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a) I did not claim Two-Face. Stop Lying.
b) While I cannot say anything about my role, I can tell you that the people my hits cannot penetrate are listed. The Mafia vet is not among them. It's the same four vets as catwoman and batman cannot hit, along with catwoman and batman themselves.
If Sheth flips miller, which he might, as you said lol, then we get some info out of that as well. And that info is that the foundation on which you have built your narrative is shaky lol
I did not build any narrative, and his flip has nothing to do with anything. You're being intentionally thick, you're trying to link together things that aren't linked for your own gain. You basically confirmed yourself as scum.
The entire "narrative" is:
Radfield has a red DT check on Sheth.
We lynch Sheth, which is normally the obvious play.
The only thing I added to this is:
Radfield cannot be Red because I hit him. So doing the obvious play is even more obvious.
But at this point I'd be fine with lynching you instead of Sheth.
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Based on the information we have, Vanilla Scum and Millers are completely indistinguishable. So there is no logical path that goes from "Sheth flips Miller" -> "Lynch Palmar/Radfield".
It's a fake link created by scum.
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If he flips town, and not miller, we obviously lynch radfield.
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On February 11 2012 00:22 Palmar wrote:a) I did not claim Two-Face. Stop Lying. b) While I cannot say anything about my role, I can tell you that the people my hits cannot penetrate are listed. The Mafia vet is not among them. It's the same four vets as catwoman and batman cannot hit, along with catwoman and batman themselves. Show nested quote +If Sheth flips miller, which he might, as you said lol, then we get some info out of that as well. And that info is that the foundation on which you have built your narrative is shaky lol I did not build any narrative, and his flip has nothing to do with anything. You're being intentionally thick, you're trying to link together things that aren't linked for your own gain. You basically confirmed yourself as scum. The entire "narrative" is: Radfield has a red DT check on Sheth. We lynch Sheth, which is normally the obvious play. The only thing I added to this is: Radfield cannot be Red because I hit him. So doing the obvious play is even more obvious. But at this point I'd be fine with lynching you instead of Sheth.
On February 09 2012 02:19 Palmar wrote:
I claim two-face too, you see, the role is shared between two people who are basically masons. That's why I told Toad he was dumb. I threw some suspicion on him day 1 without ever intending to lynch him (we're confirmed town to each other, obviously). Also I told him not to claim, but he refused to listen to that.
He's the "good" part (DT) and I'm the "bad" part (vigilante)
So yeah, I can confirm Toad's claim.
Does anybody think that this is acceptable?
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btw the game I labeled as best Town is not because I lead town to victory but because I was right many times
I was indeed too aggressive there
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Toad, you re making it harder and harder for me to play.
Why don t you please go through my filter, and believe me?
It would make both our livesand town s job easier
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Hey Joker.
You make sense.
I wonder why it's always the same group of people criticitizing everything.
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On February 11 2012 00:22 Palmar wrote:
Radfield cannot be Red because I hit him. So doing the obvious play is even more obvious.
I don't get it. You mentioned in your joker claim that you can't instakill vets. Scum has a vet. How do you conclude survived a shot => third. He obviously wouldn't claim vet as scum.
Will read the thread and make a bigger post...
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On February 11 2012 00:39 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 00:22 Palmar wrote:
Radfield cannot be Red because I hit him. So doing the obvious play is even more obvious.
I don't get it. You mentioned in your joker claim that you can't instakill vets. Scum has a vet. How do you conclude survived a shot => third. He obviously wouldn't claim vet as scum. Will read the thread and make a bigger post...
I have the same list of names I cannot kill as appear in Batman's and Catwoman's role. The mafia vet is not in that list.
