locks him up, protecting him from night hits while a dt checks him out. Once verified we repeat process with med, and have two figureheads, as opposed to the regular one. In the event the person who is hit doesnt speak up, the medic speaks up, we verify them first, then the one hit after. This is our best chance at getting town leadership quickly. + Show Spoiler [Qatol's game 8 as Traitor] + On May 16 2009 15:14 BloodyC0bbler wrote: OK BOYO'S! Ok guys, this game will be the hardest one potentially we have ever done, as such we need to get the mafia as soon as this game starts. I've shown a record of insane amount of clue analyzing from previous games, as such I believe I would make a good candidate for the town to keep alive. I however, would prefer to be pardoner, this allows me to help prevent potentially townbreaking lynches. As mayor, I would analyze the clues (as this is my forte) and bring them to your attention and direct votes on the best possible suspects, thus bringing the town some central leadership to avoid chaos. As pardoner, I would do generally the same idea, however, would use my ability to prevent lynches on cases where it appeared someone with no links was up for no reason. Vote for order, vote for BloodyC0bbler + Show Spoiler [Plexa's game 12, Townie] + On July 03 2009 07:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote: OK first off I AM RUNNING FOR OFFICE I am already seeing idiocy of players that has led to many vets getting insanely discouraged with playing these games. I appreciate Plexa for trying to make this game interesting with the addition of different roles, tweaking how some work, and the addition of fog. Now lets outline why I should be in office. Weather I'm already seeing debate on weather, and You guys are saying opt for rain? We have two medics, each have an extra life, and they can protect people. Historically medics have sucked more than any other role in the game, IE don't depend on them early game, how hard is this to understand, MEDICS DO NOT WIN GAMES. This instantly gets rid of the damn rain option. Next we have sunny which allows our assassins to attack. If you guys vote for this I will kill you. EVEN IF they hit a mafia, which we all jump and joy in, there is a chance they hit the godfather, and guess what, this means the godfather role gets given to another mafia and we have to find the damn guy again, way to much effort, so sunny isn't an option we want, also vigi roles aren't always reliable, lynches are where we have to win, so SUNNY is out. Next we have snow, snow is useful for hey additional clues. Guess what, most of the top clue analyzers from all previous games aren't in this one, IE the amount of people benefiting from these clues is so damn small its not worth voting on, so we ignore snow. This leaves fog, ie WE SPAM FOG. All greens should be voting fog every day to keep it going. It removes the pledges kp from the mafia. So if there would be at least 1 possibly as high as 3 or 4 pledges. This will reduce a KP from the mafia meaning 1-2 less people die at night. THAT IS A GUARENTEE. Medics are not guarenteed to protect so this is a safer bet. So we spam fog until the pledges are all dead, then move on to a different weather. Also note, with fog reducing the mafia KP, the suicide bomber will be less likely to use his ability as it removes even more kp from them. Leadership In most games I have played, I have worked in some way in town circles working for the benefit of the town, many times leading to a win for the town. This gives me the experience to help lead the town and help keep it organized. The towns in the last few games have been reduced to very small voices screaming at a mass of chaos and leads to failure, it has to stop. I would make an excellent choice for the leadership purely based off my experience at keeping some form of order. Untop of that, for once I am one of a very few in terms of a specific skill. I, as ive said in other games, clue analyze. Out of the current player base of this game, Myself and Pyrr are most likely most known for spending time on clues (there may be one or two people from pyrr's game , but i didnt pay much attention to it). This means either him or myself should have the bg protection purely to keep us alive to use that skill. I will do my best to keep us alive. Double Lynch I will make sure we get these used on top mafia targets, IE if we have two insanely guilty looking people, double lynch will be used. We wont have to worry about constantly voting for double lynch one day, then worrying mafia stop it. IT WILL GET USED and by god it will get by the town. These are merely a few points, but seriously with the debate of what to vote on for weather, A strong player is needed as the emperor or we are all fucked. Vote for me but more importantly VOTE FOR FOG + Show Spoiler [This game] + On February 14 2010 07:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote: As the game as begun, it is time to get it started. I, BloodyC0bbler, am running for the position of mayor. I believe the town can easily win this if we work together, as a concise unit, and do so before the mafia can create their own plans. Action must happen now. My campaign is on a platform of strength. I believe I have the strength to help pull this town together. I can analyze clues, behaviour, and can help guide blues to where they should act. The more we work together, the less we have to lose. The first lynch at the moment, as there is nothing to really go on, I believe is moot unless someone gives themself away obviously. Therefore I would lynch the most inactive player, or in the case of someone giving themself away, that person. Any other choice should be pardon'd instantly. Vote for unity, Vote for strength, Vote for bloodyc0bbler Notice the similarities between the two games he was innocent. He comes in with a plan, goes into detail, and gives genuine advice. In his game as a traitor, he offers nothing, says random gibberish, and is basically goofing off. He makes no serious attempt to do anything. Exactly like his campaign post this game. BC is a vet, and has played more games than almost anyone else (I think only Ace and maybe Caller leads him). He's also hosted a bunch of games as well (3). He knows what needs to be done. He knows what a mayor needs, he knows how to act as a townie; negligence is not an excuse. BC is acting very out of character and it's so blatant that it's obvious from just 1 post. Further Analysis: BC basically dodges the issue entirely, and frankly his response reeks of a calculated play to do the things that would make him look innocent to me. This is followed up with general uselessness while not remaining completely inactive, not an innocent BC trademark. Further slipups include telling me privately that the the two people who stand out the most are him