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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
December 13 2012 23:03 GMT
#1521
EBWOP: the last quotation are the last people you mentioned before going on to first talking about Adam...in your vote
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
December 13 2012 23:17 GMT
#1522
On December 14 2012 03:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 22:32 marvellosity wrote:
On December 13 2012 18:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
I was not roleblocked and took no hits.

Bugs flipping town is obviously a shock, but the good news is that we weren't left with nothing overnight.

Remember when Adam claimed Vigilante?

On December 12 2012 09:47 Adam4167 wrote:
Alright I was hoping that I could talk my way out of this lynch without having to claim, but apparently that does not seem to be possible.

I am a Vigilante.

Give me a chance to prove i'm town tonight.


Pssssttt....there's emphasis in there.

"...tonight."

Adam's claim heavily implies the existence of a Scum Vigilante.

That being said.

On December 13 2012 13:33 Clarity_nl wrote:
On December 13 2012 13:25 jaybrundage wrote:
Also Clarity why aren't you still going for me as your main scum read.

What changed your mind. Do you still think im scum?

So for spamming thread btw guys : /


You might be. I'm more convinced on a scum BL though, bugs having a townread on you also makes me hesitate.

Don't be ridiculous btw, I'm not scum and there's like a 1000 reasons why. I shot the guy who was probably going to get lynched tomorrow and who I agreed with looked like scum.


This post is extremely suspicious to me for a couple of reasons.

1) That's possibly the most atrocious justification for shooting someone ever. If he was probably going to be lynched tomorrow, then WHY IN THE FUCK WOULD YOU SHOOT HIM? It doesn't make any sense, because if most everyone can agree that he looks scummy then we can lynch him. It just doesn't make sense from a townie perspective. From a scum perspective however, it removes Bugs' ability to defend himself and possibly avoid getting lynched.

2) The second part of the statement reads like scum trying to fit in. "...and who I agreed with looked like scum". If you're town, the assumption is that if you shoot someone, it's because you think they look like scum. It feels like over-justifying his shot.

##Vote: Clarity_nl

The fact that there has been no counterclaim holds no relevance - if we have a town vig who didn't shoot, there'd be no incentive to claim because it's not a guaranteed trade as there could also be more than one town vig - and the implication of Adam's claim coupled with Clarity's A) shitty target and B) suspicious justification is more than enough to lynch Clarity today. I think he's scum.

I wish Bugs had told us who he jailed. Any crumb-hunters out there wanna take a stroll through his filter?


What drugs are you on??

If you take out the possible existence of a mafia vigi, Clarity's shot was clearly town - he shot the primary scumread of the thread. In addition, Clarity is prone to sheeping strong players in some situations, notably me - he sheeped my Z-Bo case in Mario, he sheeped my syllo vote in Chrono. The fact that a mafia vigi is now possible doesn't suddenly make him scum, Hapa said well enough that it didn't make sense.

To the bold, given I'm the only one who's claimed roleblock (I think?) it's fairly obvious. Otherwise this would fit the bill:

On December 13 2012 09:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
if I actually got shot then I <3 marv.

Just sayingas




JUST WHY IN THE FUCK WOULD I DO THAT?! ADAM CLAIMED VIGI DID YOU NOT FUCKING READ MARV?! WHY WOULD I DISCOUNT THE POSSIBLE EXISTENCE OF A MAFIA VIGI?! ADAM'S FUCKING CLAIM DIRECTLY...[bigDIRECTLY IMPLIES THE EXISTENCE OF A MAFIA VIGI IN THE GAME RIGHT NOW!

Think about it, why would Adam claim Vigi? Why wouldn't he claim like...Jailkeeper? Why not claim VT? IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE for Adam to claim Vigi AND THEN SAY HE CAN PROVE IT when he's a Goon unless the scum team HAS a Vigilante!

Fuck marv, I expected this kind bullheadedness from Palmar, but et tu?!!? ET TU MARV?!?!
[/big]

who gives a flying shit if mafia have a vigilante?

what part of someone i consider pretty townie anyway shooting at someone that Palmar and I were pushing at during the night is scummy? The townie explanation requires fewer assumptions, is more intuitive, and lines up with my read on Clarity anyway

I have no idea what the fuck you're thinking but you need to get a grip. I can understand jay being an idiot but really you should know better. Although I find myself saying that a lot apparently.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
December 13 2012 23:20 GMT
#1523
On December 14 2012 06:43 jaybrundage wrote:
Hey guys Best Mislynch NA here. (Is it something to brag about? Nope. Do I give a fuck? Nope.)

