Experiment Mafia I - Page 9

Bashful hasn't contributed much. He put a vote on me with little to no justification. It makes it look like he's trying to get the bandwagon rolling. His discussion has centered entirely around the claim / no claim debate, and he hasn't bothered to pressure anybody directly. In fact, he hasn't posted all day.

On April 16 2011 22:48 tiberius1 wrote:
Happy, are you advising that we mass claim DESPITE the mod telling us it would be a bad idea? Are you serious? If scum has one roleblocker, they can block medic protection and then kill the cops. Why would you advocate this? It seems to me like an extremely scummy idea.

I'm not saying you're scum (yet), but explain what you're trying to say please.

I'm getting awfully suspicious of caligula and augustus here... they've basically created an argument out of nothing. Perhaps trying to make themselves seem more pro-town? Both seem far more interested in scumhunting day fucking 1 than in creating a good town atmosphere

(not saying scum hunting is bad, just that building a good atmosphere is far more important on day 1. lynch is usually useless and nobody has any analytical material yet).

However, if we were to assume that no mafia has put themselves forward yet this game as a major power player, we'd be idiots. So I think that one of the two of cal/aug (include me to make 3 if you're REALLY unsure) is probably mafia.

I guess we got some targets for checks tonight. me/cal/aug

I guess I'm arguing that mafia isn't horrible and is lurking right now, but I think that in a game RoL is hosting and has so much on the line for, mafia is probably decent players given their % count of the town.

Just because your playstyle dictates that players that come up with good plans are automatically green doesnt mean that mine does, especially for a plan like mine which is recursive and logically demands that I include myself in it.

On April 17 2011 05:06 tiberius1 wrote:
Oh shit. I should probably get a vote in then.

#vote sneezy1 because he literally hasn't posted yet and I want to apply a little pressure.

On April 17 2011 12:36 tiberius1 wrote:
Sooooo people should start posting scum lists... I'm the only one whose done one so far and its a good way to force people out in the open.

On April 16 2011 14:30 dopey1 wrote:
Well okey dokey, I think it's wise to follow the "don't roleclaim" advice (as of now) if the host says so. 2 mafia of 11 seems rather scarce, no? Makes me feel a little shorthanded in the blue department. Also, no role reveal is a bitch, but not like it matters too much yet. I'm guessing with one(?) mafia KP, we should probably vote for it by day 3 regardless and have a potential vig save his shot so we can address different outcomes better.

Besides that, I ain't got shit to say lol...

On April 16 2011 17:20 dopey1 wrote:
I'm thinking because of the GF part? No roles are guaranteed to be in the set-up. I do believe he is right about claims being easily faked. Though I personally think GF is unlikely with no role-reveal. All depends though

On April 17 2011 21:52 caligula1 wrote:
Seeing as dopey is getting modkilled

Unvote
Vote augustus1

On April 17 2011 19:03 bashful1 wrote:

So a pressure vote on you is not direct pressure in your world? I know better than to bandwagon people, in fact I'm pretty certain I scared other people away from voting you. I stand by my vote based on that one post, lucky for you someone popped ahead of you in queue.

Happy provided the one bit of insightful posts in the thread today, rest has been pointless finger pointing. He has also continued to scum hunt and promote activity.

I don't like Tiberius' posting at all:
Points a finger. Doesn't want to commit.
This was posted literally hours into day1. Nobody has posted anything yet. Why would I commit to an FOS based on 6 posts, 4 of them spam?

Points a finger...
...but does not commit.

Classic scum, people already pushed this point beyond reasonableness though.


Pointless plan. What about DT checks who he finds suspicious instead of who asks for it?
Uh... this is exactly that? I just posted who I found suspicious? I included myself for reasons I've posted about numerous times. Its increasingly obvious to me that my analysis was dead on, since people have been coming out of the woodwork to demonstrate why I can't be trusted.

"suspect myself but not really" WIFOM.

You clearly aren't reading very closely. Go back and read the context and this will make much more sense.

His vote. How the hell is it a good idea to put pressure on, if you where just prodded to place a vote before time runs out. Sounds like scum that just want to park the vote somewhere.
How was what you did any different at all? You voted for grumpy based on ONE post and then disappeared for ages. I posted like 12 times giving you all the fodder to make this analysis, came up with a plan for judging scumminess, and posted a scumlist, while you read exactly one post by grumpy and hopped on the bandwagon. To answer your question, its a good idea to apply pressure WHEN IT WORKS. Sneezy posted for the first time in this thread the MINUTE that I voted for him, and it was tangential. Shows hes been reading the thread but hasn't been contributing. I had considered voting YOU before sneezy, but you had that one magnificant post, which along with this one brings your total contribution to this game up to two.
It's a good way to post pointless list. Names are irrelevant, reasons are where it's at. On the same thought thanks for the vote count.

