Hey all! In this thread I will be posting all the videos I made for the GSL Season 3 Qualifiers. I will be updating it all day today, and probably all day tomorrow (until its all up) as more get uploaded to youtube, so keep checking back! I have about 4x the footage than people saw from day 1!
Day 2
Day 2 of GSL Season 3 Qualifiers - Part 1 of 4
Day 2 of GSL Season 3 Qualifiers - Part 2 of 4
Day 2 of GSL Season 3 Qualifiers - Part 3 of 4
Day 2 of GSL Season 3 Qualifiers - Part 4 of 4
Liquid`HuK's final match in GSL 3 qualifiers - Part 1 of 2
Liquid`HuK's final match in GSL 3 qualifiers - Part 2 of 2
Fruitdealer final match in GSL 3 qualifiers - Part 1 of 2
Fruitdealer final match in GSL 3 qualifiers - Part 2 of 2
Liquid`Ret's final match at GSL 3 qualifiers - Part 1 of 2
Liquid`Ret's final match at GSL 3 qualifiers - Part 2 of 2
EG.IdrA interviewed by EG.iNcontroL at GSL 3, day 2
Awesome, thx for the vids Artosis. Also, it was awesome to meet and talk with you and some of the other guys there, definitely made my experience that much more enjoyable
Awesome videos! Glad HuK is enjoying the transition to Korea, and actually enjoying it more than Canada. The Ret video is great, the confidence is great. Idra being Idra, I'm happy for him though for having great zvz practice partners now though, this will help him a lot.
Awesome videos and interviews! However, watching the video of the girl playing felt a little creepy/stalkerish though... sadly I watched the whole thing too.
Interesting that IdrA finds Nestea overrated and Fruitdealer genuinely good given that Artosis has offered essentially the opposite assessment. They usually agree about stuff like that. A ZvZ between them would be a sweet match for sure.
Oh man HuK is like my twin. I like to take at least two showers a day... its kinda like how some people smoke I guess. I also have a favorite pillow that I carry around. I'm wearing my hoodie, too.
On November 17 2010 15:45 I_Love_Bacon wrote: People really, really need to learn to distinguish between speaking your mind earnestly and being BM.
Actually the expectation in reaching adulthood is learning to realize that speaking your mind earnestly often is BM.
Different environment. You're in a legitimate competitive environment where skill is actually measured and discussed all the time. He's not working in at Walmart looking for advancement.
I honestly don't understand what world people live in where somebody asks you a question and you're expected to lie. If your boss is, perhaps sucking up is the right answer or if you girlfriend asks if she looks fat in something. But what if your boss asked your opinion of your coworkers? He's not telling you to throw them under the bus or taddle, but just what you honestly think of them.
Also, just finished watching both Ret games... good lord he has gotten good in a short time. I knew he'd do well when he began investing time, but his level of play is really high. His opponent seemed mediocre and very passive, but ret's play was just so solid. Hope to see him get to play a macro game in the GSL.
It's really great to see videos of Ret after he's had time to practice. And a whole new generation of SC fans gets to see just how much of a beast he can be. The more time he gets to learn how to handle all the weird situations you can be thrown into, the scarier he'll get. It's gonna be fun to watch.
That was great to watch. There's definitely a lot of benefit from watching someone's screen as opposed to watching a replay or a shout cast. You learn a lot of different things and it puts the teachings of others into perspective better.
On November 17 2010 17:04 dredd276 wrote: I think Ret officially might be my favorite SC2 player now. He's, uh, really really really good.
for any of the newbs out there, i believe ret was 1 set away from getting his sc1 progamers license, so dont expect anything but the best from him.
Exactly.
Ret isn't some new guy on the block. This guy was so good and almost pulled an idra in Korea but couldn't deal with the schedule. He's freakin insane at BW so there shouldn't be any doubt that he would dominate SC2 pretty well too.
Really depressing to watch that video and hearing what his goals were (saying anything less than final 8 would be a huge disappointment) and then see that he didn't even make it to the ro64. He must be really pissed atm. Use your anger!
Idra's BM is really annoying. I know he doesn't care what nestea's (or even his own) fans think but without fans there wouldn't be sponsors to pay for his career. He should really shut up sometimes.
On November 17 2010 18:56 veraliar wrote: Idra's BM is really annoying. I know he doesn't care what nestea's (or even his own) fans think but without fans there wouldn't be sponsors to pay for his career. He should really shut up sometimes.
Did you miss Idra's MLG interview where he repeatedly thanked the fans and exclaimed that without them progamers couldn't exist?
On November 17 2010 16:24 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Oh man HuK is like my twin. I like to take at least two showers a day... its kinda like how some people smoke I guess. I also have a favorite pillow that I carry around. I'm wearing my hoodie, too.
HOLY SHIT!!! You SHOWER, have a PILLOW AND you wear a HOODIE!?
Good god someone stop the press, we've found huk's long lost siamese twin!
Ret's looking very good, surprised with his play - I think he'll go far this season. o.o
On November 17 2010 18:56 veraliar wrote: Idra's BM is really annoying. I know he doesn't care what nestea's (or even his own) fans think but without fans there wouldn't be sponsors to pay for his career. He should really shut up sometimes.
Did you miss Idra's MLG interview where he repeatedly thanked the fans and exclaimed that without them progamers couldn't exist?
You might've also saw the Lo3 review party after where IdrA also blatantly claimed he did not care about what people and the community think anyways. He's said both.... yes... but it shows how contradictory he can be. I think IdrA if he lost his fans if he did something super shady I don't think he would care.
