EPTNewbie Mini Mafia XLVIII - Page 7
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playerboy345
Netherlands194 Posts
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heavenz
Austria301 Posts
Bereft and Blurry were town and I was mafia. So regarding Blurry, he's very reasonable, gives good imput, but keeps a rather conservative position. He was killed night1 so, I only know his day1 play. The spectators agreed that he was the "obvious" lynch choice, because he played good town (which wasn't that obvious to the players). I would expect of him to play a good townman here as well. Bereft has the right intention, but he was quite busy, so some decision came hasty. I would expect him to play active, calling players out who are not activly participating and pursuing town goals. So, assuming that both are town, I'ld say we have good chances. Even if they aren't town, and they are participating well it's an advantage. | ||
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heavenz
Austria301 Posts
 have you participated in games before this? What are your experiences with tl mafia games? | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
So all I really have is my knowledge from watching that for a bunch of weeks and then i've lurked in some threads before that. I've read up on a bunch of stuff in the stickies and what not for a while and i decided to dive into this one. | ||
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heavenz
Austria301 Posts
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
On September 25 2013 14:39 Jayte wrote: It's game time. Mafia, put your hands up now. Since he joined the game this is his sole contribution. Meh...not trying to contribute, just posting to say he posted. On September 25 2013 22:55 MLuneth wrote: Question: Can the town roleblocker block like a town vigilante / maf roleblocker roleblock maf? This is an odd question. Feels like someone trying to role call falsely in order to be above suspicion. Why not pm your coach or a mod? Mluneth's other post since joining + Show Spoiler + On September 25 2013 22:51 MLuneth wrote: Hey guys, let try and keep the jokes down a little, it just ends up clogging up the thread, something that just helps mafia. In terms of policy lynching a lurker on d1(and in general), I'm against it simply because it lets maf chill (as they know how we will act) rather then being on their toes and hopefully making mistakes that we can punish. As for my idea on on lurkers, I think pressure is key as there is really no reason for town to avoid discussion. Anyway, greetings from Australia It's early but those are my impressions upon going through everyone's posts individually. | ||
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Zaragon
Sweden235 Posts
On September 26 2013 00:23 playerboy345 wrote: Why change the subject T_T this was a great subject to discuss and get everyone's opinion on the matter. I would love to hear everyone's opinion on it. But it's a newbie game and I would also like people to feel comfortable coming in discussing something else, not be completely put off by feeling like they're branded a lurker and need to talk about lurking. Honestly I care more about getting a good game going than making avenues of discussion that pressures lurkers too hard just to justify lurking. We only want them to contribute, about that or something else. On September 26 2013 00:25 heavenz wrote: here's our last newby game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426146 Bereft and Blurry were town and I was mafia. So regarding Blurry, he's very reasonable, gives good imput, but keeps a rather conservative position. He was killed night1 so, I only know his day1 play. The spectators agreed that he was the "obvious" lynch choice, because he played good town (which wasn't that obvious to the players). I would expect of him to play a good townman here as well. Bereft has the right intention, but he was quite busy, so some decision came hasty. I would expect him to play active, calling players out who are not activly participating and pursuing town goals. So, assuming that both are town, I'ld say we have good chances. Even if they aren't town, and they are participating well it's an advantage. At a glance, you were pretty good scum and Blurry pretty good town, Bereft improving well. Good input. On September 26 2013 00:55 Balla24 wrote: This is my first game of any mafia. I used to play sc2 mafia but that really really doesn't count haha... I became interested in playing real mafia by watching eSports mafia on twitch.tv/koibu where a bunch of esports personalities (some from this forum) play games over skype. So all I really have is my knowledge from watching that for a bunch of weeks and then i've lurked in some threads before that. I've read up on a bunch of stuff in the stickies and what not for a while and i decided to dive into this one. I got into playing mafia the same way. I'm really tempted to ask and compare favorite players, but unfortunately that's against the rules under "off topic", I believe. Darn. | ||
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BajaBlood
United States205 Posts
Nothing to contribute about player histories as it's my first game, but thanks to those that were able to provide a bit of background. On September 26 2013 01:20 JonnyLaw wrote: See, when more than 47 minutes have elapsed everyone in the game has posted something at least. Of those posters a couple stand out to me. At the moment I'm wary of Jayte and Mluneth. Since he joined the game this is his sole contribution. Meh...not trying to contribute, just posting to say he posted. Yeah, it's the shortest post so far, but I don't think he's alone in not having contributed any substance yet (myself included). Hopefully we'll start to see more contributions as our discussions turn more in this direction. Moving into discussions like this is probably more productive than the policy lynch, though - at least the guides say so  On September 26 2013 01:20 JonnyLaw wrote: This is an odd question. Feels like someone trying to role call falsely in order to be above suspicion. Why not pm your coach or a mod? This is interesting to me as well. Not sure what the intent behind this post was - I'd assume it was more than just to get the question answered, but it doesn't quite feel like a fake roleclaim either. Plus he's got a game behind him already, it seems, so doesn't feel like sheer ignorance either. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On September 26 2013 01:20 JonnyLaw wrote: This is an odd question. Feels like someone trying to role call falsely in order to be above suspicion. Why not pm your coach or a mod? Mluneth's other post since joining + Show Spoiler + On September 25 2013 22:51 MLuneth wrote: Hey guys, let try and keep the jokes down a little, it just ends up clogging up the thread, something that just helps mafia. In terms of policy lynching a lurker on d1(and in general), I'm against it simply because it lets maf chill (as they know how we will act) rather then being on their toes and hopefully making mistakes that we can punish. As for my idea on on lurkers, I think pressure is key as there is really no reason for town to avoid discussion. Anyway, greetings from Australia On Mluneth, I agree his question is kind of odd. In fact, i'm not totally sure what it was meant to say either? I like the longer post though, it was his first post and he just wanted to get his opinion on the topic out there before going to sleep. We aren't really going to hear much more from him for a while as it is 4:00 am where he his atm. | ||
