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On August 21 2012 06:56 LimeNade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 05:02 Enzymatic wrote:
What more are you going to expect from a third world country?
"Innocent until proven guilty" ???
Oh please.. Meh they are lower then a 3rd world country. More like scum off my shoe for this to even be contemplated. Death for basically burning paper? Really? Sorry but kiss my a** the people who wrote up this law should be the ones who should be burned. Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 06:55 Rebornlife wrote:
Two things are the root of all evil.
1. Money
2. Religion Nah don't blame evil on either of those. Evil exists because of human nature not cause of money or religion. Both of which were created by humans. Humans are the cause of evil just as they are of good.
I agree with that statement, perhaps "root" should be replaced with "driving force"
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one more reason why religion is retarded
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Welcome to Islamic Apartheid, the girl was born a Christian and thus is not even human. Suprised? Im not, name the Islamic nations which threat their miniorties as humans, not even turkey does let alone a backwards place as Pakistan.
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So this is what its like living in 17th century Britain O.O
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This screams Doli Incapax to me, if in fact there even was a fire, which was lit by her, which was a holy text of some sort...
Holes everywhere! But I'm not exactly familiar with the state of their legal system.
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This is really sad...death penalty, really?
It seems odd that CNN managed to come across this apparently random and small case though.
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JudicatorHammurabi
I agree with you, but replace burning the Quran in Pakistan with the American flag in the US and many of my countrymen would consider it to be a grave crime, nevermind being up in arms about it (I love the flag, in fact I have a 3x5' but I'm not gonna go nuts if someone has issues with my country). The fact of the matter is the value of something is all subjective according to some majority group in a given demographic.
They wouldn't kill you over it though.
It is their right to be offended. Everyone may have whatever opinion they want, and express it. They may act on their feelings, as long as they do violate your person.
For example, if this girl burned a Quran, the muslims could consider that act offensive to themselves, use that information to judge that she is probably not a girl that shares their values, and thus not like her.
What they can't do is attack or murder her, nor demand that she does not make use of her right to free speech, be it literal or symbolic.
So no, the situation is not the same. Americans would not kill you over it. Even the most fanatical of patriots would probably just really dislike you and get really verbally agressive. Still, all part of the freedom of speech that all parties are entitled to.
But of course, the main problem is this person, a young girl at that, is being executed. What the fuck. Her property or not, the girl isn't going to be executed because she destroyed another's property and Pakistan has an ungodly harsh penal system, but because she destroyed a Quran. A legal system should not work on the premises of an ascribed value beyond the monetary one when it comes to property.
No, exactly, but it is part of the problem that these people generally believe they have the right to dictate what others can and cannot do.
It is perfectly fine to disagree with a person's actions, but the belief that you have the right to suspend theirs is quite another.
Even when I was rather religious, if someone wrecked my bible, I'd just expect them to buy me a new one. The only reason why a bible or any book would be more special than another is if it is a gift from someone imo. Still, it's not at all worth killing someone over. lol
We can certainly agree on that premise, it really isn't worth it to kill someone over a book.
Now to convince the people that murdered people by the dozens because someone drew a cartoon.
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gotta love these "muslims are stupid" and "religion is evil" circlejerks
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On August 21 2012 05:02 Enzymatic wrote:
What more are you going to expect from a third world country?
"Innocent until proven guilty" ???
Oh please..
A third world country that has nukes.
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If I had the money I'd hire some rambo guy to break her free and bring her to the West and who shoots the people responsible for this shit during the rescue operation. Thats at least how it happens in the movies, sad that it does not work in RL, things would be so much easier :S
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despite the fact that she "should" be freed, the chances of her actually not being freed is unfortunately high 
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On August 21 2012 05:00 oGoZenob wrote:
let's hope the 17th century catches them up soon
I could not agree more with you ..
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On August 21 2012 07:12 Skilledblob wrote:
gotta love these "muslims are stupid" and "religion is evil" circlejerks
Religion is the only reason these kinds of things happen. In secular states, like all of Europe and the USA, you would never get a death-penalty for burning a book. Religion is evil.
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Lol what a fucking joke. There is very little I wouldn't give to send a video of myself burning a Quaran to these people and watch them erupt with anger. But are any of you really surprised? These are the same people that bury women in the sand and chuck rocks at their head until they die, in public. AND the ones throwing the rocks are often the family members!
I know I'll probably get banned or warned for saying those things but before I get called a racist 100 times I'd like to remind people that being racist and saying what actually is happening are two different things - for example; compared to their percent of the population, black people are far more likely to commit a crime than a white person. That is based off the FBI's crime statistics. Of course the Canadian government is too fucking afraid to include race as a variable in crime statistics -_-.
In conclusion to the Quaran thing -
Surprising: No
Horrific and wrong: YES
User was temp banned for this post.