Hear me out. What if Clarity is scum. And Palmar is scum as well. Palmar followed up on his Adam read. Cause it made sense as he had posted the video and he would get town cred and try to get away with some mislynches afterwards if he could.

Notice how he puts off making decisions today.

Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 10:37 Palmar wrote:
Seeing as I was wrong on Bugs I might just let someone else take the reins for now. I'm gonna check out this bluelightz case.

I recall writing something about him earlier, that he was getting away with something.


And here after stating that bugs was scum a bajillion times cause hes so confident. When bugs is finally admitting to being scum. Palmar responds with stop trolling cause as scum he would know that bugs is town.

Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 09:34 Palmar wrote:
On December 13 2012 09:33 wherebugsgo wrote:
On December 13 2012 09:33 debears wrote:
On December 13 2012 09:31 wherebugsgo wrote:
On December 13 2012 09:28 Palmar wrote:
On December 13 2012 09:06 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok palmer, was that wbg stuff for real?


he's scum, lynch him


Palmar 2 good

how did you know I was scum Palmar? I'm curious, cause no one has ever caught me like that before.


Your play and personailty this game is vastly different this game


really? how so? I'm really curious to know this, so I can improve my scum play for the future.


Stop trolling me.


Just something to think about guys.

But regardless I think we should lynch Clarity today. Why some of you have such a great town read on him. For doing shit is surprising.

Yes he has been logical.

Yes he has pushed cases.

But why cant good scum do that. You are acting like hes confirmed town for no reason. He was not part of the adam lynch. In fact he tried to derail it.

*Sigh*

Ok reading more up on it. Debears thought it was scummy that Clarity changed his vote to adam. When adam claimed Vig. However if Clarity was really a town vig he would have more reason to vote for adam.

Because he knew that he was Vig already. However if Clarity is actually just a mafia Vig he could just shoot and claim it. Because he saw the threads direction. People can see WBG is an easy mislynch. But he is a very out spoken person. His lynch would of gave alot of great conversations.

Im trying ot think outside of the box here. People give towncred so easily this game. Putting townie as virtually confirmed when its bullshit. Some stuff to think about. Will we lynch Palmar or Clarity today prolly not. As my case isn't as strong as I like.

Yes is it a bit odd that I am giving a case and then saying its not strong sure ill be honest But these are my thoughts as convoluted, and twisted as they are.

Regardless I want thoughts. Even if you think im crazy :3


none of this is even a case, it's a bunch of what ifs and wifom.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
December 13 2012 23:22 GMT
#1524
On December 14 2012 05:39 grush57 wrote:
So much scummy play this game I'm not even considered a lynch.
No one is paying attention to me :'(.
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Wait?
What is this?
Logic?
What?
Proper intelligence?
What?
100 IQ?
WHAT

ANYWAYS VE is playing super illogical, but he seems like an honest townie.
I don't know about Tunkeg he could either be bad town or scum.
Clarity is town.
Djordef never mentioned scumbuddy Adam and DIRECTLY tried to counterlynch bandwagon. That play is so bad as scum that is the only thing saving him. I am up for lynching him.
I'm also for lynching Bluelightz because his play is extremely bad/scummy. Plus the fact that out of all the vets, I find him by far the most scummy and mafia usually has atleast 1 vet.


... I agree with most, if not almost all of this (barring how strongly I feel about BL)

... my world is collapsing around me...

Looking into Djo, Tunkeg, BL tonight before I sleep. Stay tuned!
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
December 13 2012 23:23 GMT
#1525
Marv, who're you gonna vote for.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
December 13 2012 23:25 GMT
#1526
I don't know yet. If I don't have a pretty good idea with good reasons in a few hours, feel free to policy lynch me

The 3 names there are the 3 I think are likeliest to flip scum at this stage.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
December 13 2012 23:27 GMT
#1527
I have a townread on Tunkeg.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
December 13 2012 23:28 GMT
#1528
I do not.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
December 13 2012 23:31 GMT
#1529
I'm going through his filter to try and confirm it somehow, take it with a grain of salt
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
December 13 2012 23:33 GMT
#1530
What it comes down to with Tunkeg is whether I (or anyone else reading his filter) believes his two main reads posts are properly genuine, and whether it makes up for the drivel in between
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
December 13 2012 23:33 GMT
#1531
It was somehow this post that gave me the impression, can you find anything else in it?

