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On the phone in a theater lol, but I'll answer what I can.
1) I think I said this, but I don't believe in ever giving town reads because that just says to scum "shoot these people"
2) I've played forum mafia for about a year now, maybe a little longer.
3) Syllo chose a path almost completely opposite to mine. If mine was stupid, his must have been the correct choice. Why would you need to tell other people your choices if you're the one who's taking full responsibility.
4) There was one goal, to see who did what. With the revised plan we got to see justification for six total choices. With sylo's we have gotten his picks and "these were my town reads". Awesome. Thankfully we won, but what if we had lost?
5) I need you to reference the certain reads post. I remember it but not the context. IIRC I was talking about people potentially being able to use sandro's flip.
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Okok, Im awake again.
I'd like to hear everyone's stance on a Robo roleclaim before the next party selection. Should Robo claim? When would be the best time for him to expose himself? Who should he replace on the team? Is it really worth exposing a strong member for the sake of him being there during the proper time period?
well?
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On November 24 2012 02:55 Dienosore wrote:
Okok, Im awake again.
I'd like to hear everyone's stance on a Robo roleclaim before the next party selection. Should Robo claim? When would be the best time for him to expose himself? Who should he replace on the team? Is it really worth exposing a strong member for the sake of him being there during the proper time period?
well?
not thinking about it right now, because it's totally irrelevant. Today we lynch scum. I suggest this is where you focus your energies.
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One thing at a time, I guess.
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Ok, now that I've gone through Goodkarma's filter, I know why I thought he might be scum.
When you look through his filter, literally the first half of it he almost only talks about what town should do, what people should do (with the one exception of his very first ingame post). There is a ton of stuff that just does not bring town anywhere. He looks like he is contributing, but nothing is really helping town.
Also, the tone of his posts seems so neutral, as if he was emotionally completely detached. This is probably what others described as "constructed", for me it is just strange because it seems he does not care at all. The best example for this is this post:
On November 22 2012 00:01 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 22:50 sandroba wrote:
I wouldn't mind syllo being leader either and if I win I will give him veto power over the people I choose. I'm fairly certain he is town at this point. I found this particular quote to be upsetting. I understand, on the one hand, if you have a town read on syllo. But I don't understand why you would be willing to go so far as to allow him to veto your picks. If you're not that confident in your choices, you should as well just have him pick for you... Or better yet, let him be party leader. As current "frontrunner" I would like a response from you on this scandal. Are you looking to concede and have syllo run in your stead, or was this merely an assertion that you are super-confident syllo is town?
He says he is upset, and calls it a scandal, which means it must have pissed him off. Bbut the tone of the post does not feel this way, it rather sounds as if he actually does not care.
Then, this post is an improvement. I actually liked that post from him, even if it was a bit long and overexplaining. But then he posted that he would have Sandroba on his team, and I was really confused by that.
Afterwards, it seems back to the old ways for him. When I look at his posts from today, it is mostly defending himself, a vote and post to sandroba, that's it.
Tl;dr: Too much fluff, a single scum read on the Bus of the day, looks emotionally detached.
Now, it is possible that this is his normal way of playing/writing, I am not familiar with his meta. However, for the above reasons, Goodkarma stands on the scummy side for me.
Goodkarma:
I see you have voted Sandroba. Can you name me up to three other people you also find suspicious, and why? I don't need a whole case, a short explanation what you think is scum motivated in their play would suffice.
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On November 24 2012 02:57 Dienosore wrote:
One thing at a time, I guess.
you have open questions directed at yourself regarding goodkarma. Hoppity hop ^_^
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Wait what did I miss why does robo need to claim?
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On November 24 2012 02:58 TheChronicler wrote:
Wait what did I miss why does robo need to claim?
he doesn't, we're not discussing that today.
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Okay, I went through Sandro's filter, and other than his absence at some key moments I cannot find anything scummy. He seems to be playing pretty standard for him, calling people town with no reason given. However, I am looking forward to him waking up and starting to play again.
Another thing to keep in mind is that from a game-setup point of view it is very very risky to put people like Sandro+Syllo on opposite alignments. Not quite as bad as Coag+Jackal (and the only game I've played with both of them DrH stuck both of them on the scumteam), but not something you can do without making a very serious consideration, as they are well-known for having each other's number. I don't want to let this weigh too heavily, because meta-speculation about the host is really dodgy ground, but I felt it was worth mentioning.
Syllo+Sand: do you have a recent (last half a year or so) game where you were opposite alignments? 3rd party doesn't count.
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Wtf... I had you marked as townie, but this post right here just killed that.
On November 24 2012 02:50 TheChronicler wrote:
On the phone in a theater lol, but I'll answer what I can.
1) I think I said this, but I don't believe in ever giving town reads because that just says to scum "shoot these people"
2) I've played forum mafia for about a year now, maybe a little longer.