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On February 11 2012 00:22 Palmar wrote:a) I did not claim Two-Face. Stop Lying. b) While I cannot say anything about my role, I can tell you that the people my hits cannot penetrate are listed. The Mafia vet is not among them. It's the same four vets as catwoman and batman cannot hit, along with catwoman and batman themselves. Show nested quote +If Sheth flips miller, which he might, as you said lol, then we get some info out of that as well. And that info is that the foundation on which you have built your narrative is shaky lol I did not build any narrative, and his flip has nothing to do with anything. You're being intentionally thick, you're trying to link together things that aren't linked for your own gain. You basically confirmed yourself as scum. The entire "narrative" is: Radfield has a red DT check on Sheth. We lynch Sheth, which is normally the obvious play. The only thing I added to this is: Radfield cannot be Red because I hit him. So doing the obvious play is even more obvious. But at this point I'd be fine with lynching you instead of Sheth.
a) lol ok
I did not build any narrative, and his flip has nothing to do with anything. You're being intentionally thick, you're trying to link together things that aren't linked for your own gain. You basically confirmed yourself as scum.
lol, how can you even say that?
Your narrative is that you are the joker, your shot is unblockable, you shot Radfield, therefore he is the Batman, that you will die tonight due to outing yourself as the joker, and that if Sheth flips mafia or miller then we move on as usual and "carry on by lynching scummy fuckers". This implies that, even if Sheth flips miller that we should all buy into this notion that Radfield is Batman when that is a horrible leap of logic. If Sheth is miller then we need to rethink the situation and be a bit more cynical. It is possible that you are lying. It is possible that Radfield is actually mafia since they have a DT role.
On February 11 2012 00:24 Palmar wrote:
If he flips town, and not miller, we obviously lynch radfield.
You forget to conveniently mention that if Sheth flips town then both you and Radfield need to be lynched since, as you said,
I can tell you that the people my hits cannot penetrate are listed. The Mafia vet is not among them. It's the same four vets as catwoman and batman cannot hit, along with catwoman and batman themselves.
Which means that if Radfield lied then he is probably mafia and thus your "unblockable" hit should have killed him and since it didn't that you lied about that hit as well. See. Everything is connected lol.
But at this point I'd be fine with lynching you instead of Sheth.
I don't mind it lol, bring it. Though suggesting to lynch me today is a pretty bad suggestion because it doesn't at all deal with the situation at hand and come tomorrow town will still have to deal with it. And if you're mafia then obviously that's bad for town no?
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Ok I might have figured something out that might end up troublesome.
Here's the deal: I'm either giving some information to a vet that is not involved into this whole bullshit and at the same time not behaving stupid right now (by exclusion that leaves us with kita) OR I'm going to ask a bunch (idk, maybe 4?) yes or no questions directed at Schworz.
So whoever is here firsts gets to give me advice considering the Schworz issue because I'm having troubles there right now.
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Toad, I can say you re already on the right track.
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ok here you are. Answer me this one:
Did you really check DocH yesterday? I want an honest answer on this one. Just a yes or a no.
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Actually fuck it.
##Unvote Sheth
##Vote Chaoser
Bitch got greedy, now bitch gonna pay.
Let's consider all the possible scenarios involving Radfield, Chaoser and Sheth. I am ignoring the scenarios where Radfield is lying about the DT check, because Sheth will flip sooner or later, and if he flips neither Scum nor Miller, Radfield is fucked. That makes no sense no matter what Radfield's alignment is.
So, the possibilities are:
1. Sheth is scum, Chaoser is scum
Looking at the interactions here, I don't think this is the case. If it is it's surprisingly good scum play from both of them. Chaosers direct push to actually lynch Sheth while keeping open the possibility of Sheth flipping miller would be a ridiculously powerful play to absolve him of any "knowledge" about the flip. I have almost no reason to believe this is the case.
2. Sheth is scum, Chaoser is town
This is a possibility, but why on earth is Chaoser focusing so hard on creating later opportunities for lynches? Why would he write something like this:
Either Sheth flips mafia or he doesn't and then we kill radfield/you/rg. No big problem lol.
If he thinks Sheth will actually flip scum??? If sheth flips scum shouldn't the people campaigning for his death day 1 (me) and bringing in the DT check from day 2 (Radfield) be the last people you want to lynch? Most townies in this game feel good lynching Sheth because they believe Radfield's DT claim, because... well... it makes sense to believe it.
