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On November 18 2010 04:36 Fa1nT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 04:26 GP wrote:
I can't believe Idra doesn't think Nestea's any good. The reason Nestea's better than Idra is exactly as Idra admitted. He's one-dimensional strategically, but also that Nestea can adapt mid series to his opponent's build and playstyle. Idra has proven (and admitted) that he can't do this, which is why he gets knocked out by apparent scrubs like Masq. Anyway best of luck to him, but I think if he had a rematch with Zenio, Zenio would probably win again. Why do you assume that "______ is bad" is IdrA saying "I am am 100x better than that scrub bmbmbmbm" He said cool is "good", and cool won GSL1 by a lot. "good" is not very expressive, Artosis would say "amazing!!!!". So why would his negative opinion be any more expressive? It's not like he's saying Tea is "the worst player ever, he should never play again.", like this board seems to think.. It seems to me he thinks people are either "good" or "bad". IdrA can say someone is bad, then lose to them in a BO3, and still think they are bad. Does that make IdrA "bad" as well? For that single Ro3, he probably thinks yes, he played bad, and that is what drives him to practice more.
I have no idea what you're trying to say, you just put a whole bunch of words in my mouth. I still feel that way. Idra is an amazing player. I just don't think he's better than Nestea at all.
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Ah Artosis I love your interviews.
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More iNcontroL stuff pls, I love that guy! :D
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Lol HuK is one tiny little guy. ^^
iNc > all obviously.
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iNcontroL is hilarious lol.
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The amount of fanboyism is amazing in this Thread. Overrating and estimating nada and slayers boxer??? Clearly false. The poll on the right was who will make it furthest in gsl2. Idra had an amazing lead. He made it the least furthest. People expected him to repeat Dallas. This was far from it. People exceedingly over rate idra when it's obvious there's several reasons he still isn't the tip top player everyone makes him out to be.
And I can't believe a poster told me to grow up and see past idras bad manner.... How does that even apply
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On November 18 2010 05:30 adeezy wrote:
The amount of fanboyism is amazing in this Thread. Overrating and estimating nada and slayers boxer??? Clearly false. The poll on the right was who will make it furthest in gsl2. Idra had an amazing lead. He made it the least furthest. People expected him to repeat Dallas. This was far from it. People exceedingly over rate idra when it's obvious there's several reasons he still isn't the tip top player everyone makes him out to be.
And I can't believe a poster told me to grow up and see past idras bad manner.... How does that even apply
All the replays of Nada and Boxer we had seen were pretty poor and Idra had consistently beaten them on ladder. It was a reasonable assumption, even with fanboy bias, to assume Idra would make further. I'm still not convinced Boxer is a top terran currently. Nada is better, despite losing to him, but him failing to qualify shows he also has some work to do. Furthermore, as you probably know the game has some variance involved. Finally, Idra placed 9-16 in gsl 2, I guess that's not high enough.
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I agree it was reasonable. But it doesn't change how results have been and since MLG DC we haven't seen anything amazing from idrA. Seems like just a lot of talk. I see more promise in ret. Hopefully we see him get the furthest, I'm rooting for him the most
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On November 18 2010 05:48 adeezy wrote:
I agree it was reasonable. But it doesn't change how results have been and since MLG DC we haven't seen anything amazing from idrA. Seems like just a lot of talk. I see more promise in ret. Hopefully we see him get the furthest, I'm rooting for him the most
Uh, there's been one event
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I love you Artosis, thanks so much for this!
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Lol yeah I know. But it's not like his performance in the gsl has been amazing either though there's only been two... Ro16 is very good don't get me wrong. But I'm talking in a game by game basis
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On November 18 2010 04:39 mols0n wrote:
Thing is Idra talks the talk but you have to back it up and he can't
He placed 1st in MLG DC. I think thats backing it up...