On November 17 2010 18:56 veraliar wrote: Idra's BM is really annoying. I know he doesn't care what nestea's (or even his own) fans think but without fans there wouldn't be sponsors to pay for his career. He should really shut up sometimes.
The scene needs a villain ! I love idrA so much, especially the comment he made about Zenio hah!
People need to start distinguishing Idra's ragey outbursts (calling Masq a "fag" for all-in'ing for instance) and the way he (sometimes bluntly) characterizes other players. There's a form of implicit politeness to the way he honesty says what he thinks about other players. Because he doesn't care to conceal what he really thinks about some players, it conversely highlights the genuine respect he has for others. A compliment doesn't carry any meaning when it comes from someone who's always calling everyone "awesome". At least, when Idra offers praise you can tell it's genuine because you know he'd have no qualms expressing the opposite opinion.
I love idrA's genuine bemusement when he's told HuK didn't make it at 3:35ish. Also funny to see him walking up in background at 2:20. He appears to spawn "within" Geoff and flash past with his pillow if you didn't catch him approaching earlier.
Still, I'm glad HuK was so confident in his interview. It might have hurt a lot to miss out on the round of 64, but when you're that sure of your abilities you should be able to bounce back quite quickly.
The video's of FruitDealer are labeled the wrong way around by the way, as you can see part 2 of 2 is on Xel Naga Caverns, which was of course the first map of the series..
I don't get why people get so worked up about the things idra says, the guy just sometimes behaves like thousands of other b.net kids, raging and calling people names over losing games or using strategies he finds "unfair/unbalanced".
In the same way I don't get why people get worked up about Zenio beating idra then doing his little taunt/victory jig (or whatever it is not familiar with korean body language). All he does is drop down to the same rager/b.net kid attitude that idra sometimes displays.
Thank you very much for the Videos, highly appreciated!
I dont know if you can call it "bad manners" if you criticise some1 for all-in moves, its just an opinion you share. Imho its about the attitude and tone that crticism is made towards you. So by just getting told that you are thought to change something, it isnt bad mannered at all, its just some1 sharing his/her opinion with you.
Thx a lot for these great vids! interviews in 1080p are so baller
I believe Idra and Ret can do well this GSL, maybe not winning, but Ro8/4 is clearly possible. But imagine if one of the foreigners gets to the final. Especially if it's against an 'international' Korean who's got a large fanbase outside of Korea - Cool, Foxer, SlayerS_Boxer, or Spirit_Moon .
It would be such an amazing event for the great SC community
On a side note, Protoss really needs a hero... What the hell is wrong with Tester??
Thanks for the coverage and all the effort. Awesome work.
Just a little criticism, though. You shouldn't call people "retards" in a video you publish (Ret final match pt. 2). Yeah, you're privately filming here and not being the official commentator for GomTV, but it still puts a dent in your otherwise very calm and professional appearance.
Thanks alot for all the interviews and the overall coverage of the qualifiers. Seems like you have a really fun time there, too bad it's quite a ride to get there, otherwise I would for sure.
On November 17 2010 19:12 adeezy wrote: You might've also saw the Lo3 review party after where IdrA also blatantly claimed he did not care about what people and the community think anyways. He's said both.... yes... but it shows how contradictory he can be. I think IdrA if he lost his fans if he did something super shady I don't think he would care.
Yeah? And what 'super shady' deed is Idra likely to do in your opinion? You and a hundred other bandwagoning haters just can't understand that Idra's BM is blatantly a byproduct of how straight he likes to be with his words mixed with a healthy dose of cooling off with vented frustration after a loss. More than just those things, the BM is fun and a big part of why Idra even has as many fans as he does. So no, Idra is not going to lose his fans because he can be a little bit rude, have you ever seen a professional sports team or even a band before? Grow up and grow a little bit of mettle.
Almost forgot to mention I have watched and thoroughly enjoyed all of these videos
On November 17 2010 19:12 adeezy wrote: You might've also saw the Lo3 review party after where IdrA also blatantly claimed he did not care about what people and the community think anyways. He's said both.... yes... but it shows how contradictory he can be. I think IdrA if he lost his fans if he did something super shady I don't think he would care.
Yeah? And what 'super shady' deed is Idra likely to do in your opinion? You and a hundred other bandwagoning haters just can't understand that Idra's BM is blatantly a byproduct of how straight he likes to be with his words mixed with a healthy dose of cooling off with vented frustration after a loss. More than just those things, the BM is fun and a big part of why Idra even has as many fans as he does. So no, Idra is not going to lose his fans because he can be a little bit rude, have you ever seen a professional sports team or even a band before? Grow up and grow a little bit of mettle.
Almost forgot to mention I have watched and thoroughly enjoyed all of these videos
That's why I like him lol. I'm coming from an FPS background and I was pretty shocked when realizing how "proper" everyone behaves while playing SC. You would NEVER get mannered players in-game in CS or CoD4 and if you even thought about asking for manners, well.. we don't need to go there :D It was sort of refreshing to see Idra spice things up a little. What's wrong with a little smack talk now and then? When he finally does play the players he talks shit against, it'll make those games that much more fun to watch. BM on Idra
On a side note; Thanks for uploading the videos! Gives me something to do while waiting for the next season.
On November 17 2010 15:45 I_Love_Bacon wrote: People really, really need to learn to distinguish between speaking your mind earnestly and being BM.