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playerboy345
Netherlands194 Posts
On September 26 2013 01:20 JonnyLaw wrote: See, when more than 47 minutes have elapsed everyone in the game has posted something at least. Of those posters a couple stand out to me. At the moment I'm wary of Jayte and Mluneth. Since he joined the game this is his sole contribution. Meh...not trying to contribute, just posting to say he posted. This is an odd question. Feels like someone trying to role call falsely in order to be above suspicion. Why not pm your coach or a mod? Mluneth's other post since joining + Show Spoiler + On September 25 2013 22:51 MLuneth wrote: Hey guys, let try and keep the jokes down a little, it just ends up clogging up the thread, something that just helps mafia. In terms of policy lynching a lurker on d1(and in general), I'm against it simply because it lets maf chill (as they know how we will act) rather then being on their toes and hopefully making mistakes that we can punish. As for my idea on on lurkers, I think pressure is key as there is really no reason for town to avoid discussion. Anyway, greetings from Australia It's early but those are my impressions upon going through everyone's posts individually. Lol you got a good point on Jayte, didn't a scum in the previous newbie mafia game start with a similar line? I have to disagree on your MLuneth "read" though, yes he might not be adding much to the game with that post but there really wasn't much to discuss when he posted it other then your opinion on lynching/not lynching lurkers. Though the question is indeed a bit weird, I mean it wouldn't make any sense if he was NOT scum to ask such a question because that would be an easy blue kill night 1 for mafia, or am I missing something here? Maybe he can clear it up when he gets online, I am quite interested in how he will defend the question. | ||
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playerboy345
Netherlands194 Posts
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
As I said yesterday, I don't want to jump on people too quickly and start a band wagon. We don't know their time zones or when they're available to rebuttal. They're just two people to watch because their initial comments seemed a bit off to me. Mluneth's first post was very in-line with the conversation going on at the time. Still, his question was odd. | ||
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playerboy345
Netherlands194 Posts
And I agree with the question, but let's just wait and see how he will defend himself. | ||
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Zaragon
Sweden235 Posts
Meta reads based on Newbie XLVII: heavenz and Bereft are coming in the way I would expect them to (which gives Bereft a little town lean and heavenz, unfortunately, nothing). Blurry is coming in a bit too constructed with only a let's-set-the-playing-field post. I would have expected something that felt a little more natural. Fine post, and if it wasn't his entrance followed by nothing I'd place it just fine in his posting pattern as town. I'm not comfortable with it as is. playerboy345 feels towny so far No opinion on MLuneth. Actually, if he feels comfortable enough to throw that question out (and I think I can figure out what the question is actually asking), that's pretty towny to me by itself, just odd. I have no personality read on him as yet to back that up, though, so neutral to me. | ||
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cakepie
985 Posts
On September 25 2013 22:55 MLuneth wrote: Question: Can the town roleblocker block like a town vigilante / maf roleblocker roleblock maf? Yes, roleblockers can block players of the same alignment as themselves. | ||
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RandomAccount#49059
United States2140 Posts
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Zaragon
Sweden235 Posts
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Bereft
United States1007 Posts
On September 25 2013 21:50 playerboy345 wrote: After rereading the previous page I found this: Can you explain your opinion on this a bit more? The only thing you CAN achieve with lynching lurkers is getting people to be more active, and I'm pretty sure we need to hunt scum, not force people to write meaningless posts. It puts literally ZERO pressure on the mafia, we need to be actively scumhunting - not lurkerhunting. "the only thing you CAN achieve with lynching lurkers is getting people to be more active". seems to me like you answered your own question, not sure what else you expect me to expand on. On September 25 2013 23:42 Zaragon wrote: It's not about lurker-hunting. It's about pushing lurkers into the open and forcing them to show their alignment as much as possible. basically this, a thousand times this. it's to preemptively prevent any lurkers. it's better to have people talk than not talk at all. take an extreme scenario: would you want to be stuck at LYLO with a bunch of 1-liner players? i actually want to hear more from blurry at this point. i agree with zaragon re: his first post. it's already coming off very different from his posting and attitude in the previous game. last game, his first post aimed to initiate discussion. here, he merely reiterates what we already know: quality over quantity. blurry, what are your thoughts so far in the game? i'll give your question from last game back to you: biggest scum read / biggest town read so far? that question is directed towards everyone else in the thread as well, btw. | ||
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BajaBlood
United States205 Posts
On September 25 2013 21:30 xIvanJ wrote: 0.o this has begun already? Dayuuum I just woke up! I personally agree with Blurry, Playerboy345 and Stormtemplar we should NOT lynch lurkers on day1, it puts zero pressure on scum and will likely just clear out townies.. Not terribly impressed that this is the only post so far from this player... Asking for mercy on lurkers then proceeding to post nothing else. On the other side, don't have any particularly strong townie reads at this point. Zaragon probably gives me the best feeling, but really there's no one at this point whose posts I read and think 'no way a red would say this' | ||
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