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FBH to SC2 please we need him to steal the best ceremony award in 2012
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On January 09 2012 14:14 jidolboy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 14:08 Phyrigian wrote:On January 09 2012 14:07 Boblhead wrote:
Im guessing ongamenet purchased rights to broadcast sc2 from gom, so sc2 in msl! my guess never understood why people think ogn would broadcast sc2 over gom. CJ owns both Gretech and OnMedia, they can use one for each. maybe because GOM has shit commentators (from what I heard, some of them were former OGN), not so good cameraman, and mainly OGN is actually a channel
i don't know about the korean commentators, but startale_legend (the obs for gsl) is amazing! he captures all the action, including drops and run bys, he has a flair for the cinematic (camera manipulation), and points things out with his mouse to the viewer (things being researched, mistakes made by players such as pause in SCV production).
even the little things are great, like showing every nuke launch, or focusing on a building such as the twilight council (citadel) right before it begins to research (as a high level player, he often knows what the pros will do before they do it).
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i haven't paid enough attention to the scene for a while so I don't really know what FXOBoss is referring to completely. I don't even know if this upcoming event is even "big" as I'm going to make it seem. I'm pretty sure FXOBoss is referring to something else completely different.
Just note that what I'm about to just say something general about the Korean BW/SC2 scene, and how I see it going right now and the direction it'll take in the near future.
If you paid attention to what's been released, it's pretty damn obvious kespa has been trying to run sc2 for a long time now, despite what other people think. Fomos and DES published plenty of shit regarding industry insiders commenting on things like this, and just pay attention to the IP Rights debate, from the beginning to the conclusion. The fight was an implicit one over SC2 and in the end Kespa has said that they want to be able to help blizzard promote HotS.
if people haven't realized by now bw has been on a decline for a few years now. Proleague ratings, OGN/MBC Game ratings, etc. They are literally 1/3rd of what they were in 2007. It's freaking obvious why MBC Game got canned in the long run. They're a gaming channel and the only thing that generated halfway decent ratings was proleague and everything else people barely watched.
at the same time from what i can tell kespa is pretty convinced that most of the fans in esports are fans of the teams and the players and thus a good portion of these people will follow the players and the teams into sc2 if there was such a switch. considering bw is dying and it's getting harder and harder to get sponsors (don't take what they say in the press at face value, btw), it's logical that they are probably going to do sc2 soon.
why do you think PL has two "distinct" seasons with two distinct finals? this isn't a coincidence. its not something they would want to announce either since it'd take away from the current BW scene. do you think fomos picking up sc2 randomly again is a coincidence? or DES completely flipping their stance on SC2? They went from calling it an amateur prize hunter league to finally recognizing GSL is even a tournament. Remember all those teaser articles? korean bw/sc2 coverage is very very well controlled. realize that. they use it to gauge reactions. they "tease" about events that'll happen. notice that all of those are probably in there for a VERY good reason.
wake the hell up bw people. it's not "if", it's "when". It'll probably happen this year.
also to anyone who says "BW is on life support" -- esports as a whole is on life support. Why do you think blizzard dropped the stance on trying to extort money from the scene in korea? They finally discovered that no one in korean esports (except maybe OGN/MBC Game but that's arguable) makes any sort of money and that kespa literally lives off sponsors.
The entire scene has been a freaking fragile one since the entire IP rights debacle. If IP rights debacle never happened and blizzard fully supported KeSPA (then again, this may not have happened since people in KeSPA are kind of obtuse to a certain extent -_-) everyone would have swapped to SC2 and we'd be seeing a lot higher level play. imagine everyone is on MVP/MMA's level, and then there's like a few people who are one level on top of that. its kind of funny how bw people talk down players like mvp mma and say that they weren't good BW players -- MMA was only pro for a year and only retired due to personal reasons but he had a ton of potential and mvp would probably be a solid terran on the level of Bogus right now. Just imagine if everyone was as good as or at least as good as them with a few people a few notches higher and that's what you should be expecting once all of them fully transitioned.
that's my 2 cents. i highly recommend people to read korean news sources with a bit higher degree of scrutiny because again they're all very well controlled.
