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Obama wants $33 Billion more for the War

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ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-14 15:45:34
January 14 2010 15:42 GMT
#1
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Obama wants $33 billion more for war

ANNE GEARAN and ANNE FLAHERTY | January 12, 2010 09:36 PM EST | AP


WASHINGTON — The Obama administration plans to ask Congress for an additional $33 billion to fight unpopular wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, on top of a record request for $708 billion for the Defense Department next year, The Associated Press has learned.

The administration also plans to tell Congress next month that its central military objectives for the next four years will include winning the current wars while preventing new ones and that its core missions will include both counterinsurgency and counterterrorism operations.

The administration's Quadrennial Defense Review, the main articulation of U.S. military doctrine, is due to Congress on Feb. 1. Top military commanders were briefed on the document at the Pentagon on Monday and Tuesday. They also received a preview of the administration's budget plans through 2015.

The four-year review outlines six key mission areas and spells out capabilities and goals the Pentagon wants to develop. The pilotless drones used for surveillance and attack missions in Afghanistan and Pakistan are a priority, with a goal of speeding up the purchase of new Reaper drones and expansion of Predator and Reaper drone flights through 2013.

The extra $33 billion in 2010 would mostly go toward the expansion of the war in Afghanistan. Obama ordered an extra 30,000 troops for that war as part of an overhaul of the war strategy late last year.

The request for that additional funding will be sent to Congress at the same time as the record spending request for next year, making war funding an especially difficult pill for some of Obama's Democratic allies.

Military officials have suggested that the 2011 request would top $700 billion for the first time, but the precise figure has not been made public.
Story continues below

U.S. officials outlined the coming requests on condition of anonymity because the budget request will not be sent to Congress until later this month.

Obama's request for more war spending is likely to receive support on Capitol Hill, where Republicans will join moderate Democrats to pass the bill.

But the budget debate is also likely to expose a widening rift between Obama's administration – it sees more troops and money as necessary to winning the war – and Democratic leaders, who have watched public opinion turn against the military campaign.

"The president's going to have to make his case," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., told reporters last month at her year-end briefing.

The 2010 budget contains about $128 billion for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

That figure would rise to $159 billion next year under the proposals prepared for Congress.

The Pentagon projects that war funding would drop sharply in 2012, to $50 billion, and remain there through 2015. That is a calculation that the United States will save money from the withdrawal of forces in Iraq, as well as a prediction that the Afghanistan war will begin to wind down in the middle of 2011.

Obama has promised that U.S. forces will begin to withdraw from Afghanistan in July 2011, but his defense advisers have set no time limit for the war.

The Pentagon projects that overall defense spending would be $616 billion in 2012; $632 billion in 2013; $648 billion in 2014; and $666 billion in 2015. Congress sets little store by such predictions, which typically have fallen short of actual requests and spending.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, are expected to testify to Congress about the budget and the policy review in February.

The four-year policy statement is a more important statement of administration goals. For the current wars, the policy statement focuses on efforts to refocus money and talent on beefing up special operations forces, countering weapons of mass destruction and terrorism threats and on cyber security and warfare.

For example, the Pentagon would like to expand special operations forces' aviation by expanding the gunship fleet from 25 to 33.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20100112/us-obama-war-funding/

Why is the Defense Department's budget so inflated? Why did Donald Rumsfeld try to win a war rapidly with the smallest number of troops possible, forcing us to continually add soldiers as the situation degenerates and inflating the estimates of how much the war will actually cost?

The war in Iraq was specifically created to enrich the corporations. The official rationale for the war was WMDs, which was shown to be patently false. The unofficial rationale for the war was oil. But is it? It seems to me that the no-bid contracts given to corporations like Halliburton for billions of dollars were nothing more than the members of the Bush Administration making money for themselves. Many people in government refused to give up their ties to the corporate world, although this is required by law and augmented their personal wealth, as well as the financial status of their respective companies using the influence of their governmental positions. Many companies were given billions of dollars in government contracts to help rebuild Iraq. They took the money, but did very little, if anything at all to help rebuild Iraq's infrastructure or help Iraqi unemployment, basically stealing money from the American taxpayers and the future of the Iraqi people. Even the war itself is beginning to become privatized, with mercenaries from Xe Services taking part in raids and fighting besides American soldiers. Why are we still funding this war?
Sullifam
tirentu
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1257 Posts
January 14 2010 15:44 GMT
#2
Tsk tsk, it's not Blackwater, it's Xe.

Get your evil corporations right!
ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
January 14 2010 15:46 GMT
#3
I thought people still referred to it as Blackwater and that the company changed its name because of the bad press its activities in Iraq was giving it.
Sullifam
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-14 15:47:32
January 14 2010 15:46 GMT
#4
We cant just leave, we will lose our dignity.

edit: Who cares, Blackwater sounds more convert and badass. I'll just stick to that.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
January 14 2010 15:47 GMT
#5
...