and myself. He viewed me as being too helpful and thus suspicious, but that apparently did not stop him for voting for me despite the fact that I accused him?? He later retracted his vote for no stated reason, which makes it look more like a simple calculated reaction. He also says he has a rudimentary plan worked out, then never follows up on it in private or public. He also posts several times about how clue analysis is useless until day 3, but then acquiesces for no reason and does serious analysis in day 1. This would not be so much of a problem if it was not his only substantial contribution, but it certainly boggles the mind why someone would be so present, yet make his only real contribution on something he repeatedly said was useless. Meeple + Show Spoiler [Initial Analysis] + On February 15 2010 09:13 Ver wrote: Ok, we need to get discussion going. I don't have much time now so I'm just going to make a quick writeup on another guilty person. FYI by accusing these people I'm not necessarily saying I would lynch them but they have been suspicious and need to account for their actions. But we need to put the pressure on people who have not been acting in the town's interests. Meeple Last game Meeple was a Townie. Here are some day 1 posts to get you familiar with him. + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2010 11:56 meeple wrote: Hmm... the biggest clue that stands out to me is the strange monkeyish reference. I agree that highly caffeinated tea is out of place too... but it might be a stretch to think of Golden monkey black tea... unless we know that someone here is a huge fan of it. On January 20 2010 12:09 meeple wrote: It caught my eye too... but perhaps its not an apple... but something about an adams apple, since its in his throat. So perhaps something that's extra manly... or has an adams apple thats especially prominent. On January 20 2010 12:29 meeple wrote: Well... although cookie monster might have "barbaric" movements... I don't think they would draw the line between him and monkey. Although, if I were thinking from a game-making perspective... cookie monster and the cookie in The_Master's profile is too good to resist. On January 21 2010 00:25 meeple wrote: If we're going with just imagery, we might as well consider keit and the Cookie Monster. Much more barbaric and it can be paired with shoving the apple down his throat, like Cookie monster does with cookies. Things to note: -Lots of clue analysis -Actively giving his opinion -Trying his best to contribute -Posting extremely frequently Now let's look at Meeple this game: + Show Spoiler + On February 14 2010 10:13 meeple wrote: Clues I think are important to the game and although especially in the early game they are very little help and can sometime steer us away from realizing and recognizing suspicious posting habits.. On that note, it is very important as we saw in the last game to try and keep impartial since the mafia will no doubt try to twist the clues to sway our decisions. Just something to keep in mind... On February 14 2010 10:22 meeple wrote: I agree fairly heavily with Ver's above post.. The more active posters, the less places the mafia have to hide. Right now though, at least in my mind, the lynch target is a bit of a crapshoot. I'm naturally inclined to lean towards clues so Ace comes to mind as a target, but in reality picking an inactive might be just as likely to hit red. On February 14 2010 11:58 meeple wrote: I agree that he's on the right track, but try not to beleive so easily... he's a vet, which means he can play either role really well. I'm not pointing fingers, just saying that we need to keep our eyes open... On February 15 2010 03:32 meeple wrote: Yeah, I would ask the same. I'm skeptical as to how you came to those conclusions... Things to note: -Meeple praises clue analysis, but DOES ALMOST NOTHING HIMSELF -Lots of talking to other players, but little real contributions -Plenty of useless posts, where he writes words but says nothing new in them -Less active overall What do you think of this Meeple? Further Analysis: Like BC Meeple, basically avoided the accusation and continued on his merry way, which he was given the luxury of thanks to mountains of spam covering up the accusation. As further followup was impossible he's not 100% guilty but it certainly doesn't look good. I want to take a closer look at him when I wake up. Ace My certainty with Ace is less than with the above two but Ace really has no business being protected anyway with his performance so far as regardless of role he is hurting the town. Ace has been a consistent presence in the thread throughout the game, yet despite this fact he has given almost no real contributions at all. He has instead defended himself, caused a lot of chaos, and...not really said much else besides judging others. This does fit with his the behavior of his previous mafia performances (see here and here ). In these games Ace sits back, passes judgment on the play of others, and offers nothing himself. The only saving grace of Ace is his accusation and 'trap' of DrH, which while good seemed to be nothing more than a temporary fad that he gave up on promoting (if I am wrong please correct me, I couldn't find it via searching). Mystlord: Mystlord is on here at the request of L (who also requested Bill Murray but I don't see any reason for him to be mafia at all). A quick glance at his posts reveals that he has posted a bit, but said virtually nothing in them. Lots of anger at other people for being useless, yet doesn't do anything himself. This is a common mafia trait and otherwise Mystlord has done little to convince us of his use to the town. A brief glance Medic List: Chezinu Ver Caller DT check list: Fishball Shikyo LucasWoJ Citizen Fulgrim Quickstriker Tree.Hugger MasterDana The DT list is rather long but there is a pretty big subset of players that we lack information on and these are some of the more glaring of those, plus we don't want DT checks overlapping. That's just how I play. I don't really have too much in my defense other than that it's hard to actually come up with plans when you have a ton of veteran players that are putting forth a lot of good ideas. It's also actually fairly hard to devote that much time to mafia considering the amount of crap that's going through this thread, which I find to be the most aggravating part about this game in particular. Regardless, I personally don't think it would be prudent for mafia to take such a passive stance as I have. If I'm mafia and I'm trying to blend in with the town, then I've done one crappy job. I was going to post some stuff on protection, but it's past the deadline so I'll just wait for the Night actions to come out (if I don't die due to my clue connection), before I do anything. | ||
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