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I can see Hydra and Ruby switching over to SC2 in coming months...
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On January 09 2012 15:17 mrlie3 wrote:
I can see Hydra and Ruby switching over to SC2 in coming months...
its highly unlikely for a team's Ace like Hydra to switch soon, but ruby sure.
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On January 09 2012 15:10 Yaki wrote:
FBH to SC2 please we need him to steal the best ceremony award in 2012
this put a smile on my face 
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On January 09 2012 15:21 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 15:17 mrlie3 wrote:
I can see Hydra and Ruby switching over to SC2 in coming months... its highly unlikely for a team's Ace like Hydra to switch soon, but ruby sure.
Hydra is known to be playing SC2 in the Korean ladder though... that's my reasoning.
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On January 09 2012 15:25 mrlie3 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 15:21 BLinD-RawR wrote:On January 09 2012 15:17 mrlie3 wrote:
I can see Hydra and Ruby switching over to SC2 in coming months... its highly unlikely for a team's Ace like Hydra to switch soon, but ruby sure. Hydra is known to be playing SC2 in the Korean ladder though... that's my reasoning.
um. Source please?
If you were referring from 'cjentushydra' that guy recently changed his name to something else..
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Thanks for the interesting read Milkis
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On January 09 2012 15:17 Milkis wrote:
i haven't paid enough attention to the scene for a while so I don't really know what FXOBoss is referring to completely. I don't even know if this upcoming event is even "big" as I'm going to make it seem. I'm pretty sure FXOBoss is referring to something else completely different.
Just note that what I'm about to just say something general about the Korean BW/SC2 scene, and how I see it going right now and the direction it'll take in the near future.
If you paid attention to what's been released, it's pretty damn obvious kespa has been trying to run sc2 for a long time now, despite what other people think. Fomos and DES published plenty of shit regarding industry insiders commenting on things like this, and just pay attention to the IP Rights debate, from the beginning to the conclusion. The fight was an implicit one over SC2 and in the end Kespa has said that they want to be able to help blizzard promote HotS.
if people haven't realized by now bw has been on a decline for a few years now. Proleague ratings, OGN/MBC Game ratings, etc. They are literally 1/3rd of what they were in 2007. It's freaking obvious why MBC Game got canned in the long run. They're a gaming channel and the only thing that generated halfway decent ratings was proleague and everything else people barely watched.
at the same time from what i can tell kespa is pretty convinced that most of the fans in esports are fans of the teams and the players and thus a good portion of these people will follow the players and the teams into sc2 if there was such a switch. considering bw is dying and it's getting harder and harder to get sponsors (don't take what they say in the press at face value, btw), it's logical that they are probably going to do sc2 soon.
why do you think PL has two "distinct" seasons with two distinct finals? this isn't a coincidence. its not something they would want to announce either since it'd take away from the current BW scene. do you think fomos picking up sc2 randomly again is a coincidence? or DES completely flipping their stance on BW? or all those teaser articles? korean bw/sc2 coverage is very very well controlled. realize that. they use it to gauge reactions. they "tease" about events that'll happen. notice that all of those are probably in there for a VERY good reason.
wake the hell up bw people. it's not "if", it's "when". It'll probably happen this year.
also to anyone who says "BW is on life support" -- esports as a whole is on life support. Why do you think blizzard dropped the stance on trying to extort money from the scene in korea? They finally discovered that no one in korean esports (except maybe OGN/MBC Game but that's arguable) makes any sort of money and that kespa literally lives off sponsors.
