EPTGirl faces death for burning "something" - Page 2
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Kamikiri
United States1319 Posts
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reki-
Netherlands327 Posts
These kind of newsposts just annoy the crap out of me because it's always turning out reactions like "let's hope the 17th century catches them up soon" and people feel morally superb while commenting on these subjects while it's very likely that it's overexaggerated because it's such a juicy topic. | ||
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
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BadgerBadger8264
Netherlands409 Posts
On August 21 2012 05:09 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote: I can assure you that to the best of my knowledge there are no laws in the "west" that permit someone to be legally put to death for burning a holy text. I hope you are trolling. I think his point was it isn't "Muslims being weird" specifically, which is what most people will make of it, but it's backwards ideologies that were present in every religion - including Christianity - at some point in the past or currently, and that things like these are not a reason to hate on Muslims specifically. | ||
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YouMake
United States262 Posts
On August 21 2012 04:56 Ra`s Al Ghul wrote: CNN Report Three things: 1. She is a minor 2. She may have a mental condition 3. There is not proof beyond reasonable doubt that it was a Quran that she burned These should be more than enough to let her free. Good points. IF! It was a democratic country.. they will not give two shits about what mental condition she has, especially if it may even be a religious text. | ||
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sorrowptoss
Canada1431 Posts
"I looked at it but did not know exactly what it was but I could see it had words written in Arabic," Yeah... about that witness testimony. Looks very constructive and insightful for something a witness might say. I'm not going to jump into the debate of the Pakistani society, but I'm just going to say that killing a child because she burned a piece of paper with words written in Arabic is quite a manifestation of lunacy. | ||
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
On August 21 2012 05:09 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote: I can assure you that to the best of my knowledge there are no laws in the "west" that permit someone to be legally put to death for burning a holy text. I hope you are trolling. Let's just forget about the inquisition and such non-existent shit storms as the Salem witch trials. | ||
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Sandrosuperstar
Sweden525 Posts
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Xiron
Germany1233 Posts
On August 21 2012 05:19 dUTtrOACh wrote: Let's just forget about the inquisition and such non-existent shit storms as the Salem witch trials. Sorry but you went totally off topic. He said: 'There are no laws. It's presence. Inquisition happened quite some time ago, you know? | ||
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McBengt
Sweden1684 Posts
On August 21 2012 05:15 BadgerBadger8264 wrote: I think his point was it isn't "Muslims being weird" specifically, which is what most people will make of it, but it's backwards ideologies that were present in every religion - including Christianity - at some point in the past or currently, and that things like these are not a reason to hate on Muslims specifically. In that case he was being completely fucking deranged. I can't believe anyone would actually make that comparison, or any sort of effort to defend this. Not even here. | ||
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Mrvoodoochild1
United States1439 Posts
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Shebuha
Canada1335 Posts
On August 21 2012 05:12 Grumbels wrote: This seems overly sensationalist. Honestly though, I never get the obsession with the quran some Muslims have. Say one wrong word about something they hold sacred and you should be punished, instead of them just learning to stop feeling so overly sensitive. It's like with the cartoonist that was threatened for making cartoons about Mohammed. It's like, out of everything wrong with the world, why would the tipping point be someone making fun of Islam? Why not instead get upset about violence and poverty? I completely agree with and like you. People in general have to get angry and have wild debates about things like use of language/cursing when there are 1,000,000 things going on the very second of their debate that are more important to discuss. Like who gives a shit if someone made fun of your religion or allegedly burned something that may have had something to do with your religion.. there are, as you said, violence and poverty happening! I guess that's just how things are with Islam. :[ | ||
ImbaTosS
United Kingdom1749 Posts
On August 21 2012 05:19 dUTtrOACh wrote: Let's just forget about the inquisition and such non-existent shit storms as the Salem witch trials. We have moved somewhat beyond that since then, it has to be said. | ||
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Mrvoodoochild1
United States1439 Posts
On August 21 2012 05:23 Sandrosuperstar wrote: I know that everybody think that this is a horrible thing but before being judgemental i just want to urge you to think about the wonderful multicultural and religious piece of history and civilization this also represent. Where would we be without our culture and tradition today. Sure sad things may happen sometimes but much in the same way we don't just exterminate lions because they've eaten people, we shouldn't deny people their culture, religion and traditions just because it seems foreign (and sometimes horrible) to us. WTF? Fuck multiculturalism if that means we should allow the execution of minors who are not fit to stand trial for burning piece of paper. Are you trolling? This cannot be your real opinion. | ||
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Oaky
United States95 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On August 21 2012 05:19 dUTtrOACh wrote: Let's just forget about the inquisition and such non-existent shit storms as the Salem witch trials. lol so outdated. Freedom of religion | ||
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kafkaesque
Germany2006 Posts
People who try to rationalize this by bringing up witch hunt and the crusades clearly have a strange sense of moral or only a very vague understanding of European history... | ||
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Art.FeeL
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On August 21 2012 05:15 reki- wrote: I know people won't be put to death in the west for burning a bible, edited my post. These kind of newsposts just annoy the crap out of me because it's always turning out reactions like "let's hope the 17th century catches them up soon" and people feel morally superb while commenting on these subjects while it's very likely that it's overexaggerated because it's such a juicy topic. Maybe you should be angry at the people who react this way, not at the newspost. Publically pointing out their fucked up legal system is always good. | ||
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
On August 21 2012 04:56 Ra`s Al Ghul wrote: Three things: 1. She is a minor 2. She may have a mental condition 3. There is not proof beyond reasonable doubt that it was a Quran that she burned These should be more than enough to let her free. Sure. However, "proof beyond reasonable doubt" (or lack thereof) is something you bring up at the trial, under US law. The general level needed to arrest is "probable cause". Yes, given the skimpy evidence, any DA worth their salt would not bother to prosecute, it is still actionable. | ||
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