On December 12 2012 16:02 Tunkeg wrote:
Boom! That was a great lynch! Now WBG is 100% scum. Look how hard he was pushing for me after Adam got in trouble. Look how he kept including Adam as his 2nd read, while not ever pointing out why he thought he was scummy. He did this because Adam was very obv scummy, and wbg not mentioning adam as scummy would look really bad for him. Also look at adams read post how hard he tried to distance himself from wbg, "agreeing" with my read on him. Also look at how wbg have presented his arguements (word twisting and misrepresenting facts) and his silly "80% Palmar is scum".

WBG must be lynched day 2. Palmar got to be protected if we got a jailkeeper. Also if we got a cop look into someone trying to push my case, voting me and/or push/vote some other case after Adam got mentioned in Palmars video.

Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
December 13 2012 23:36 GMT
#1532
On December 13 2012 00:18 Tunkeg wrote:
If we have a vig he should definately put a cap in WBG's ass. If we have a jailkeeper he should definately protect Palmar. But even if protected the chance is that scum got a vig and will double stack Palmar. WBG dies tonight or tomorrow, but Palmar who should we kill day 3?


I just don't get the double stack thing. There's pretty stupid reasoning behind this.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
December 13 2012 23:37 GMT
#1533
what is it in there that you find so townie? the incessant tunnelling of a townie? (yes i know he wasn't the only one). Directing blues? what is it?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
December 13 2012 23:47 GMT
#1534
Rather how he started pushing for WBG after the Adam lynch.

Generally, I get the feeling he's pretty convinced about WBGs guilt rather than having constructed a case.

Although I don't get why he's so fixated on Palmar to the point of assuming a double shot on him, I feel that these post reek pretty townish.

He's also covering clarity, and I like his latest post of reads. I'll check that post out more thoroughly, but I agree with his targets: BL, VE, jay.

Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 14 2012 00:19 GMT
#1535
On December 14 2012 06:24 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Tunkeg

Why do you find people going after Clarity a scumtell? It's certainly proves stupidity, but not scumminess.


This post is not addressed to me but I think I have a good point to make here.

It's not a scumtell if they don't use this stupidity to prevent us from reading them by avoiding contributing in another way than a stupid tunneling.
For example, in Mario Mini, I've been tunneling BH for a very long time against simple logic (and speculating a lot) to avoid contributing anything else.

I have no problem with jay and VE going after Clarity of they really believe if they are mafia but I want them to show interest in the other lynch candidates and open themselves to discussion.

In the case of VE, it is clear for me that is fixation on Clarity is not natural. First of all, he has failed to provide an extensive case agaonst Clarity to convince us that Clarity is scum. He is just speculating that Clarity has to be the ScumVig, that's what is allowing him to not partocipate in any other discussion.

There is mafia motivation for retarded tunnels.

Now the question is to know if VE is being dumb on purpose or not. Given his approach of the subject (speculating side), he is doing it on purpose for me right now. That's why he is mafia in my eyes.

@ VE

If by any chance you are town, you have to keep it simple. The simplest explanation is that Clarity is a town Vig.
You should get off your horses and try to find real mafia.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 14 2012 00:27 GMT
#1536
I'm not liking Tunkeg too much at the moment. Not sure if I could lynch him over Bluelightz, but he just seems way too sure of himself in his filter.



Palmar is confirmed town! Like Palmar is a town read, but confirmed town is a huuuuuge stretch.
Palmar is basicly confirmed town for me at this point. If he was scum he could have easily pushed me with the rest of you. As he stopped reading before he got to me in his video. If he did in fact read his PM after that video, and had flipped scum I think he would be going with the flow, and going for me. If there is a JK in this game he should definately jail Palmar to protect him from harm. He is the town that scum will be gunning for, 100%.


100% sure that WBG is scum, no doubts!
On December 12 2012 16:02 Tunkeg wrote:
Boom! That was a great lynch! Now WBG is 100% scum. Look how hard he was pushing for me after Adam got in trouble. Look how he kept including Adam as his 2nd read, while not ever pointing out why he thought he was scummy. He did this because Adam was very obv scummy, and wbg not mentioning adam as scummy would look really bad for him. Also look at adams read post how hard he tried to distance himself from wbg, "agreeing" with my read on him. Also look at how wbg have presented his arguements (word twisting and misrepresenting facts) and his silly "80% Palmar is scum".