Sigh, 33 billion dollars to end the war and bring the troops home is what he meant to say right? Guuhhhhhhhh
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
January 14 2010 15:48 GMT
#6
I'm not convinced by the corporatist argument for the cause of the Iraq war. I agree with what you ruled out but think it might have been part personal vendetta from the crew who let Saddam back into power after the First Gulf War.
Archerofaiur
Profile Joined August 2008
United States4101 Posts
January 14 2010 15:48 GMT
#7
N
O
http://sclegacy.com/news/28-scl/250-starcraftlegacy-macro-theorycrafting-contest-winners
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32148 Posts
January 14 2010 15:48 GMT
#8
On January 15 2010 00:42 ghostWriter wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Obama wants $33 billion more for war

ANNE GEARAN and ANNE FLAHERTY | January 12, 2010 09:36 PM EST | AP


WASHINGTON — The Obama administration plans to ask Congress for an additional $33 billion to fight unpopular wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, on top of a record request for $708 billion for the Defense Department next year, The Associated Press has learned.

The administration also plans to tell Congress next month that its central military objectives for the next four years will include winning the current wars while preventing new ones and that its core missions will include both counterinsurgency and counterterrorism operations.

The administration's Quadrennial Defense Review, the main articulation of U.S. military doctrine, is due to Congress on Feb. 1. Top military commanders were briefed on the document at the Pentagon on Monday and Tuesday. They also received a preview of the administration's budget plans through 2015.

The four-year review outlines six key mission areas and spells out capabilities and goals the Pentagon wants to develop. The pilotless drones used for surveillance and attack missions in Afghanistan and Pakistan are a priority, with a goal of speeding up the purchase of new Reaper drones and expansion of Predator and Reaper drone flights through 2013.

The extra $33 billion in 2010 would mostly go toward the expansion of the war in Afghanistan. Obama ordered an extra 30,000 troops for that war as part of an overhaul of the war strategy late last year.

The request for that additional funding will be sent to Congress at the same time as the record spending request for next year, making war funding an especially difficult pill for some of Obama's Democratic allies.

Military officials have suggested that the 2011 request would top $700 billion for the first time, but the precise figure has not been made public.
Story continues below

U.S. officials outlined the coming requests on condition of anonymity because the budget request will not be sent to Congress until later this month.

Obama's request for more war spending is likely to receive support on Capitol Hill, where Republicans will join moderate Democrats to pass the bill.

But the budget debate is also likely to expose a widening rift between Obama's administration – it sees more troops and money as necessary to winning the war – and Democratic leaders, who have watched public opinion turn against the military campaign.

"The president's going to have to make his case," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., told reporters last month at her year-end briefing.

The 2010 budget contains about $128 billion for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

That figure would rise to $159 billion next year under the proposals prepared for Congress.

The Pentagon projects that war funding would drop sharply in 2012, to $50 billion, and remain there through 2015. That is a calculation that the United States will save money from the withdrawal of forces in Iraq, as well as a prediction that the Afghanistan war will begin to wind down in the middle of 2011.

Obama has promised that U.S. forces will begin to withdraw from Afghanistan in July 2011, but his defense advisers have set no time limit for the war.

The Pentagon projects that overall defense spending would be $616 billion in 2012; $632 billion in 2013; $648 billion in 2014; and $666 billion in 2015. Congress sets little store by such predictions, which typically have fallen short of actual requests and spending.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, are expected to testify to Congress about the budget and the policy review in February.

The four-year policy statement is a more important statement of administration goals. For the current wars, the policy statement focuses on efforts to refocus money and talent on beefing up special operations forces, countering weapons of mass destruction and terrorism threats and on cyber security and warfare.

For example, the Pentagon would like to expand special operations forces' aviation by expanding the gunship fleet from 25 to 33.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20100112/us-obama-war-funding/

Why is the Defense Department's budget so inflated? Why did Donald Rumsfeld try to win a war rapidly with the smallest number of troops possible, forcing us to continually add soldiers as the situation degenerates and inflating the estimates of how much the war will actually cost?


Because if he wins it with a small number of troops, it looks good. If it doesn't he was trying to do it efficiently and when the Dems come in and boost it to the levels it needs to be to win, it makes the dems look bad.

It's a win-win doing it that way
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cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
January 14 2010 15:49 GMT
#9
That's the problem with the system: the voters are too stupid to realize that sometimes you have to fold and you can't win every war. You take this voting group and put it in the 70s and the United States would still be in Vietnam.
Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
January 14 2010 15:59 GMT
#10
Welcome to the military industrial complex.
zeppelin
Profile Joined December 2007
United States565 Posts
January 14 2010 16:02 GMT
#11
On January 15 2010 00:46 Disregard wrote:
We cant just leave, we will lose our dignity.

edit: Who cares, Blackwater sounds more convert and badass. I'll just stick to that.


What dignity?
IceCube
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Croatia1403 Posts
January 14 2010 16:04 GMT
#12
Obviously US didn't went to this war to win or anything else, they went there to make money.
And they did. End of story.

I could say much much more about it but don't want to start a flame war.
Forever Vulture.. :(
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
January 14 2010 16:04 GMT
#13
On January 15 2010 00:48 Hawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2010 00:42 ghostWriter wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Obama wants $33 billion more for war

ANNE GEARAN and ANNE FLAHERTY | January 12, 2010 09:36 PM EST | AP


WASHINGTON — The Obama administration plans to ask Congress for an additional $33 billion to fight unpopular wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, on top of a record request for $708 billion for the Defense Department next year, The Associated Press has learned.