Actually the expectation in reaching adulthood is learning to realize that speaking your mind earnestly often is BM.
Different environment. You're in a legitimate competitive environment where skill is actually measured and discussed all the time. He's not working in at Walmart looking for advancement.
I guess Koreans sharing replays because they hate his guts came out of nowhere. Yes, let's have verbal diarrhea and blurt every opinion we have out, because anyone taking offense is a scrub, so the ill effects aren't your fault but theirs.
I honestly don't understand what world people live in where somebody asks you a question and you're expected to lie.
There's a whole spectrum of responses between "Zergbong is excellent" and "Zergbong is bad". Obviously Idra wants to don the mantle of the heel, so good luck with that. But don't praise him for his "frankness".
If your boss is, perhaps sucking up is the right answer or if you girlfriend asks if she looks fat in something. But what if your boss asked your opinion of your coworkers? He's not telling you to throw them under the bus or taddle, but just what you honestly think of them.
If you think the correct response in that situation is to give your honest, unfiltered opinion then you're really, really naive. Everything you do and say in your public life has repercussions for yourself and others.
I just want to say that after watching IdrA's comments I am so embarrassed to be associated with RTS players, and I am quitting SC2 tonight. His manners are so bad, I just cannot tolerate it.
It's sweet to see that many TSL players qualify. Too bad HuK didn't make it though, maybe next time. I'm super stoked to see more foreigners than ever in this season's GSL too. This season is going to be epic.
I am very impressed by ret his play, wow men! If he keeps on practicing and if he can keep his nerves down, then I actually see him ending top 8 GSL and maybe even winning it, or am I wrong?
On November 17 2010 22:50 Dente wrote: Thanks Artosis!
I am very impressed by ret his play, wow men! If he keeps on practicing and if he can keep his nerves down, then I actually see him ending top 8 GSL and maybe even winning it, or am I wrong?
got to realise that the terran of ret played a perfect condition game for any Zerg no rush 10minuts like and a weak ass push to make it even more leaning to zerg's favor
as ret says in his interview he loses on Ladder to random builds / all ins think that will be the only way to beat one BW macro monster even in this game
Fruitdealer's game on Scrap Station almost felt like i was watching a GSL final damn
On November 17 2010 19:12 adeezy wrote: You might've also saw the Lo3 review party after where IdrA also blatantly claimed he did not care about what people and the community think anyways. He's said both.... yes... but it shows how contradictory he can be. I think IdrA if he lost his fans if he did something super shady I don't think he would care.
Yeah? And what 'super shady' deed is Idra likely to do in your opinion? You and a hundred other bandwagoning haters just can't understand that Idra's BM is blatantly a byproduct of how straight he likes to be with his words mixed with a healthy dose of cooling off with vented frustration after a loss. More than just those things, the BM is fun and a big part of why Idra even has as many fans as he does. So no, Idra is not going to lose his fans because he can be a little bit rude, have you ever seen a professional sports team or even a band before? Grow up and grow a little bit of mettle.
Almost forgot to mention I have watched and thoroughly enjoyed all of these videos
That's why I like him lol. I'm coming from an FPS background and I was pretty shocked when realizing how "proper" everyone behaves while playing SC. You would NEVER get mannered players in-game in CS or CoD4 and if you even thought about asking for manners, well.. we don't need to go there :D It was sort of refreshing to see Idra spice things up a little. What's wrong with a little smack talk now and then? When he finally does play the players he talks shit against, it'll make those games that much more fun to watch. BM on Idra
On a side note; Thanks for uploading the videos! Gives me something to do while waiting for the next season.
Idra is only hurting his growth as a player when he openly expresses his opinion on Korean players.
he already got hurt by it when he found himself in a position with no practice parters for his GSL2 ZvZ match. he'll have some access to english speaking players for GSL3 this time around except the ones that qualified for GSL3 have to focus on their own practice instead of being Idra's practice partner, and I don't know how long the english speaking players that failed to qualify will remain in Korea.
I agree man Artosis is a total trooper , he is really dedicated to Sc2 i hope he qualifies next season! and iNcontrol sorry you got put in such a bad bracket , you'll make it next season for sure!!
Refering to Idra, sometimes, he just irritates me because he was very BM in his interview. Apparently half the people in the GSL suck, and he thinks he's better than them, even though like he got knocked out by "bad" ones last time.
Ret's jacket = baller. Artosis you're the man for going out and getting all this content. Incontrol should interview IdrA more often, always seems odd when he's interviewed by the guy who trained him to deal with media.
So, Incrontrol interviews idra, both are in the same team (EG), both are in korea to participate in gsl3. Incrontrol, who plays protoss, asks idra about his practice partners:
Idra: "yeah, i know some korean terrans and zergs. And for protoss... mhm.... oh yeah, HuK is around now!"
IdrA being snazzy as usual, calling NesTea out for being terrible(really now?). You can't blame the guy for playing how he did because Foxer controlled the tempo, I feel IdrA really underestimates majority of people. Anyway Artosis this is awesome stuff as per usual m8, keep it up your a true inspiration to everyone that's not in Korea
So awesome videos! Just great to watch especially the game play vids. And incontrol is one of the funniest guys i´ve ever seen. Please keep them coming.
On November 18 2010 02:54 Slardarxt wrote: IdrA being snazzy as usual, calling NesTea out for being terrible(really now?). You can't blame the guy for playing how he did because Foxer controlled the tempo, I feel IdrA really underestimates majority of people. Anyway Artosis this is awesome stuff as per usual m8, keep it up your a true inspiration to everyone that's not in Korea
Yea idra would lose to it and then call foxer a ''lucky cheeser'' :d.