Guess you are off the hook Grumpy1, bigger fish in the sea...

Yes, posting pointless scum lists are a great way to blend in... if everyone else is posting scumlsits! But nobody was. I was the only person (along with happy, i guess, who is the only person in this game I'm convinced is town) who posted any sort of scumlist at all. Drawing attention to myself like that would be stupid. Why don't you post your own scumlist? If you don't post more you're going to be just as useless as sneezy has been this game.

On April 17 2011 23:31 tiberius1 wrote:



WTF is this!? 8 minutes before the day ends he switches his vote?

Vigs hit caligula

This was posted literally hours into day1. Nobody has posted anything yet. Why would I commit to an FOS based on 6 posts, 4 of them spam?

Its increasingly obvious to me that my analysis was dead on, since people have been coming out of the woodwork to demonstrate why I can't be trusted.

How was what you did any different at all? You voted for grumpy based on ONE post and then disappeared for ages. I posted like 12 times giving you all the fodder to make this analysis, came up with a plan for judging scumminess, and posted a scumlist, while you read exactly one post by grumpy and hopped on the bandwagon. To answer your question, its a good idea to apply pressure WHEN IT WORKS. Sneezy posted for the first time in this thread the MINUTE that I voted for him, and it was tangential. Shows hes been reading the thread but hasn't been contributing. I had considered voting YOU before sneezy, but you had that one magnificant post, which along with this one brings your total contribution to this game up to two.

Yes, posting pointless scum lists are a great way to blend in... if everyone else is posting scumlsits! But nobody was. I was the only person (along with happy, i guess, who is the only person in this game I'm convinced is town) who posted any sort of scumlist at all. Drawing attention to myself like that would be stupid. Why don't you post your own scumlist? If you don't post more you're going to be just as useless as sneezy has been this game.

On April 18 2011 00:09 caligula1 wrote:


And? Augustus was a much better lynch than sneezy. Calling for a vig hit night 1 puts you at the top of my scumlist as well.

On April 18 2011 01:00 bashful1 wrote:

Yeah if you raise it you don't straight away try to devalue it. That's just trying to avoid attention. If you don't believe in it, you are suspicious.
This is actually a good point, and I wasn't directly involved I might be swayed by this. The reason for it is simple: Its not my style to accuse people right away. You don't know who I am so you can't judge from meta, but I'm honestly not the aggressive type of player. I don't generally FOS somebody on the first page of the game like happy did. I realize, however, that aggression has its purposes. Hence my lukewarm attempt at pulling sneezy out into the open, and the posts you were quoting here.


There is 2 scum in this game... lol.
Actually, this isn't true. There are 2 MAFIA in a game with 12 players. Do you really think that there are no traitors? We're probably looking at a game with 2 scum and at least one traitor. So when I say 'people are coming out of the walls' I wasn't be metaphorical.


Yeah I had other things to do. I read the post, read the analysis, read the post again and agreed with the analysis. Grumpy remains my second suspect, basicly because noone else has said anything memorable.

This is no flip, scum has few reasons not to be vocal, since town information is so limited. I pointed out where you actually contributed and when you just posted for the sake of posting. The difference between you and Happy is I found your contributions to be a lot less substantial. I'm indifferent to sneezy though, you might have a point there.

"Scum has few reasons not to be vocal" is yet another piece of evidience that my initial analysis was correct, as was my arguements against sneezy. If so, that means that my contributions have SOME substance. I'm reading a bit of a contradiction here.



I'm not saying scum lists are bad, I'm saying you can't just make a list of names with no reasons. Who's that supposed to convince? You where already in the spotlight defending yourself, hence I'm watchful for contributions that really aren't contributions.


Ok, this is another good point. Here is my scumlist with reasons for it. In the spirit of your earlier point, I'll be very aggressive. Oh boy!
1. Sneezy, for lurking until prodded and then posting something scummy/tangential to the important conversations that were happening, which is evidence that he is following the thread but not posting in it. Lurking scum/traitor? Either way I want him gone.
2. doc1, for entirely dodging sleepy's pressure.
3. Caligula for his last minute vote on augustus, which saved sneezy's scummy neck. Saving his scumbuddy sneezy perhaps?

On April 18 2011 03:07 tiberius1 wrote:


There is 2 scum in this game... lol.
Actually, this isn't true. There are 2 MAFIA in a game with 12 players. Do you really think that there are no traitors? We're probably looking at a game with 2 scum and at least one traitor. So when I say 'people are coming out of the walls' I wasn't be metaphorical.

On April 18 2011 03:58 happy1 wrote:
What made you think Dopey was going to be mod killed?

On April 17 2011 22:46 sneezy1 wrote:
Are sneezy and the gang allowed to discuss game-related things at night or should they be sleeping?

And sorry everyone for forgetting to vote someone, haven't had the best day ever, RL affairs came in the way >.<