3) Syllo chose a path almost completely opposite to mine. If mine was stupid, his must have been the correct choice. Why would you need to tell other people your choices if you're the one who's taking full responsibility.
4) There was one goal, to see who did what. With the revised plan we got to see justification for six total choices. With sylo's we have gotten his picks and "these were my town reads". Awesome. Thankfully we won, but what if we had lost?
5) I need you to reference the certain reads post. I remember it but not the context. IIRC I was talking about people potentially being able to use sandro's flip.
So just like that you agreed your post was stupid? Did you put any amount of thought into your plan, to be so easily convinced? Also, from a townie perspective, you'd want to choose a plan that was most similar to yours, no?
And really, just look at point number 1). IN NO WAY is that the complete opposite of what syllo suggested:
The only way me providing information regarding my picks gives you more information is if mafia decides to fight harder against my election due to my team being all town. I don't find it particularly likely that mafia would have behaved any differently today, unless perhaps if I had revealed my team much earlier. Revealing the team right now or even a few hours ago would have achieved nothing as I've been pretty much inevitable for longer than that. The reasons against disclosing the team, however, still stand.
It's clear that he is also not revealing his town reads. You now say you play for nearly a year, which makes your plan even more wtf. One year is nowhere close to being a newbie, which was why I had you as town.
You have some real explaining to do, this post here stinks.
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On November 24 2012 02:55 Dienosore wrote:
Okok, Im awake again.
I'd like to hear everyone's stance on a Robo roleclaim before the next party selection. Should Robo claim? When would be the best time for him to expose himself? Who should he replace on the team? Is it really worth exposing a strong member for the sake of him being there during the proper time period?
well?
We're not selecting a party, we're deciding who to lynch.
You can help us with that, though, there are questions for you! 
+ Show Spoiler [irrelevant bla about robo] +
Robo claiming is irrelevant atm. Even in the future I don't feel Robo as strongly as I did Frog: rescuing the queen felt integral to Frog's story and the developing plot. Robo feels irrelevant storywise (but then again, I'm not even halfway through the game yet, so /shrug).
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mementoss is out for 2 days, so bear with me
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If that JUST made me scum to you you're lying or not reading the thread. I already said that exact point earlier in the thread. Admitting my plan is faulty isn't scummy, it's honest. Why do you think it is?
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On November 24 2012 03:05 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, I went through Sandro's filter, and other than his absence at some key moments I cannot find anything scummy. He seems to be playing pretty standard for him, calling people town with no reason given. However, I am looking forward to him waking up and starting to play again.
Another thing to keep in mind is that from a game-setup point of view it is very very risky to put people like Sandro+Syllo on opposite alignments. Not quite as bad as Coag+Jackal (and the only game I've played with both of them DrH stuck both of them on the scumteam), but not something you can do without making a very serious consideration, as they are well-known for having each other's number. I don't want to let this weigh too heavily, because meta-speculation about the host is really dodgy ground, but I felt it was worth mentioning.
Syllo+Sand: do you have a recent (last half a year or so) game where you were opposite alignments? 3rd party doesn't count.
Haha. I've literally not been able to help myself considering sand/syllo/kita as some sort of superblock and I know that when I've found one of them scummier I've moved another down as less scummy for no reason.
One of the reasons I trusted in my vote in syllo was that sandroba called him definitely townie. Of all the possible alignments of the two of them, the only situation that would be worrying in is a sand/syllo scumteam, which I dismissed internally, for no particularly good reason... yeah.
Acro, syllo was town and sandroba was scum in Liar Game mafia, but it was a PM game so take what you will.
I am disquieted by syllo's lack of thread presence today, and I want kita to show up and answer for himself. sandroba we just gotta wait for atm.
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On November 24 2012 03:05 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, I went through Sandro's filter, and other than his absence at some key moments I cannot find anything scummy. He seems to be playing pretty standard for him, calling people town with no reason given. However, I am looking forward to him waking up and starting to play again.
Another thing to keep in mind is that from a game-setup point of view it is very very risky to put people like Sandro+Syllo on opposite alignments. Not quite as bad as Coag+Jackal (and the only game I've played with both of them DrH stuck both of them on the scumteam), but not something you can do without making a very serious consideration, as they are well-known for having each other's number. I don't want to let this weigh too heavily, because meta-speculation about the host is really dodgy ground, but I felt it was worth mentioning.
Syllo+Sand: do you have a recent (last half a year or so) game where you were opposite alignments? 3rd party doesn't count.
So I take it you are not so familiar with his meta? Because both Toad and Adam seemed to give him scum reads on meta.
I'm also disturbed on how syllo is reluctant to give a read on him. I've asked him twice at this time, and he still doesn't take a solid position. There are two newbies using the logic "syllo won the event ergo sand is scum" and that's going unopposed. I don't get why he's not taking a position against sand.
