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What is rather sad is that the US does little to calm down Islamic fundamentalism. I mean, take a look at our greatest ally, Saudi Arabia.
And there has been a major rise of Islamic fundamentalism in Afghanistan after the invasion. And we helped start it in the Cold War but it has gotten much worse after we invaded the nation. I personally blame the Soviets more than anything for invading Afghanistan in the first place and Afghanistan was surprisingly not a country near failing, it was a common vacation resort for people that want to go out of country but cannot afford a place like Japan or America but we helped, although no directly, with the rise of Islamic fundamentalism.
Plus, although Ali Bhutto was no angel, we helped overthrow him and installed an Islamic scumbag.
Edited grammar errors. Sorry zalz D:
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Nuclear war between India and Pakshitstan would be victory for mankind.
Better to have nuclear pollution instead of these "humans".
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On August 21 2012 21:11 Technique wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 21:01 Sea_Food wrote:On August 21 2012 20:45 Technique wrote:On August 21 2012 20:37 Sea_Food wrote:On August 21 2012 20:26 Technique wrote:On August 21 2012 19:07 GT350 wrote:On August 21 2012 19:04 Technique wrote:
Welcome back to the 13-1500s.
Muslims need to get their asses in 2012 and act like civilized people. There are Muslims in France, US, Africa, etc., and not all of them can be lumped up into an "uncivilized tribe" that you make them up to be. Stop being a bigot and generalizing. On August 21 2012 19:13 Agathon wrote:On August 21 2012 19:03 TheRealArtemis wrote:On August 21 2012 18:20 leveller wrote:On August 21 2012 06:42 AngryMag wrote:On August 21 2012 06:40 leveller wrote:
Yeah lets take more freak cases of people being treated poorly, make it seem even worse and more freaky and influence people to hate muslims more. seems to be working great. In Pakistan this is not a freak case, if you are accused of blasphemy or trying to change the laws regarding blasphemy, you are very likely to get killed What I meant was that this is intended for westerners to circle jerk about how bad islam is and how great our western world is. I mean, religion IS bad and western libreralism is great, but I'm sure there are hundreds and thousands of people being condemned to death over even smaller things than this all over the world at any given day, yet this story has hundreds of TL members raving about it. So, you're saying news like this should just be discarded, because its intended as propaganda against islam, even though it happens with a regualar basis in certain places? And it doesnt happen all over the world? Give me examples of this happening in Japan, Denmark, australia, germany, USA, UK, etc.. Its only muslim nations. Things like this happens weekly in places like Pakistan and egypt. Islam has a pretty bad rep, and I doubt it will change any time soon. Sure, some are indeed "freak" cases, but lets face it. Islam is simply the exact opposite of the western world. On August 21 2012 19:04 Technique wrote:
Welcome back to the 13-1500s.
Muslims need to get their asses in 2012 and act like civilized people. From "Pakistani's brutal laws" to "All muslims are retards"? Seriously?? If blind generalisation is what you call "civilisation", call me "uncivilised". http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/sharia-europe.html Can we agree that if you have to use http://www.billionbibles.org/ in your arguments, you actually have nothing in your side and that you are wrong? Just google sharia europe, you will get the point. + Show Spoiler + That video just takes things out of context. Sure there are crazy muslims, but FYI there are also crazy christians, jews, atheist, everything. The video tells quaran teacheas people to kill non mulsims. Guess what the bible and old testament say the same thing about what to do to non believers. Calm the fuck down. Hence my original comment, welcome back to the 13/1500s that got a bunch of people here upset. But it's the truth.
If everyone is acting like its 13/1500s then nobody is.
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you forgot one very important point:
even if she burned a quran, it would still be totally stupid to kill her for that...
I know that muslims are more strict about that sort of stuff but helooooo....
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On August 21 2012 21:21 Shiragaku wrote:
What is rather sad is that the US does little to calm down Islamic fundamentalism. I mean, take a look at our greatest ally, Saudi Arabia.
And there has been a major rise of Islamic fundamentalism in Afghanistan after the invasion. And we helped start it in the Cold War but it has gotten much worse after we invaded the nation. I personally blame the Soviets more than anything for invading Afghanistan in the first place and Afghanistan was surprisingly a not a country near failing, it was a common vacation resort for people that want to go out of country but cannot afford a place like Japan or America but we helped, although no directly, with the rise of Islamic fundamentalism.