On November 18 2010 02:54 Slardarxt wrote: IdrA being snazzy as usual, calling NesTea out for being terrible(really now?). You can't blame the guy for playing how he did because Foxer controlled the tempo, I feel IdrA really underestimates majority of people. Anyway Artosis this is awesome stuff as per usual m8, keep it up your a true inspiration to everyone that's not in Korea
He isn't basing his assessment on his GSL matches, but rather ladder/general opinion in Korea
Thanks, Artosis! All this coverage really gives one the feeling of beeing close to everything...looking forward to a Jinro vs. Idra finals... It's a pity that Huk and Incontrol did not qualify, they seem nice, especially Incontrols interviews (or him interviewing) are great to watch (not compared to watching his games, but to watching other more characterless interviews...)
On November 17 2010 16:27 I_Love_Bacon wrote: I honestly don't understand what world people live in where somebody asks you a question and you're expected to lie.
There's a whole spectrum of responses between "Zergbong is excellent" and "Zergbong is bad". Obviously Idra wants to don the mantle of the heel, so good luck with that. But don't praise him for his "frankness".
I'm not to sure with my translation of "don the mantle of the heel", but I think I got your point nonetheless. I think it's clear, that the problem lies mainly in the interpretation of things. For example the "Zergbong is bad". Would you be offended, if i thought you were bad at starcraft? Chances are, you are much better than me, so it's just me not understanding the game. But if I do not understand it, it's nothing that should bother you. In case I was better, relative to my skill you were bad. So again nothing to be offended by (still just the thought, nothing spoken and really only concerning the sc-skill).
But, as most people tend to euphemize things the very neutral statement "I think he is bad", or, as most of the stuff you don't prove are opinions "He is bad", suddenly gets a negative flavor, just because it sounds worse than "He plays not quite as solid, as ...", what others would have said. This goes thus far, that even personal offenses are read into something, which literally is none.
Now why do you think communication is nicer when it works like: I think you are bad, I say "Well, there are some points he could improve..." -> others hear it and translate it back to "He thinks, he is bad.", instead of: I think you are bad, I say "He is bad." -> others hear it.
(I guess partly it's a not saying your opinion, but then that's really not beeing frank. There are clearer examples, like the "gg" shifting from "beeing nice" to "beeing neutral" and simultaneously saying nothing from "beeing neutral" to "bm".)
So what's the conclusion, if I prefer the direct way? I'll have to use it, otherwise I'm one of the many who makes saying "You are bad" standing out of the rest and thus beeing an offense. Of course it's not always recommended, as sometimes it would result in bad stuff for you, or others, then it's probably better to take the lesser evil. But in the end you can't blame someone for not considering the way others interpret stuff, when you in the same time do not consider his interpretation. And concerning Idra to me it doesn't seem like he desperatly tries to offend other people. (Though I have to say that I just began following the bw- and sc2-scene, when the tsl started, a year ago, or something. So maybe I missed some previous stuff.)
I will be the first to say... I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about Mr. Loki.... Do not follow what you are saying. :| You are probably 100% right but for some reason I do not understand what you are saying... i am sick tho so mb brain kind of shut down right now lol.
I don't understand why people freak out over what Idra said... he doesn't think nestea is that good....who gives a shit what he thinks or not....he has his reasons for saying them.... Does not matter in the least bit.
The end result is, Nestea won gsl2 and Idra did not....so idra can talk but it honestly does not matter. Whether he is right or wrong time will tell, I for one think idra usually speaks the truth. For example he said huk was not going to do much in gsl 3, probably not even qualify and there you have it.
Either way words are words.
On to more important and relevant things....
Holy shit at FruitDealer................................That was waaaay way close.
On November 18 2010 03:32 heaven- wrote: I will be the first to say... I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about Mr. Loki....
I don't understand why people freak out over what Idra said... he doesn't think nestea is that good....who gives a shit what he thinks or not....he has his reasons for saying them.... Does not matter in the least bit.
A lot of people would prefer the pro scene to be really boring and bland with no one actually speaking their mind. A lot of people also still don't understand statistics and variance.
I think the problem is, a lot of people here see korean players as gods or something, so for IdrA to say what he said its outRAGEous and BM. Little trash talk never hurt anyone, you guys need to just simmer down.
On November 18 2010 02:50 Koshi wrote: Somewhere I found Artosis being more BM than Idra. Still everybody is talking about Idra...
Yep, I somewhat like them both, but as far as rudeness goes, I would go with Artosis. But I have different opinion on rude than most people. I find Idra's attitude refreshing, because I hate people who sugarcoat their opinions or hide their dislike behind patronizing comments. And the latter is sometimes the feel I get from Artosis, but maybe I am misreading something. Anyway the person who said that keeping opinions to yourself is good thing to do : sometimes, mostly not. I don't mind rudeness towards me if it is just a vent for emotions and there is also some substance to what that person is saying. What I hate most are polite people, who talk behind your back, have no opinion, the mindless middle.
I think the concept of BM in Starcraft got so extended that now it basically means anything that is not the utmost politeness.
It's kind of hard to justify calling someone bad or subpar when they have just won the largest SC2 tournament. The problem with IdrA is he's trying to subconsciously say he's the best Zerg, but instead of just plain saying that, or it is his goal, he decides to "bm" other players by discrediting them with no evidence other than his personal opinion.