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On November 18 2010 04:36 Fa1nT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 04:26 GP wrote:
I can't believe Idra doesn't think Nestea's any good. The reason Nestea's better than Idra is exactly as Idra admitted. He's one-dimensional strategically, but also that Nestea can adapt mid series to his opponent's build and playstyle. Idra has proven (and admitted) that he can't do this, which is why he gets knocked out by apparent scrubs like Masq. Anyway best of luck to him, but I think if he had a rematch with Zenio, Zenio would probably win again. Why do you assume that "______ is bad" is IdrA saying "I am am 100x better than that scrub bmbmbmbm" He said cool is "good", and cool won GSL1 by a lot. "good" is not very expressive, Artosis would say "amazing!!!!". So why would his negative opinion be any more expressive? It's not like he's saying Tea is "the worst player ever, he should never play again.", like this board seems to think.. It seems to me he thinks people are either "good" or "bad". IdrA can say someone is bad, then lose to them in a BO3, and still think they are bad. Does that make IdrA "bad" as well? For that single Ro3, he probably thinks yes, he played bad, and that is what drives him to practice more.
the thing is, GP never said Idra saying "____ is bad" meant Idra is saying "I am 100x better than that scrub bmbmbmbm" so first of all, you should stop shoving words of your own interpretation into people's mouths.
second, ur right that idra can say someone is bad, then lose to them, and still think they are bad. everyone is entitled to their own opinions, w/e they are. whether or not that is the right attitude to have when you're trying to improve and learn from your losses is questionable, but not wrong in any way of course.
the fact is though, whether or not idra thinks people with much better achievements (nestea) than him are "bad" (achievements which he himself couldn't achieve that is), whether or not idra thinks he's the best zerg and cannot accept that he's actually not, it doesn't matter and no one should care since what matters is results.
we don't need blind idra fans like you trying to defend every single bm idra does because people like us will only ever gain respect for idra through his play and results.
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On November 18 2010 06:23 Malhorn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 04:39 mols0n wrote:
Thing is Idra talks the talk but you have to back it up and he can't He placed 1st in MLG DC. I think thats backing it up...
The problem is most people(including the enormous amounts of fanboys on TL) think that win is worth nothing compared to SK. Because apparently the United States, Canada, Europe.. or any country that's not asian is poo compared to SK.
Which is horseshit really. US didn't play a lot of BW, ok. I'll tell you right now, when foreigners catch up, there's going to be a lot of tears going around these boards. You won't find a more competitive player than an American one.. so good luck South Korea.
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On November 18 2010 06:37 reg0ner wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 06:23 Malhorn wrote:On November 18 2010 04:39 mols0n wrote:
Thing is Idra talks the talk but you have to back it up and he can't He placed 1st in MLG DC. I think thats backing it up... The problem is most people(including the enormous amounts of fanboys on TL) think that win is worth nothing compared to SK. Because apparently the United States, Canada, Europe.. or any country that's not asian is poo compared to SK. Which is horseshit really. US didn't play a lot of BW, ok. I'll tell you right now, when foreigners catch up, there's going to be a lot of tears going around these boards. You won't find a more competitive player than an American one.. so good luck South Korea.
The only foreigners that have any chance of "catching up" are ones in Korea. The stupid background of players doesn't matter. The only way for people to be the best is to consistently practice and play against the best and that's only gonna happen in Korea for now because gaming is a huge, real profession there and has been for awhile so they're already set up for that. Gamers there make more money, relatively, winning a tournament than most Americans do working for a year and that's not including team salary.
And 1st in MLG DC isn't worth comparing to GSL, the only sc2 tournament in South Korea right now. Idra easily won DC then got beaten 2-0 by a clearly better and more well prepared opponent and I hope Idra runs into Nestea in GSL3 because Nestea won't lose to Idra - it just won't happen. Idra is just starting to bother me now, he's good enough where he doesn't have to shoot jabs at other players in interviews. If he'd just shut up, play and vary his game a bit more, I'd be a huge fan.
Back on topic, Artosis' camera shooting is awesome - walk around, check out female protoss player's screen, check out female protoss from two angles, check out nada lol, walk around, sees a non-korean he doesn't know, "look another white guy! hey white guy etcetc." lol great footage and interviews, especially the inc interview, he has a great personality and is funny, too bad I don't think he'll be staying in Korea very long.
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On November 17 2010 15:57 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Artosis was feeling sick that day and STILL he works so hard <3 that guy
lol youre hilarious, im watching the second video and you look at the camera with an intense face and then just burst out laughing
this made my day
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nice videos, finally got a video of huk and how he likes the korean girls, rofl. xD
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Guys guys. stop arguing over the IdrA BM stuff. He's just sore that he can't win GSL. As they say, weakest dogs bark the loudest. And compared to many Top tier Korean players, IdrA is pretty weak. I would say the difference between me (1300 diamond) and IdrA, though it is probably very very large, is about the same as the difference between IdrA and top level koreans.
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Idra is no where close to NesTea's level yet he still talks down to him. That's how you know he's a sore loser
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