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Ryps
Romania2740 Posts
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Mr.Loki
Germany136 Posts
It's a pity that Huk and Incontrol did not qualify, they seem nice, especially Incontrols interviews (or him interviewing) are great to watch (not compared to watching his games, but to watching other more characterless interviews...) @the Idra-bm-discussion: On November 17 2010 22:42 kojinshugi wrote: There's a whole spectrum of responses between "Zergbong is excellent" and "Zergbong is bad". Obviously Idra wants to don the mantle of the heel, so good luck with that. But don't praise him for his "frankness". I'm not to sure with my translation of "don the mantle of the heel", but I think I got your point nonetheless. I think it's clear, that the problem lies mainly in the interpretation of things. For example the "Zergbong is bad". Would you be offended, if i thought you were bad at starcraft? Chances are, you are much better than me, so it's just me not understanding the game. But if I do not understand it, it's nothing that should bother you. In case I was better, relative to my skill you were bad. So again nothing to be offended by (still just the thought, nothing spoken and really only concerning the sc-skill). But, as most people tend to euphemize things the very neutral statement "I think he is bad", or, as most of the stuff you don't prove are opinions "He is bad", suddenly gets a negative flavor, just because it sounds worse than "He plays not quite as solid, as ...", what others would have said. This goes thus far, that even personal offenses are read into something, which literally is none. Now why do you think communication is nicer when it works like: I think you are bad, I say "Well, there are some points he could improve..." -> others hear it and translate it back to "He thinks, he is bad.", instead of: I think you are bad, I say "He is bad." -> others hear it. (I guess partly it's a not saying your opinion, but then that's really not beeing frank. There are clearer examples, like the "gg" shifting from "beeing nice" to "beeing neutral" and simultaneously saying nothing from "beeing neutral" to "bm".) So what's the conclusion, if I prefer the direct way? I'll have to use it, otherwise I'm one of the many who makes saying "You are bad" standing out of the rest and thus beeing an offense. Of course it's not always recommended, as sometimes it would result in bad stuff for you, or others, then it's probably better to take the lesser evil. But in the end you can't blame someone for not considering the way others interpret stuff, when you in the same time do not consider his interpretation. And concerning Idra to me it doesn't seem like he desperatly tries to offend other people. (Though I have to say that I just began following the bw- and sc2-scene, when the tsl started, a year ago, or something. So maybe I missed some previous stuff.) | ||
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heaven-
United States361 Posts
Do not follow what you are saying. :| You are probably 100% right but for some reason I do not understand what you are saying... i am sick tho so mb brain kind of shut down right now lol. I don't understand why people freak out over what Idra said... he doesn't think nestea is that good....who gives a shit what he thinks or not....he has his reasons for saying them.... Does not matter in the least bit. The end result is, Nestea won gsl2 and Idra did not....so idra can talk but it honestly does not matter. Whether he is right or wrong time will tell, I for one think idra usually speaks the truth. For example he said huk was not going to do much in gsl 3, probably not even qualify and there you have it. Either way words are words. On to more important and relevant things.... Holy shit at FruitDealer................................That was waaaay way close. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On November 18 2010 03:32 heaven- wrote: I will be the first to say... I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about Mr. Loki.... I don't understand why people freak out over what Idra said... he doesn't think nestea is that good....who gives a shit what he thinks or not....he has his reasons for saying them.... Does not matter in the least bit. A lot of people would prefer the pro scene to be really boring and bland with no one actually speaking their mind. A lot of people also still don't understand statistics and variance. | ||
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reg0ner
United States56 Posts
Little trash talk never hurt anyone, you guys need to just simmer down. Welcome to sports101. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On November 18 2010 02:50 Koshi wrote: Somewhere I found Artosis being more BM than Idra. Still everybody is talking about Idra... Yep, I somewhat like them both, but as far as rudeness goes, I would go with Artosis. But I have different opinion on rude than most people. I find Idra's attitude refreshing, because I hate people who sugarcoat their opinions or hide their dislike behind patronizing comments. And the latter is sometimes the feel I get from Artosis, but maybe I am misreading something. Anyway the person who said that keeping opinions to yourself is good thing to do : sometimes, mostly not. I don't mind rudeness towards me if it is just a vent for emotions and there is also some substance to what that person is saying. What I hate most are polite people, who talk behind your back, have no opinion, the mindless middle. I think the concept of BM in Starcraft got so extended that now it basically means anything that is not the utmost politeness. | ||
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Slardar
Canada7596 Posts