The administration also plans to tell Congress next month that its central military objectives for the next four years will include winning the current wars while preventing new ones and that its core missions will include both counterinsurgency and counterterrorism operations.

The administration's Quadrennial Defense Review, the main articulation of U.S. military doctrine, is due to Congress on Feb. 1. Top military commanders were briefed on the document at the Pentagon on Monday and Tuesday. They also received a preview of the administration's budget plans through 2015.

The four-year review outlines six key mission areas and spells out capabilities and goals the Pentagon wants to develop. The pilotless drones used for surveillance and attack missions in Afghanistan and Pakistan are a priority, with a goal of speeding up the purchase of new Reaper drones and expansion of Predator and Reaper drone flights through 2013.

The extra $33 billion in 2010 would mostly go toward the expansion of the war in Afghanistan. Obama ordered an extra 30,000 troops for that war as part of an overhaul of the war strategy late last year.

The request for that additional funding will be sent to Congress at the same time as the record spending request for next year, making war funding an especially difficult pill for some of Obama's Democratic allies.

Military officials have suggested that the 2011 request would top $700 billion for the first time, but the precise figure has not been made public.
Story continues below

U.S. officials outlined the coming requests on condition of anonymity because the budget request will not be sent to Congress until later this month.

Obama's request for more war spending is likely to receive support on Capitol Hill, where Republicans will join moderate Democrats to pass the bill.

But the budget debate is also likely to expose a widening rift between Obama's administration – it sees more troops and money as necessary to winning the war – and Democratic leaders, who have watched public opinion turn against the military campaign.

"The president's going to have to make his case," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., told reporters last month at her year-end briefing.

The 2010 budget contains about $128 billion for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

That figure would rise to $159 billion next year under the proposals prepared for Congress.

The Pentagon projects that war funding would drop sharply in 2012, to $50 billion, and remain there through 2015. That is a calculation that the United States will save money from the withdrawal of forces in Iraq, as well as a prediction that the Afghanistan war will begin to wind down in the middle of 2011.

Obama has promised that U.S. forces will begin to withdraw from Afghanistan in July 2011, but his defense advisers have set no time limit for the war.

The Pentagon projects that overall defense spending would be $616 billion in 2012; $632 billion in 2013; $648 billion in 2014; and $666 billion in 2015. Congress sets little store by such predictions, which typically have fallen short of actual requests and spending.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, are expected to testify to Congress about the budget and the policy review in February.

The four-year policy statement is a more important statement of administration goals. For the current wars, the policy statement focuses on efforts to refocus money and talent on beefing up special operations forces, countering weapons of mass destruction and terrorism threats and on cyber security and warfare.

For example, the Pentagon would like to expand special operations forces' aviation by expanding the gunship fleet from 25 to 33.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20100112/us-obama-war-funding/

Why is the Defense Department's budget so inflated? Why did Donald Rumsfeld try to win a war rapidly with the smallest number of troops possible, forcing us to continually add soldiers as the situation degenerates and inflating the estimates of how much the war will actually cost?


Because if he wins it with a small number of troops, it looks good. If it doesn't he was trying to do it efficiently and when the Dems come in and boost it to the levels it needs to be to win, it makes the dems look bad.

It's a win-win doing it that way


Party politics played little to no role in it. Rumsfeld's ego and his desire to show up Powell were far more important.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
January 14 2010 16:06 GMT
#14
On January 15 2010 00:49 cz wrote:
That's the problem with the system: the voters are too stupid to realize that sometimes you have to fold and you can't win every war. You take this voting group and put it in the 70s and the United States would still be in Vietnam.

Vietnam was fucking awesome, what are you trying to say here?
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meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
January 14 2010 16:06 GMT
#15
I guess the US will just keep borrowing more money from China.
Brood War loyalist
Exia
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States33 Posts
January 14 2010 16:07 GMT
#16
"If your not first your last."

Simply put...this war is a cancer. Some company is being awarded about $200 million to upgrade the M1A2 Abram tank. Recently Lockheed Marting sold 24 F-16's to Egypt for 3.6 billion...which would seem to be a move to increase it's stock value sadly. We have learned nothing from Gandhi damnit.
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Wurzelbrumpft
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Germany471 Posts
January 14 2010 16:09 GMT
#17
But if the us pulls out of iraq.. wouldnt that mean that they lost the war? Unthinkable!
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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 14 2010 16:09 GMT
#18
jaedong is the only answer
Archerofaiur
Profile Joined August 2008
United States4101 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-14 16:12:54
January 14 2010 16:11 GMT
#19
If we leave than the terrorists will have won, and they will all be laughing at us. Has Jack Bauer taught us nothing!
http://sclegacy.com/news/28-scl/250-starcraftlegacy-macro-theorycrafting-contest-winners
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6642 Posts
January 14 2010 16:13 GMT
#20
War is expensive business, this comes as no surprise.
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