I'll agree Fruitdealer won outright, and with more ingenuity and creativity, NesTea on the other hand is SO mechanically sound AND flexible, able to throw a vast repertoire of strategies at you, all of them refined. Half the all-in timings could have failed in G3 & G4 if Foxer faked more marines and switched to a Mech/safe style knowing he was up 2-0. He was asking for it, but to execute some of them to such perfect timing you have to give credit where it's due, to NesTea.
On November 18 2010 02:54 Slardarxt wrote: IdrA being snazzy as usual, calling NesTea out for being terrible(really now?). You can't blame the guy for playing how he did because Foxer controlled the tempo, I feel IdrA really underestimates majority of people. Anyway Artosis this is awesome stuff as per usual m8, keep it up your a true inspiration to everyone that's not in Korea
He isn't basing his assessment on his GSL matches, but rather ladder/general opinion in Korea
Sorry, is that just your take on IdrA's harping or do you have evidence of that? To be honest "ladder games" and "general opinion" don't weigh for much when you have a $85,000 check in your pocket. Nestea may not be the best or creative in many peoples eyes, but he STEPPED UP when it counted, and that's what really counts. Boxer said it best, it doesn't matter who is the better/best player what matter's is who is able to bring out their greatest potential when it matters.
I'm not sure how you guys feel about it but in my opinion the GSL2 finals were not showing Foxers A-game. He was basically doing the same crappy rush all the time, of course it wont work 4 times in a row. Would Foxer have played more macro style I think he would have wiped the floor with NesTea. I dont wanna say that he is bad he got to the finals after all but somehow to me it didnt feel right that he won the finals and I say that as a Zerg player.
On November 18 2010 03:53 Blobskillz wrote: I'm not sure how you guys feel about it but in my opinion the GSL2 finals were not showing Foxers A-game. He was basically doing the same crappy rush all the time, of course it wont work 4 times in a row. Would Foxer have played more macro style I think he would have wiped the floor with NesTea. I dont wanna say that he is bad he got to the finals after all but somehow to me it didnt feel right that he won the finals and I say that as a Zerg player.
Well Foxers A game IS doing rushes all the time lol. If anything, his macro game is weaker.
Back on topic: That FruitDealer game was intense, and it was nice to see his sigh of relief.
On November 18 2010 02:54 Slardarxt wrote: IdrA being snazzy as usual, calling NesTea out for being terrible(really now?). You can't blame the guy for playing how he did because Foxer controlled the tempo, I feel IdrA really underestimates majority of people. Anyway Artosis this is awesome stuff as per usual m8, keep it up your a true inspiration to everyone that's not in Korea
Yea idra would lose to it and then call foxer a ''lucky cheeser'' :d.
IdrA "underestimating" players is better than what TeamLiquid board does.
OVERESTIMATE many korean players like nada and tester, who even thought they didn't make it, everyone just pulls the "oh he is still amazing because _____, ______, and ______", when if IdrA did not qualify, everyone would just be like "Lol, expected as much, he has been slipping lately, he sucks, blahdy blah blah, white people can't compete".
I think it would be really cool if you could shoot some footage of the oGs/Team Liquid house to see how they live and train, Idra's apartment, some more of South Korea, etc. Some of that might be too invasive for them, though.
I can't believe Idra doesn't think Nestea's any good. The reason Nestea's better than Idra is exactly as Idra admitted. He's one-dimensional strategically, but also that Nestea can adapt mid series to his opponent's build and playstyle. Idra has proven (and admitted) that he can't do this, which is why he gets knocked out by apparent scrubs like Masq. Anyway best of luck to him, but I think if he had a rematch with Zenio, Zenio would probably win again.
On November 18 2010 04:26 GP wrote: I can't believe Idra doesn't think Nestea's any good. The reason Nestea's better than Idra is exactly as Idra admitted. He's one-dimensional strategically, but also that Nestea can adapt mid series to his opponent's build and playstyle. Idra has proven (and admitted) that he can't do this, which is why he gets knocked out by apparent scrubs like Masq. Anyway best of luck to him, but I think if he had a rematch with Zenio, Zenio would probably win again.
Totally agreed Zenio just outsmarted Idra and simply outplayed him in that series. The violent outburst was totally deserved, Idra asks for it
On November 18 2010 04:26 GP wrote: I can't believe Idra doesn't think Nestea's any good. The reason Nestea's better than Idra is exactly as Idra admitted. He's one-dimensional strategically, but also that Nestea can adapt mid series to his opponent's build and playstyle. Idra has proven (and admitted) that he can't do this, which is why he gets knocked out by apparent scrubs like Masq. Anyway best of luck to him, but I think if he had a rematch with Zenio, Zenio would probably win again.
Why do you assume that "______ is bad" is IdrA saying "I am am 100x better than that scrub bmbmbmbm"
He said cool is "good", and cool won GSL1 by a lot. "good" is not very expressive, Artosis would say "amazing!!!!". So why would his negative opinion be any more expressive? It's not like he's saying Tea is "the worst player ever, he should never play again.", like this board seems to think.. It seems to me he thinks people are either "good" or "bad". IdrA can say someone is bad, then lose to them in a BO3, and still think they are bad. Does that make IdrA "bad" as well? For that single Ro3, he probably thinks yes, he played bad, and that is what drives him to practice more.
Great videos Artosis.. love the interviews, and I particularly enjoy the general walking around behind the scenes videos..