It's okay to consider the possibility, But if chaoser is town, he would have to take a stance. a) I think sheth is town, and thus I won't vote for him or b) I think sheth is scum and thus I will vote for him.
Sheth is Miller, Chaoser is town
Surprisingly, this is EXACTLY the same scenario as the one before. If chaoser is town he has no reason to distrust Radfield's DT claim, it's simply not logical to think Radfield is lying. Thus the ONLY reason one would ever not lynch Sheth is if you have a strong reason to believe he's town, and thus miller.
Chaoser hasn't produced any such reasons. He seems to be perfectly happy with lynching Sheth. this is a contradiction because if he had a strong reason to believe Sheth will flip miller, he'd also have a strong reason to try and turn his wagon around. But he's fine with Sheth dying, he just wants to make sure the wrong people get incriminated for it.
Incidentally, I now have a real strong reason to believe Sheth will flip town. Chaoser kindly provided me with it.
Sheth is Miller, Chaoser is Scum
This is what's going on.
Chaoser, as I've stated is perfectly fine with killing Sheth. But for some reason, he seems to be particularly interested what happens if he flips Miller.
Only in this situation does it make sense for chaoser to try to incriminate for example Radfield (not to mention myself, who has nothing to do with the situation, except telling people Radfield isn't scum).
Why would Radfield need to be lynched, but only if sheth flips miller? Chaoser says this straight up here:
On February 10 2012 23:00 chaoser wrote:
If Sheth doesn't flip mafia then the scenario you've been pushing as the real narrative all falls down.
Either Sheth flips mafia or he doesn't and then we kill radfield/you/rg. No big problem lol.
Please read this. Chaoser is literally putting the burden of telling apart millers and scum on Radfield's shoulders, and threatening a lynch if he fails. And somehow I'm in there too, probably because I gave the information Radfield is not scum (but 3rd party).
Because I can't stress this enough:
Sheth flipping scum or miller cannot have any impact on reads on Radfield (and me or other people pushing his lynch). We're lynching him based on a DT check we have a reason to believe. That DT check makes no difference between millers and scum, thus him flipping miller says nothing about the people who want him dead.
and yet Chaoser is perfectly fine with pushing that terrible logic.
This makes no sense if he's town. If he's town, he's just as responsible as me or Radfield or anyone else voting for sheth for killing sheth. If he thinks Sheth will flip scum, he should be supporting me and radfield. If he doesn't he should be opposing us. He's doing neither.
He's supporting killing sheth, while setting Radfield and I up for a lynch later in the game, based on sheth flipping miller.
This is not a difficult decision.
I think I've proven beyond any reasonable doubt that Chaoser is scum. I will die tonight. Batman will shoot me. Please, please, please follow my lead and kill chaoser off instead of sheth.
This will be a hard lynch. The mafia will be actively fighting it. But we _need_ to get it right.
Don't allow fear to stop you. The lines will be drawn here. Don't be the sheep town that goes with the easy lynch. If every townie reads this, realizes I'm fucking right, and then makes a stand. It will be VERY easy to pick out the mafia.
Do the right thing.
Chaoser is scum
##Vote Chaoser
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On February 11 2012 00:48 Toadesstern wrote:
Ok I might have figured something out that might end up troublesome.
Here's the deal: I'm either giving some information to a vet that is not involved into this whole bullshit and at the same time not behaving stupid right now (by exclusion that leaves us with kita) OR I'm going to ask a bunch (idk, maybe 4?) yes or no questions directed at Schworz.
So whoever is here firsts gets to give me advice considering the Schworz issue because I'm having troubles there right now.
Toad, I would suggest we just keep dead shut until later. Schworz isn't going to be the lynch today. I think I know what you want to do, but just... don't do it right now.
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How can I give you the answer without giving anyone else the answer?
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I've been waiting for a chance to use this gif lol
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On February 11 2012 01:05 rgTheSchworz wrote:
How can I give you the answer without giving anyone else the answer?
you can give the answer to everyone I don't care but I need to know if you checked him yesterday. Just write yes or no in the thread and I hope for your safety that you're telling the truth.
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Chaoser, please, tell me. Did You see a red spy on the way here?
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