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On August 21 2012 07:08 zalz wrote:Show nested quote +JudicatorHammurabi
I agree with you, but replace burning the Quran in Pakistan with the American flag in the US and many of my countrymen would consider it to be a grave crime, nevermind being up in arms about it (I love the flag, in fact I have a 3x5' but I'm not gonna go nuts if someone has issues with my country). The fact of the matter is the value of something is all subjective according to some majority group in a given demographic. They wouldn't kill you over it though. It is their right to be offended. Everyone may have whatever opinion they want, and express it. They may act on their feelings, as long as they do violate your person. For example, if this girl burned a Quran, the muslims could consider that act offensive to themselves, use that information to judge that she is probably not a girl that shares their values, and thus not like her. What they can't do is attack or murder her, nor demand that she does not make use of her right to free speech, be it literal or symbolic. So no, the situation is not the same. Americans would not kill you over it. Even the most fanatical of patriots would probably just really dislike you and get really verbally agressive. Still, all part of the freedom of speech that all parties are entitled to. Show nested quote +But of course, the main problem is this person, a young girl at that, is being executed. What the fuck. Her property or not, the girl isn't going to be executed because she destroyed another's property and Pakistan has an ungodly harsh penal system, but because she destroyed a Quran. A legal system should not work on the premises of an ascribed value beyond the monetary one when it comes to property. No, exactly, but it is part of the problem that these people generally believe they have the right to dictate what others can and cannot do. It is perfectly fine to disagree with a person's actions, but the belief that you have the right to suspend theirs is quite another. Show nested quote +Even when I was rather religious, if someone wrecked my bible, I'd just expect them to buy me a new one. The only reason why a bible or any book would be more special than another is if it is a gift from someone imo. Still, it's not at all worth killing someone over. lol We can certainly agree on that premise, it really isn't worth it to kill someone over a book. Now to convince the people that murdered people by the dozens because someone drew a cartoon.
No, I didn't say anyone here would be killing haha if you think that's what I meant. They'd just be really angry. Even if they were murderous, law enforcement would break them up, rather than fearing the mob and basically giving into it like in the Pakistani case. The other issue is that I doubt the angry mob in Pakistan is some isolated group. There probably would have been the same reaction in many parts of the country, which doesn't really give the police much of a choice but to give in since the people don't listen to "stfu and sit down" when it comes to these religious matters.
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On August 21 2012 07:19 knOxStarcraft wrote:
Lol what a fucking joke. There is very little I wouldn't give to send a video of myself burning a Quaran to these people and watch them erupt with anger. But are any of you really surprised? These are the same people that bury women in the sand and chuck rocks at their head until they die, in public. AND the ones throwing the rocks are often the family members!
I know I'll probably get banned or warned for saying those things but before I get called a racist 100 times I'd like to remind people that being racist and saying what actually is happening are two different things - for example; compared to their percent of the population, black people are far more likely to commit a crime than a white person. That is based off the FBI's crime statistics. Of course the Canadian government is too fucking afraid to include race as a variable in crime statistics -_-.
In conclusion to the Quaran thing -
Surprising: No
Horrific and wrong: YES
There is no link between the event in Pakistan and the crime rate in US. Please avoid this kind of racism out of the subject.
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On August 21 2012 07:30 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 07:19 knOxStarcraft wrote:
Lol what a fucking joke. There is very little I wouldn't give to send a video of myself burning a Quaran to these people and watch them erupt with anger. But are any of you really surprised? These are the same people that bury women in the sand and chuck rocks at their head until they die, in public. AND the ones throwing the rocks are often the family members!
I know I'll probably get banned or warned for saying those things but before I get called a racist 100 times I'd like to remind people that being racist and saying what actually is happening are two different things - for example; compared to their percent of the population, black people are far more likely to commit a crime than a white person. That is based off the FBI's crime statistics. Of course the Canadian government is too fucking afraid to include race as a variable in crime statistics -_-.
In conclusion to the Quaran thing -
Surprising: No
Horrific and wrong: YES There is no link between the event in Pakistan and the crime rate in US. Please avoid this kind of racism out of the subject.
Ya reading through the thread more I'm surprised more people weren't shouting racism - so I'm sorry for bring it up, but nothing I said was racist, like I thought I made clear in the post.
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On August 21 2012 05:13 Roachu wrote:
This is beyond fucked up.
I second that to its furthest extent, fellow countryman.
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Still making governing decisions and laws based off of the beliefs of magical men in the sky in 2012. Some things never change with us humans.
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Ugh. This is inexcusable. Theocracy is such a bad idea.
Somehow the threatening to burn down the christian district doesn't even bother me, it's just an example of religion making stupid conflicts. But jesus, they even want to execute one of their own children...
Side note, I dislike how the cultural relativists, automatic anti west crowd and holier-than-thou nonconformists come in and try to tell everyone how their opinion is irrelevant. Yeah let's just ignore everything that doesn't directly effect us, real healthy way of looking at the world.
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