I think we need some more HayprO love on TL.. I felt so bad for him during his interview when he was talking about nobody voting for him in the polls and nobody really knowing who he is.. he seems like such a nice guy, but I guess because he's soft (nearly non-)spoken he doesn't garner as much attention here.
I searched for a HayprO fan club thread but no one's made one yet.. I'm so glad he's qualified this season, hopefully his fan base will grow a bunch, especially here in his home community!
On November 18 2010 04:26 GP wrote: I can't believe Idra doesn't think Nestea's any good. The reason Nestea's better than Idra is exactly as Idra admitted. He's one-dimensional strategically, but also that Nestea can adapt mid series to his opponent's build and playstyle. Idra has proven (and admitted) that he can't do this, which is why he gets knocked out by apparent scrubs like Masq. Anyway best of luck to him, but I think if he had a rematch with Zenio, Zenio would probably win again.
Why do you assume that "______ is bad" is IdrA saying "I am am 100x better than that scrub bmbmbmbm"
He said cool is "good", and cool won GSL1 by a lot. "good" is not very expressive, Artosis would say "amazing!!!!". So why would his negative opinion be any more expressive? It's not like he's saying Tea is "the worst player ever, he should never play again.", like this board seems to think.. It seems to me he thinks people are either "good" or "bad". IdrA can say someone is bad, then lose to them in a BO3, and still think they are bad. Does that make IdrA "bad" as well? For that single Ro3, he probably thinks yes, he played bad, and that is what drives him to practice more.
I have no idea what you're trying to say, you just put a whole bunch of words in my mouth. I still feel that way. Idra is an amazing player. I just don't think he's better than Nestea at all.
The amount of fanboyism is amazing in this Thread. Overrating and estimating nada and slayers boxer??? Clearly false. The poll on the right was who will make it furthest in gsl2. Idra had an amazing lead. He made it the least furthest. People expected him to repeat Dallas. This was far from it. People exceedingly over rate idra when it's obvious there's several reasons he still isn't the tip top player everyone makes him out to be.
And I can't believe a poster told me to grow up and see past idras bad manner.... How does that even apply
On November 18 2010 05:30 adeezy wrote: The amount of fanboyism is amazing in this Thread. Overrating and estimating nada and slayers boxer??? Clearly false. The poll on the right was who will make it furthest in gsl2. Idra had an amazing lead. He made it the least furthest. People expected him to repeat Dallas. This was far from it. People exceedingly over rate idra when it's obvious there's several reasons he still isn't the tip top player everyone makes him out to be.
And I can't believe a poster told me to grow up and see past idras bad manner.... How does that even apply
All the replays of Nada and Boxer we had seen were pretty poor and Idra had consistently beaten them on ladder. It was a reasonable assumption, even with fanboy bias, to assume Idra would make further. I'm still not convinced Boxer is a top terran currently. Nada is better, despite losing to him, but him failing to qualify shows he also has some work to do. Furthermore, as you probably know the game has some variance involved. Finally, Idra placed 9-16 in gsl 2, I guess that's not high enough.
I agree it was reasonable. But it doesn't change how results have been and since MLG DC we haven't seen anything amazing from idrA. Seems like just a lot of talk. I see more promise in ret. Hopefully we see him get the furthest, I'm rooting for him the most
On November 18 2010 05:48 adeezy wrote: I agree it was reasonable. But it doesn't change how results have been and since MLG DC we haven't seen anything amazing from idrA. Seems like just a lot of talk. I see more promise in ret. Hopefully we see him get the furthest, I'm rooting for him the most
Lol yeah I know. But it's not like his performance in the gsl has been amazing either though there's only been two... Ro16 is very good don't get me wrong. But I'm talking in a game by game basis
On November 18 2010 04:26 GP wrote: I can't believe Idra doesn't think Nestea's any good. The reason Nestea's better than Idra is exactly as Idra admitted. He's one-dimensional strategically, but also that Nestea can adapt mid series to his opponent's build and playstyle. Idra has proven (and admitted) that he can't do this, which is why he gets knocked out by apparent scrubs like Masq. Anyway best of luck to him, but I think if he had a rematch with Zenio, Zenio would probably win again.
Why do you assume that "______ is bad" is IdrA saying "I am am 100x better than that scrub bmbmbmbm"
He said cool is "good", and cool won GSL1 by a lot. "good" is not very expressive, Artosis would say "amazing!!!!". So why would his negative opinion be any more expressive? It's not like he's saying Tea is "the worst player ever, he should never play again.", like this board seems to think.. It seems to me he thinks people are either "good" or "bad". IdrA can say someone is bad, then lose to them in a BO3, and still think they are bad. Does that make IdrA "bad" as well? For that single Ro3, he probably thinks yes, he played bad, and that is what drives him to practice more.
the thing is, GP never said Idra saying "____ is bad" meant Idra is saying "I am 100x better than that scrub bmbmbmbm" so first of all, you should stop shoving words of your own interpretation into people's mouths.
second, ur right that idra can say someone is bad, then lose to them, and still think they are bad. everyone is entitled to their own opinions, w/e they are. whether or not that is the right attitude to have when you're trying to improve and learn from your losses is questionable, but not wrong in any way of course.
the fact is though, whether or not idra thinks people with much better achievements (nestea) than him are "bad" (achievements which he himself couldn't achieve that is), whether or not idra thinks he's the best zerg and cannot accept that he's actually not, it doesn't matter and no one should care since what matters is results.
we don't need blind idra fans like you trying to defend every single bm idra does because people like us will only ever gain respect for idra through his play and results.
