EPTGirl faces death for burning "something" - Page 5
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fearpLug
Germany153 Posts
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TotalBalanceSC2
Canada475 Posts
On August 21 2012 06:25 dUTtrOACh wrote: Does the term BRIC ring a bell? EDIT: I think there are more millionaires in Brasil than Canadians in Canada. According to all-knowing Wikipedia there were 165,000 millionaires in Brazil in 2011 and 280,000 in Canada. So they are nowhere near as wealthy as Canada edit: this is getting a little off topic though. | ||
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Lockitupv2
United States496 Posts
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On August 21 2012 06:33 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote: According to all-knowing Wikipedia there were 165,000 millionaires in Brazil in 2011 and 280,000 in Canada. So they are nowhere near as wealthy as Canada edit: this is getting a little off topic though. The PIB of Brazil is way higher then the PIB of Canada, also, the fact that there are more Millionaires in Canada doesn't make the Brasil a 3rd world country. | ||
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leveller
Sweden1840 Posts
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
He said that the idea that burning a Quran is bad = retarded. So he agrees with you. The only time you are wrong when burning a Quran, is when you are burning another person's Quran. If the Quran is your property, you can literally wipe your ass with it if you want. The right to own and do with your own property what you like, is a million times more valuable than the supposed divinity of the Quran. Light a Quran on fire if you want, place it in the middle of your house on a shrine, do what you like, as long as it is your own. The notion that others must respect your beliefs and do as you feel, be it through law or intimidation, is totalitarian. Sadly, authoritarian attitudes do not restrict themselves to these governments, but are also widely permiated throughout the society. People love to restrict free speech (and yes, burning a book is free speech, protected under symbolic speech), all they want is to make sure it's the other guy's freedom that gets violated. The problem isn't just the fact that a little girl's life is threatened over this, the larger problem is the belief that burning a Quran is wrong in the first place. Some people like to compare to Christianity, and pretend like it is all the same, but it simply isn't. The cartoon riots left dozens dead and dealt millions of dollars in economic damage, and untold political damage. Islam is not the same as Christianity, that isn't media-bias, that is simple fact. | ||
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AngryMag
Germany1040 Posts
On August 21 2012 06:40 leveller wrote: Yeah lets take more freak cases of people being treated poorly, make it seem even worse and more freaky and influence people to hate muslims more. seems to be working great. In Pakistan this is not a freak case, if you are accused of blasphemy or trying to change the laws regarding blasphemy, you are very likely to get killed | ||
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Marke
Sweden279 Posts
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Grettin
42383 Posts
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
On August 21 2012 06:44 Marke wrote: These countries really need a dick slapped in their face. To kill pepole cause of religion still in this day an age is just beyond retarded. and also due to no physical evidence.. wow God works in mysterious ways... :S | ||
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CarniX
Sweden83 Posts
On August 21 2012 05:04 reki- wrote: Please, like there aren't any places in the western world where a kid would burn a bible or something wouldn't be shunned by the community. Total news value of this is "omg pakistan weird muslims" [edit] although i agree the public reaction is ridiculous to say the least but you have to understand that most of those people live and die by their religion and haven't had any eduction most likely other than from their religious leaders.. I could burn a bible and no one would care.. | ||
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
On August 21 2012 06:40 zalz wrote: He said that the idea that burning a Quran is bad = retarded. So he agrees with you. The only time you are wrong when burning a Quran, is when you are burning another person's Quran. If the Quran is your property, you can literally wipe your ass with it if you want. The right to own and do with your own property what you like, is a million times more valuable than the supposed divinity of the Quran. Light a Quran on fire if you want, place it in the middle of your house on a shrine, do what you like, as long as it is your own. The notion that others must respect your beliefs and do as you feel, be it through law or intimidation, is totalitarian. Sadly, authoritarian attitudes do not restrict themselves to these governments, but are also widely permiated throughout the society. People love to restrict free speech (and yes, burning a book is free speech, protected under symbolic speech), all they want is to make sure it's the other guy's freedom that gets violated. The problem isn't just the fact that a little girl's life is threatened over this, the larger problem is the belief that burning a Quran is wrong in the first place. Some people like to compare to Christianity, and pretend like it is all the same, but it simply isn't. The cartoon riots left dozens dead and dealt millions of dollars in economic damage, and untold political damage. Islam is not the same as Christianity, that isn't media-bias, that is simple fact. I agree with you, but replace burning the Quran in Pakistan with the American flag in the US and many of my countrymen would consider it to be a grave crime, nevermind being up in arms about it (I love the flag, in fact I have a 3x5' but I'm not gonna go nuts if someone has issues with my country). The fact of the matter is the value of something is all subjective according to some majority group in a given demographic. But of course, the main problem is this person, a young girl at that, is being executed. What the fuck. Her property or not, the girl isn't going to be executed because she destroyed another's property and Pakistan has an ungodly harsh penal system, but because she destroyed a Quran. A legal system should not work on the premises of an ascribed value beyond the monetary one when it comes to property. Even when I was rather religious, if someone wrecked my bible, I'd just expect them to buy me a new one. The only reason why a bible or any book would be more special than another is if it is a gift from someone imo. Still, it's not at all worth killing someone over. lol On August 21 2012 06:46 Acritter wrote: Unfortunately, backwards countries use backwards legal systems. It's entirely within their scope to kill insane children for the possibility that they might have burned some unspecified quantity of one particular book. And there's nothing we can do about it, except try to raise standards of living worldwide so that those backwards nations get drawn into the present day. Just would like to note that many poorer nations in the world are not "backwards" in this regard. Even in western Asia/N. Africa, at least before Islamism started growing like wildfire over the past couple decades, many countries enforced secular legal and social policies, eg. Iraq, Egypt, Lebanon, Iran (before khomeini), Turkey, Algeria, Libya, Tunisia, etc. Of course, all of these countries are going backwards now lol. | ||
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Rebornlife
Canada224 Posts
1. Money 2. Religion | ||
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
On August 21 2012 05:02 Enzymatic wrote: What more are you going to expect from a third world country? "Innocent until proven guilty" ??? Oh please.. Meh they are lower then a 3rd world country. More like scum off my shoe for this to even be contemplated. Death for basically burning paper? Really? Sorry but kiss my a** the people who wrote up this law should be the ones who should be burned. On August 21 2012 06:55 Rebornlife wrote: Two things are the root of all evil. 1. Money 2. Religion Nah don't blame evil on either of those. Evil exists because of human nature not cause of money or religion. Both of which were created by humans. Humans are the cause of evil just as they are of good. | ||
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Irrelevant Label
United States596 Posts
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AngryMag
Germany1040 Posts
On August 21 2012 06:51 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: I agree with you, but replace burning the Quran in Pakistan with the American flag in the US and many of my countrymen would consider it to be a grave crime, nevermind being up in arms about it (I love the flag, in fact I have a 3x5' but I'm not gonna go nuts if someone has issues with my country). The fact of the matter is the value of something is all subjective according to some majority group in a given demographic. But of course, the main problem is this person, a young girl at that, is being executed. What the fuck. Her property or not, the girl isn't going to be executed because she destroyed another's property and Pakistan has an ungodly harsh penal system, but because she destroyed a Quran. A legal system should not work on the premises of an ascribed value beyond the monetary one when it comes to property. Even when I was rather religious, if someone wrecked my bible, I'd just expect them to buy me a new one. The only reason why a bible or any book would be more special than another is if it is a gift from someone imo. Still, it's not at all worth killing someone over. lol you should inform yourself about the story. The girl was only arrested after 1000 nutjobs threatened to burn the local christian district to the ground. The christians were already banished from their houses. They were adviced to not come back, otherwise they could be killed. There are of course nutjobs everywhere (your example with the US flag), but I seriously doubt that you could find a large group of 1000 people in the US who gather and threaten to burn the district and kill the people living there because somebody did some stupid shit. | ||
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AeroGear
Canada652 Posts
They are like 200 years behind in terms of social standards, dont expect them to catch/keep up with the rest of the civilized world in the next few years, it takes time and more than 1 generation to take place. If you look back a century or three, "horrible" things happened in europe and the americas, thankfully we did'nt have so called media to drown us with at that time. | ||
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Knap4life
Slovenia333 Posts
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
On August 21 2012 06:59 AngryMag wrote: you should inform yourself about the story. The girl was only arrested after 1000 nutjobs threatened to burn the local christian district to the ground. The christians were already banished from their houses. They were adviced to not come back, otherwise they could be killed. There are of course nutjobs everywhere (your example with the US flag), but I seriously doubt that you could find a large group of 1000 people in the US who gather and threaten to burn the district and kill the people living there because somebody did some stupid shit. Thank you. I wasn't aware how severe the situation was. And even assuming if there were 1,000 nutjobs here that actually formed a mob to go destroying and killing people in a given area, law enforcement would break it up pretty quickly. | ||
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