Plus, although Ali Bhutto was no angel, we helped overthrow him and installed an Islamic scumbag.
In fact, Afghanistan was very popular with hippies for a while.
But America supporting Islamist movements can't really be considered a mistake at the time. Islamism seemed too trivial to regard as anything serious, whilst its followers were willing to go and fight against communism, which was the big rival super power of the time.
The USSR started the mess, but Pakistan and its support of the Taliban is what made it into the hellhole that it is today.
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On August 21 2012 05:12 Grumbels wrote:
This seems overly sensationalist. Honestly though, I never get the obsession with the quran some Muslims have. Say one wrong word about something they hold sacred and you should be punished, instead of them just learning to stop feeling so overly sensitive. It's like with the cartoonist that was threatened for making cartoons about Mohammed. It's like, out of everything wrong with the world, why would the tipping point be someone making fun of Islam? Why not instead get upset about violence and poverty?
Its mostly because unlike the bible, islam claims the Quran was written directly by god himself! Unlike christian claims that it was inspired by god, and therefore more open to interpretation.
If you really believed something to be the word of god you might be a little fanatical about it too!
Whats bizarre for me is that its merely a question of semantics, which seem to be carefully used to make the worst decisions possible related to this subjects, some brainwashing is also in order and in the end it seems the Quran is used mostly as a control mechanism of Arabic society than anything else.
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On August 21 2012 21:55 D10 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 05:12 Grumbels wrote:
This seems overly sensationalist. Honestly though, I never get the obsession with the quran some Muslims have. Say one wrong word about something they hold sacred and you should be punished, instead of them just learning to stop feeling so overly sensitive. It's like with the cartoonist that was threatened for making cartoons about Mohammed. It's like, out of everything wrong with the world, why would the tipping point be someone making fun of Islam? Why not instead get upset about violence and poverty? Its mostly because unlike the bible, islam claims the Quran was written directly by god himself! Unlike christian claims that it was inspired by god, and therefore more open to interpretation. If you really believed something to be the word of god you might be a little fanatical about it too! Whats bizarre for me is that its merely a question of semantics, which seem to be carefully used to make the worst decisions possible related to this subjects, some brainwashing is also in order and in the end it seems the Quran is used mostly as a control mechanism of Arabic society than anything else.
All religion was originally made to control society, but some have modernized and use religion as a guideline instead of a absolute law.
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Three things:
1. She is a minor
2. She may have a mental condition
3. There is not proof beyond reasonable doubt that it was a Quran that she burned
These should be more than enough to let her free.
Accept none of those things matter in Pakistan so she probably screwed.
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On August 21 2012 05:04 reki- wrote:
Please, like there aren't any places in the western world where a kid would burn a bible or something wouldn't be shunned by the community.
Total news value of this is "omg pakistan weird muslims" [edit] although i agree the public reaction is ridiculous to say the least but you have to understand that most of those people live and die by their religion and haven't had any eduction most likely other than from their religious leaders..
Shunned is completely different than facing the DEATH penalty.
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On August 21 2012 04:56 Ra`s Al Ghul wrote:
Three things:
1. She is a minor
2. She may have a mental condition
3. There is not proof beyond reasonable doubt that it was a Quran that she burned
Or how about the fact that all she did was burn a fucking book, regardless of content.
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Honestly those three things shouldn't even matter. Burning a book shouldn't be grounds for criminal punishment no matter what it is. Just goes to show you what happens when you leave religious nut jobs in charge. If "god" is so offended, let him deal with it.
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On August 21 2012 07:19 Morpheus.EU wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 07:12 Skilledblob wrote:
gotta love these "muslims are stupid" and "religion is evil" circlejerks Religion is the only reason these kinds of things happen. In secular states, like all of Europe and the USA, you would never get a death-penalty for burning a book. Religion is evil.
You basically have an issue with Islam and Sharia Law which heavily influences the goverment of Islamic nations. Its pretty stupid to bash on all religion.
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On August 21 2012 21:34 sVnteen wrote:
you forgot one very important point:
even if she burned a quran, it would still be totally stupid to kill her for that...
I know that muslims are more strict about that sort of stuff but helooooo....