On November 18 2010 04:39 mols0n wrote: Thing is Idra talks the talk but you have to back it up and he can't
He placed 1st in MLG DC. I think thats backing it up...
The problem is most people(including the enormous amounts of fanboys on TL) think that win is worth nothing compared to SK. Because apparently the United States, Canada, Europe.. or any country that's not asian is poo compared to SK.
Which is horseshit really. US didn't play a lot of BW, ok. I'll tell you right now, when foreigners catch up, there's going to be a lot of tears going around these boards. You won't find a more competitive player than an American one.. so good luck South Korea.
On November 18 2010 04:39 mols0n wrote: Thing is Idra talks the talk but you have to back it up and he can't
He placed 1st in MLG DC. I think thats backing it up...
The problem is most people(including the enormous amounts of fanboys on TL) think that win is worth nothing compared to SK. Because apparently the United States, Canada, Europe.. or any country that's not asian is poo compared to SK.
Which is horseshit really. US didn't play a lot of BW, ok. I'll tell you right now, when foreigners catch up, there's going to be a lot of tears going around these boards. You won't find a more competitive player than an American one.. so good luck South Korea.
The only foreigners that have any chance of "catching up" are ones in Korea. The stupid background of players doesn't matter. The only way for people to be the best is to consistently practice and play against the best and that's only gonna happen in Korea for now because gaming is a huge, real profession there and has been for awhile so they're already set up for that. Gamers there make more money, relatively, winning a tournament than most Americans do working for a year and that's not including team salary.
And 1st in MLG DC isn't worth comparing to GSL, the only sc2 tournament in South Korea right now. Idra easily won DC then got beaten 2-0 by a clearly better and more well prepared opponent and I hope Idra runs into Nestea in GSL3 because Nestea won't lose to Idra - it just won't happen. Idra is just starting to bother me now, he's good enough where he doesn't have to shoot jabs at other players in interviews. If he'd just shut up, play and vary his game a bit more, I'd be a huge fan.
Back on topic, Artosis' camera shooting is awesome - walk around, check out female protoss player's screen, check out female protoss from two angles, check out nada lol, walk around, sees a non-korean he doesn't know, "look another white guy! hey white guy etcetc." lol great footage and interviews, especially the inc interview, he has a great personality and is funny, too bad I don't think he'll be staying in Korea very long.
Guys guys. stop arguing over the IdrA BM stuff. He's just sore that he can't win GSL. As they say, weakest dogs bark the loudest. And compared to many Top tier Korean players, IdrA is pretty weak. I would say the difference between me (1300 diamond) and IdrA, though it is probably very very large, is about the same as the difference between IdrA and top level koreans.
I would prefer IdrA to be nice and confident like TLO or something.... If IdrA had his skill and TLO's manner, he would way more liked than he is..... but that isn't the case. People say he has fans because of his BM which is true to some extent... but he would have more if he was all in all a nice guy.
Huk lost... probably choked knowing GSL was such a big stage and its his first time in Korea. Why are all the foreigners saying "I'm gonna win GSL this season"? I wonder if they honestly think they can win this.
You guys are failing to realize idra's attitude has a direct effect on his career. Whether he intends to be bm or not is meaningless, it's how the public, teammates, peers and potential sponsors interpret it that counts. He's fn stupid for acting the way he does.
I just want to comment on the inControl Artosis interview: Get that boy in the booth! It's so refreshing to see the obnoxious bias be challenged for once. 'Bout time someone called Artosis out on the failed logic we have to put up with nonstop in the GSL (e.g. Zerg map = balanced map; Zergs admitting ZvT easy and comfortable now = balance, T's just suck). His jab of "Which Zerg is going to win GSL3?" is hilarious, and most likely, true.
Watching the end of HuK's final game was painful, even if I knew the results beforehand. At least he'll be able to go to Dreamhack and be awesome there instead.
HuK played really bad in that last game, where was the scouting? He saw a tech lab starport and a reactor barracks and thats the last thing he saw for the whole game. All of a sudden a dozen vikings appear and destroy his colossi. That will happen if you never check if he has 1 or more reactor starports.
On November 18 2010 09:33 NewteN wrote: You guys are failing to realize idra's attitude has a direct effect on his career. Whether he intends to be bm or not is meaningless, it's how the public, teammates, peers and potential sponsors interpret it that counts. He's fn stupid for acting the way he does.
I agree with everything except the last sentence. It should be "He's fn stupid" Period.
On November 18 2010 09:33 NewteN wrote: You guys are failing to realize idra's attitude has a direct effect on his career. Whether he intends to be bm or not is meaningless, it's how the public, teammates, peers and potential sponsors interpret it that counts. He's fn stupid for acting the way he does.
On November 18 2010 09:33 NewteN wrote: You guys are failing to realize idra's attitude has a direct effect on his career. Whether he intends to be bm or not is meaningless, it's how the public, teammates, peers and potential sponsors interpret it that counts. He's fn stupid for acting the way he does.
He seems to be doing fine to me.
A lot of people ride talent and BM to some degree of fame/success because of the attention it gives them. When it comes down to it, two guys with equal and a very high degree of talent match up, the one with more support from his team is going to win most of the time. That's the whole idea behind forming teams that live/play together. If his attitude is really that poor, I imagine he's also a pretty shitty teammate.
Usually teams have to put up with guys like him because management knows he'll bring eyes to sponsors.