WBG must be lynched day 2. Palmar got to be protected if we got a jailkeeper. Also if we got a cop look into someone trying to push my case, voting me and/or push/vote some other case after Adam got mentioned in Palmars video.


Is sure that scum doesn't have a vigi... WHAT?
On December 13 2012 18:36 Tunkeg wrote:
So WBG was a jk this game. So my entire scum or stupid analysis on him was wrong. He turened out to be just stupid.

Also anyone doubting clarity's claim is stupid. There is no reason at all for a scum clarity to claim such a hit. He had alot of towncred allready, a missed hit like this would only put him back on the radar.

Scum don't have a vig, as they would have taken out Palmar with it, doublestacking. Or perhaps some other vet they view as dangerous. With no vig they went for the best safe option, taking out someone who by pushing Adam early was looking very townie, and who wasn't likely to be protected.


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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
December 14 2012 00:36 GMT
#1537
I still want to lynch into boson/djo. I'm leaning leaning boson overall and I keep changing my mind about djo.

I'm surprised about how long people have kept talking about clarity being scum. I just don't see it. His reactions to certain things in the game have been the same as mine + Show Spoiler [example] +
On December 13 2012 09:03 Clarity_nl wrote:
Debears you are a logical mess and I hate that you were right about Adam.
and he's been one of the few people putting serious effort into this game. The timing and context of his claim makes me think he's town claiming because there's no reason not to rather than scum trying to get confirmed town status.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
December 14 2012 00:48 GMT
#1538
eh, i might go for tunkeg as well

I'm gonna do a re-read through of d1 then post thoughts on boson/djo/tunk unless I find something that convinces me not to. I don't have interest in any of the lynches outside of those people.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 14 2012 00:53 GMT
#1539
On December 14 2012 02:27 Z-BosoN wrote:
@Djodref
You bring an interesting point regarding Tunkeg's "shying away" from Palmar. It's additional fluff for him not to actually scumhunt.

I don't understand this passage, though, where you are calling it a scumslip:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953&currentpage=69#1361
Show nested quote +
Calling people dumb like this (reference to potential jailkeepers) is a scumslip. You call town players dumb and bad, mafia players are just mafia players


Can you elaborate?


@ Z-Boson

On December 13 2012 00:36 Tunkeg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 00:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
Directing the jailkeeper when his target is "so obvious only a retard would not" is dumb and useless and throwing WIFOM in the air for no reason. If the target is so obvious why are you even saying it?


Well, there are some seriously dumb people playing this game. If they happened to roll jk they need to be told what to do.


For me, this totally could be a scumslip. Who he is talking about ?
How does he know who is actually dumb (potential jks) and who is just playing dumb on purpose (potential mafia players) ?
It could be easily explained if he had extra info on players alignment, if he is mafia for example.

Honestly, I wouldn't have worried so much about this post if Tunkeg hadn't totally shied away from Palmar when he started to ask questions about it. I could totally see a town player post like this but his reaction feels forced.

On December 13 2012 00:45 Tunkeg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 00:40 Palmar wrote:
On December 13 2012 00:36 Tunkeg wrote:
On December 13 2012 00:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
Directing the jailkeeper when his target is "so obvious only a retard would not" is dumb and useless and throwing WIFOM in the air for no reason. If the target is so obvious why are you even saying it?


Well, there are some seriously dumb people playing this game. If they happend to roll jk they need to be told what to do.


Please list the people dumb enough.


Nah, its the same people I have called dumb earlier. Maybe they haven't noticed or forgot. Don't want to insult them more, they might just not do as told to spite me.


Like, seriously, what the fuck is that kind of line of thinking ?
Why the JK would like to listen to Tunkeg at the first place ? Why would he be emotional ?

And now I'm going to speculate a little. Let's assume that Palmar is town (likely) and that the mafia was planning to mislynch WBG today (also likely imo), they totally needed Palmar alive. But how would you explain that town Palmar is still alive ? He had to be jailed.

At least, that's why I don't see any contradiction with a scum Tunkeg and him asking the JK to jail Palmar.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 14 2012 00:55 GMT
#1540
On December 14 2012 09:48 thrawn2112 wrote:
eh, i might go for tunkeg as well

I'm gonna do a re-read through of d1 then post thoughts on boson/djo/tunk unless I find something that convinces me not to. I don't have interest in any of the lynches outside of those people.


@ thrawn

Like, not even BL ?
This guy doesn't even have a scumread at the moment...
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