I'll agree Fruitdealer won outright, and with more ingenuity and creativity, NesTea on the other hand is SO mechanically sound AND flexible, able to throw a vast repertoire of strategies at you, all of them refined. Half the all-in timings could have failed in G3 & G4 if Foxer faked more marines and switched to a Mech/safe style knowing he was up 2-0. He was asking for it, but to execute some of them to such perfect timing you have to give credit where it's due, to NesTea. On November 18 2010 03:05 syllogism wrote: He isn't basing his assessment on his GSL matches, but rather ladder/general opinion in Korea Sorry, is that just your take on IdrA's harping or do you have evidence of that? To be honest "ladder games" and "general opinion" don't weigh for much when you have a $85,000 check in your pocket. Nestea may not be the best or creative in many peoples eyes, but he STEPPED UP when it counted, and that's what really counts. Boxer said it best, it doesn't matter who is the better/best player what matter's is who is able to bring out their greatest potential when it matters. | ||
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Phrencys
Canada270 Posts
Edit: Also lol @HuK giving a shoutout to Korean hoes. | ||
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Blobskillz
Germany548 Posts
Would Foxer have played more macro style I think he would have wiped the floor with NesTea. I dont wanna say that he is bad he got to the finals after all but somehow to me it didnt feel right that he won the finals and I say that as a Zerg player. | ||
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Malhorn
United States148 Posts
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Altern
United States1053 Posts
On November 18 2010 03:53 Blobskillz wrote: I'm not sure how you guys feel about it but in my opinion the GSL2 finals were not showing Foxers A-game. He was basically doing the same crappy rush all the time, of course it wont work 4 times in a row. Would Foxer have played more macro style I think he would have wiped the floor with NesTea. I dont wanna say that he is bad he got to the finals after all but somehow to me it didnt feel right that he won the finals and I say that as a Zerg player. Well Foxers A game IS doing rushes all the time lol. If anything, his macro game is weaker. Back on topic: That FruitDealer game was intense, and it was nice to see his sigh of relief. | ||
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
On November 18 2010 03:02 Technique wrote: Yea idra would lose to it and then call foxer a ''lucky cheeser'' :d. IdrA "underestimating" players is better than what TeamLiquid board does. OVERESTIMATE many korean players like nada and tester, who even thought they didn't make it, everyone just pulls the "oh he is still amazing because _____, ______, and ______", when if IdrA did not qualify, everyone would just be like "Lol, expected as much, he has been slipping lately, he sucks, blahdy blah blah, white people can't compete". | ||
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bnanaPEEL
Canada138 Posts
I can finally hear Ret! | ||
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cubicle47b
United States14 Posts
I think it would be really cool if you could shoot some footage of the oGs/Team Liquid house to see how they live and train, Idra's apartment, some more of South Korea, etc. Some of that might be too invasive for them, though. | ||
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GP
United States1056 Posts
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Reedy
United Kingdom185 Posts
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mols0n
Canada388 Posts
On November 18 2010 04:26 GP wrote: I can't believe Idra doesn't think Nestea's any good. The reason Nestea's better than Idra is exactly as Idra admitted. He's one-dimensional strategically, but also that Nestea can adapt mid series to his opponent's build and playstyle. Idra has proven (and admitted) that he can't do this, which is why he gets knocked out by apparent scrubs like Masq. Anyway best of luck to him, but I think if he had a rematch with Zenio, Zenio would probably win again. Totally agreed Zenio just outsmarted Idra and simply outplayed him in that series. The violent outburst was totally deserved, Idra asks for it | ||
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
On November 18 2010 04:26 GP wrote: I can't believe Idra doesn't think Nestea's any good. The reason Nestea's better than Idra is exactly as Idra admitted. He's one-dimensional strategically, but also that Nestea can adapt mid series to his opponent's build and playstyle. Idra has proven (and admitted) that he can't do this, which is why he gets knocked out by apparent scrubs like Masq. Anyway best of luck to him, but I think if he had a rematch with Zenio, Zenio would probably win again. Why do you assume that "______ is bad" is IdrA saying "I am am 100x better than that scrub bmbmbmbm" He said cool is "good", and cool won GSL1 by a lot. "good" is not very expressive, Artosis would say "amazing!!!!". So why would his negative opinion be any more expressive? It's not like he's saying Tea is "the worst player ever, he should never play again.", like this board seems to think.. It seems to me he thinks people are either "good" or "bad". IdrA can say someone is bad, then lose to them in a BO3, and still think they are bad. Does that make IdrA "bad" as well? For that single Ro3, he probably thinks yes, he played bad, and that is what drives him to practice more. | ||
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mols0n
Canada388 Posts
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moxley
United States65 Posts
I think we need some more HayprO love on TL.. I felt so bad for him during his interview when he was talking about nobody voting for him in the polls and nobody really knowing who he is.. he seems like such a nice guy, but I guess because he's soft (nearly non-)spoken he doesn't garner as much attention here. I searched for a HayprO fan club thread but no one's made one yet.. I'm so glad he's qualified this season, hopefully his fan base will grow a bunch, especially here in his home community! | ||
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