I second that a game in which syllo and sand played together as opposite alignments would be quite instructive. That way we can tell just how accurate these vet reads being made are and I'll be more comfortable regarding people's reads.
For the record I'm opposed to a sand lynch at this time, until more people comment on the cases on him, at least. Right now there are much better lynches, more into that in a bit.
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On November 24 2012 03:05 Z-BosoN wrote:Wtf... I had you marked as townie, but this post right here just killed that. Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 02:50 TheChronicler wrote:
On the phone in a theater lol, but I'll answer what I can.
1) I think I said this, but I don't believe in ever giving town reads because that just says to scum "shoot these people"
2) I've played forum mafia for about a year now, maybe a little longer.
3) Syllo chose a path almost completely opposite to mine. If mine was stupid, his must have been the correct choice. Why would you need to tell other people your choices if you're the one who's taking full responsibility.
4) There was one goal, to see who did what. With the revised plan we got to see justification for six total choices. With sylo's we have gotten his picks and "these were my town reads". Awesome. Thankfully we won, but what if we had lost?
5) I need you to reference the certain reads post. I remember it but not the context. IIRC I was talking about people potentially being able to use sandro's flip. So just like that you agreed your post was stupid? Did you put any amount of thought into your plan, to be so easily convinced? Also, from a townie perspective, you'd want to choose a plan that was most similar to yours, no? And really, just look at point number 1). IN NO WAY is that the complete opposite of what syllo suggested:Show nested quote +The only way me providing information regarding my picks gives you more information is if mafia decides to fight harder against my election due to my team being all town. I don't find it particularly likely that mafia would have behaved any differently today, unless perhaps if I had revealed my team much earlier. Revealing the team right now or even a few hours ago would have achieved nothing as I've been pretty much inevitable for longer than that. The reasons against disclosing the team, however, still stand. It's clear that he is also not revealing his town reads. You now say you play for nearly a year, which makes your plan even more wtf. One year is nowhere close to being a newbie, which was why I had you as town. You have some real explaining to do, this post here stinks.
I am completely confused by the bolded part. Number 1.) talks about him not givin townreads in general, which has nothing to do with his plan or syllo. His plan was to chose 3 people who would then chose the 3 people for the party. The 3 people he choses may very well be town, as he indicates for example here, and since he has to publicly call them out for them to make their picks, that would be him revealing his town reads.
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On November 24 2012 03:11 TheChronicler wrote:
If that JUST made me scum to you you're lying or not reading the thread. I already said that exact point earlier in the thread. Admitting my plan is faulty isn't scummy, it's honest. Why do you think it is?
Well, you managed to make a giant logic flip twice in your mind now.. and it feels like POST-HOC rationalization for your syllo vote, which is a direct scumtell.
Reasoning it out:
On November 24 2012 02:50 TheChronicler wrote:
3) Syllo chose a path almost completely opposite to mine. If mine was stupid, his must have been the correct choice. Why would you need to tell other people your choices if you're the one who's taking full responsibility.
So you were convinced your plan was bad. Good, it was. However, at the time, nor about 10 minutes ago did you give anybody the idea that you were convinced your plan was bad. You left off the plan saying it was "probably just bad"... which sounds more like you were cowed into silence than convinced. That was fine at the time.
We then have:
On November 24 2012 02:36 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 02:28 Acrofales wrote:On November 24 2012 02:25 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 01:52 Acrofales wrote:
@Chronicler: I think it's important to clear some stuff up and for that you will have to unsmurf.
I am very uncomfortable with you being a smurf, but playing like a noobie. If you are, in fact, a noobie hiding on a smurf (like we had in HRM) for TL reasons, claiming your identity will not suddenly set lights flashing everywhere. However, if you are someone acting as a misguided noobie as some hairbrained scheme, we need to know. Just like I told marv, I won't be unsmurfing. I'm alive and didn't take any damage, don't think I'm playing like a noob at all. Okay, so you're not picking the easy way out. Did you have some ulterior motive with your plan, or did you suggest it as a serious idea? The revised edition was my original plan but as I was posting it I got cute. Don't know why, that was bad. Was serious about the revised plan. I still think it was a good idea, but if I'm the only one thinking that it must have been bad.
So all this time, you thought your plan was a good idea. Yet you voted for Syllo, because "if your plan was bad, then the opposite of that plan must be good"? But you never thought your plan was bad in the first place.
There is no coherent train of thought here. It is a post-hoc rationalization of incongruent behaviour. You voted syllo to blend in with the crowd and it is coming back to bite you.
##vote TheChronicler
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EBWOP: "...which is the opposite of syllos plan". I should have added that at the end of my post to z-boson.
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Acro stop being bad. Go through my filter and you'll see me say my plan must be bad much earlier. You're pointing to a contradiction that doesn't exist. Sigh... What a useless diversion. Zbo scum?
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And I was one of the first to vote sylo rofl. So bad lol
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