On November 18 2010 09:33 NewteN wrote: You guys are failing to realize idra's attitude has a direct effect on his career. Whether he intends to be bm or not is meaningless, it's how the public, teammates, peers and potential sponsors interpret it that counts. He's fn stupid for acting the way he does.
He seems to be doing fine to me.
A lot of people ride talent and BM to some degree of fame/success because of the attention it gives them. When it comes down to it, two guys with equal and a very high degree of talent match up, the one with more support from his team is going to win most of the time. That's the whole idea behind forming teams that live/play together. If his attitude is really that poor, I imagine he's also a pretty shitty teammate.
Usually teams have to put up with guys like him because management knows he'll bring eyes to sponsors.
On November 18 2010 09:33 NewteN wrote: You guys are failing to realize idra's attitude has a direct effect on his career. Whether he intends to be bm or not is meaningless, it's how the public, teammates, peers and potential sponsors interpret it that counts. He's fn stupid for acting the way he does.
He seems to be doing fine to me.
A lot of people ride talent and BM to some degree of fame/success because of the attention it gives them. When it comes down to it, two guys with equal and a very high degree of talent match up, the one with more support from his team is going to win most of the time. That's the whole idea behind forming teams that live/play together. If his attitude is really that poor, I imagine he's also a pretty shitty teammate.
Usually teams have to put up with guys like him because management knows he'll bring eyes to sponsors.
Funny that all his EG teammates, sirscoots, etc say that IRL he's the nicest dude in the world; which is also the impression that his serious interviews give.
On November 18 2010 09:33 NewteN wrote: You guys are failing to realize idra's attitude has a direct effect on his career. Whether he intends to be bm or not is meaningless, it's how the public, teammates, peers and potential sponsors interpret it that counts. He's fn stupid for acting the way he does.
He seems to be doing fine to me.
A lot of people ride talent and BM to some degree of fame/success because of the attention it gives them. When it comes down to it, two guys with equal and a very high degree of talent match up, the one with more support from his team is going to win most of the time. That's the whole idea behind forming teams that live/play together. If his attitude is really that poor, I imagine he's also a pretty shitty teammate.
Usually teams have to put up with guys like him because management knows he'll bring eyes to sponsors.
Ok serious question. If you beat Idra does he really have to tell you that you were good after? Are you that pressed to get self esteem from a game?
In-game bad manner often gets exaggerated, especially if you are a highly skilled player - the more you are skilled, the more your actions get magnified.
If you are some random noob and decide to ignore a guy who is annoying you, nothing happens. If you are well-known player in your country's gaming community or whatever and ignore some random noob, you suddenly become a cocky bastard who is full of himself.
idra is obviously no angel, but there is hardly a single player who never reacted in some game in a manner that would make his opponent or an observer believe he is a bad mannered person. In reality, you have to meet a person to make the judgement, because all the stuff that you see in a game is exactly what it is....in a game.
As for idra's comments in interviews and such - as stated earlier, there is a difference between speaking your mind earnestly and being BM.
I think every time Idra BMs someone should run up to him and yell 10 points from Gryffindor! Or during interviews randomly walk in the background and point, gasp, and yell "It's the boy who lived!" That would make for some entertaining video.
Lol IdrA, I really love this guy :p He's such a baller obviously. I don't think that I can or I want to speak all i want like him, but meh .. :D Sometimes you need that kind of a guy.
Great Material, love it. Enjoyed every second of these VODs. GG Artosis^^ Nice Interviews as well, Geoff was Hilarious, Tasteless Interview was probably my favorite. THX DAN for the taking the time as always to do this kind of stuff. Priceless.
On November 17 2010 15:46 LeCastor wrote: GOGO Idra crush dat Zenio !
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lol, that HUK's pillow was hilarious, I totally understand him tho, Im kinda like that when trying being as much comfortable as possible when gaming ^^
I'm still pretty amazed at all the foreigner hate going on here. The only difference between top level Koreans and top level foreigners is the amount of practice time. As Starcraft 2 grows in North America like it has been, players should be able to make enough money from tournaments and sponsors to support a mass-gaming lifestyle. I think Idra, Ret and maybe Huk (and others) have the potential to be winning GSL's.
On a side note, I'm not entirely sure how the GSL system works (classes etc), but I think it's pretty dumb that the great players need to constantly qualify. There should be a system where if you do well, you get an automatic qualify for the year or something like that. Maybe that already exists and I just don't know about it.
On November 20 2010 08:03 anthraxalfa wrote: in the IdrA interview, iNcontroL said something in the lines of : "Zenio 'went scion' just before playing the match" ... what does he mean by that?
Artosis it is very kind of you to let us know what is up in Korea ! Looks like you make good use of your new movie camera ! Your videos help us wait between GSLs. You should keep up with the interviews, I think those are the most valuable content. It his very frustrating to see a player express himself only through baneling busts or thor drops so it's very nice to hear them say a few words about their mindset or objectives. (BTW Incontrol you're hilarious !)
Huuuuk - please spend some time redoing your hotkey setup! Every time I see you move your hand to 0-9 for the nexus/scouting probe it saddens me. You have the time now, just do it :-)
I don't know if this is the correct place to ask, but wasn't Artosis planing on participating in gsl 3? did he fail to qualify? I've been googling for an answer but haven't find anything about it.
Anyways great interviews Artosis, and I love your casting at the GSL! Keep it up!
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sorry you got put in such a bad bracket , you'll make it next season for sure!!
. The interviews were really good though ^^