Do you know that u can get jail time for burning a nation flag ? Some rulles are overkill but these kind of rulles are everywhere in the world. its crazy and stupid but dont worry they wont kill her : )
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On August 21 2012 21:21 exterminatus wrote:
Nuclear war between India and Pakshitstan would be victory for mankind.
Better to have nuclear pollution instead of these "humans".
User was warned for this post
is it easy to dehumanize millions of people without giving any serious thought to the issues?
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On August 21 2012 21:21 Shiragaku wrote:
What is rather sad is that the US does little to calm down Islamic fundamentalism. I mean, take a look at our greatest ally, Saudi Arabia.
And there has been a major rise of Islamic fundamentalism in Afghanistan after the invasion. And we helped start it in the Cold War but it has gotten much worse after we invaded the nation. I personally blame the Soviets more than anything for invading Afghanistan in the first place and Afghanistan was surprisingly not a country near failing, it was a common vacation resort for people that want to go out of country but cannot afford a place like Japan or America but we helped, although no directly, with the rise of Islamic fundamentalism.
Plus, although Ali Bhutto was no angel, we helped overthrow him and installed an Islamic scumbag.
Edited grammar errors. Sorry zalz D:
They went in at the behest of the Afghani government to crush Islamofascist fanatics. I blame the US and Saudis for supporting terrorism and Islamic extremism against a secular, forward-minded Afghani government because the US govt. apparently preferred the spread of Islamic extremism instead of Soviet influence in a place in which it already existed coupled with a poor country moving forward. Look where that got us with Taliban, 9/11, etc... It was a stupid move on our part.
That said, why do we support Saudi Arabia so much? Sure, the ruler of Mecca is a faithful bitch to Uncle Sam (funny how that works out), but they are among the most radicalized and fundamentalist people in the world. I guess our interests mean more than promoting secularism and forward-progress in an increasingly backward region. To be frank, our actions and policies are no different from what any power past or present has done, but it isn't making the situation better in the Mideast... a lot worse if anything and this goes as far back as the 50s.
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On August 21 2012 21:21 exterminatus wrote:
Nuclear war between India and Pakshitstan would be victory for mankind.
Better to have nuclear pollution instead of these "humans".
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thats just stupid there are good people in every country
but it was surely said in anger about this injustice
besides that I find it funny that many people here are like" but she didnt know it was the quran"
She shouldn't be harmed even if she wanted to burn this fantasy book
hopefully at some point in humanitys history religion is completely wiped out
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On August 21 2012 22:29 Littlemuff wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 07:19 Morpheus.EU wrote:On August 21 2012 07:12 Skilledblob wrote:
gotta love these "muslims are stupid" and "religion is evil" circlejerks Religion is the only reason these kinds of things happen. In secular states, like all of Europe and the USA, you would never get a death-penalty for burning a book. Religion is evil. You basically have an issue with Islam and Sharia Law which heavily influences the goverment of Islamic nations. Its pretty stupid to bash on all religion.
No all of religion does nothing but create problems
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On August 21 2012 19:31 Reason wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 19:07 GT350 wrote:On August 21 2012 19:04 Technique wrote:
Welcome back to the 13-1500s.
Muslims need to get their asses in 2012 and act like civilized people. There are Muslims in France, US, Africa, etc., and not all of them can be lumped up into an "uncivilized tribe" that you make them up to be. Stop being a bigot and generalizing. I'm sorry, where in the world do people of any other religion exhibit such behaviour on a comparable scale? So what if not all X's are Y's when all Y's are X's.
What a load of bs crap. Poor ID choice for you I guess. I am sure Muslims in more developed countries are also against this.
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So, the authorities were initially unwilling to take action - what happened to change their minds? I'm assuming that a bunch of men heard about it and started to take action (go to Middle East move - RIIIIOT!)? While it's stupid that she got arrested, I do think that Pakistan could use this to take a progressive step forward by not pressing charges. We see kids arrested quite often in the news for dumb shit they do, they don't know any better...Time to be an adult, Pakistan.
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The laughable thing is that burning the Quran is not really a sin or a sign of disrespect according to Islam. In Islam burning the holy text is the best way to get rid of it and it's the thing mostly used to destroy torn out or worn out texts while throwing it in the trash can be seen as something disrespectful. Unfortunately, this stupid and uninformed fanatism is not the only thing that's wrong in Pakistan. That place still has a lot to go through before becoming on par with developed countries and societies.
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