The entire scene has been a freaking fragile one since the entire IP rights debacle. If IP rights debacle never happened and blizzard fully supported KeSPA (then again, this may not have happened since people in KeSPA are kind of obtuse to a certain extent -_-) everyone would have swapped to SC2 and we'd be seeing a lot higher level play. imagine everyone is on MVP/MMA's level, and then there's like a few people who are one level on top of that. its kind of funny how bw people talk down players like mvp mma and say that they weren't good BW players -- MMA was only pro for a year and only retired due to personal reasons but he had a ton of potential and mvp would probably be a solid terran on the level of Bogus right now. Just imagine if everyone was as good as or at least as good as them with a few people a few notches higher and that's what you should be expecting once all of them fully transitioned.
that's my 2 cents. i highly recommend people to read korean news sources with a bit higher degree of scrutiny because again they're all very well controlled.
Edit: Misread
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It's upsetting basically being confirmed that big names are gonna switch over, it really makes me wonder who/what teams are going to be going to SC2... I feel like it could easily be any of them.
With all these sources saying really big names are switching over, I really wanna know how much time TLBS is putting into SC2, along w/ Fantasy, ZerO, Sea, etc. Cause they're all playing it obviously ( D: ), but full time is pretty ridiculous, I REALLY wanna know, it's like so suspenseful!!!
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On January 09 2012 15:17 Milkis wrote:
i haven't paid enough attention to the scene for a while so I don't really know what FXOBoss is referring to completely. I don't even know if this upcoming event is even "big" as I'm going to make it seem. I'm pretty sure FXOBoss is referring to something else completely different.
Just note that what I'm about to just say something general about the Korean BW/SC2 scene, and how I see it going right now and the direction it'll take in the near future.
If you paid attention to what's been released, it's pretty damn obvious kespa has been trying to run sc2 for a long time now, despite what other people think. Fomos and DES published plenty of shit regarding industry insiders commenting on things like this, and just pay attention to the IP Rights debate, from the beginning to the conclusion. The fight was an implicit one over SC2 and in the end Kespa has said that they want to be able to help blizzard promote HotS.
if people haven't realized by now bw has been on a decline for a few years now. Proleague ratings, OGN/MBC Game ratings, etc. They are literally 1/3rd of what they were in 2007. It's freaking obvious why MBC Game got canned in the long run. They're a gaming channel and the only thing that generated halfway decent ratings was proleague and everything else people barely watched.
at the same time from what i can tell kespa is pretty convinced that most of the fans in esports are fans of the teams and the players and thus a good portion of these people will follow the players and the teams into sc2 if there was such a switch. considering bw is dying and it's getting harder and harder to get sponsors (don't take what they say in the press at face value, btw), it's logical that they are probably going to do sc2 soon.
why do you think PL has two "distinct" seasons with two distinct finals? this isn't a coincidence. its not something they would want to announce either since it'd take away from the current BW scene. do you think fomos picking up sc2 randomly again is a coincidence? or DES completely flipping their stance on BW? or all those teaser articles? korean bw/sc2 coverage is very very well controlled. realize that. they use it to gauge reactions. they "tease" about events that'll happen. notice that all of those are probably in there for a VERY good reason.
wake the hell up bw people. it's not "if", it's "when". It'll probably happen this year.
also to anyone who says "BW is on life support" -- esports as a whole is on life support. Why do you think blizzard dropped the stance on trying to extort money from the scene in korea? They finally discovered that no one in korean esports (except maybe OGN/MBC Game but that's arguable) makes any sort of money and that kespa literally lives off sponsors.
The entire scene has been a freaking fragile one since the entire IP rights debacle. If IP rights debacle never happened and blizzard fully supported KeSPA (then again, this may not have happened since people in KeSPA are kind of obtuse to a certain extent -_-) everyone would have swapped to SC2 and we'd be seeing a lot higher level play. imagine everyone is on MVP/MMA's level, and then there's like a few people who are one level on top of that. its kind of funny how bw people talk down players like mvp mma and say that they weren't good BW players -- MMA was only pro for a year and only retired due to personal reasons but he had a ton of potential and mvp would probably be a solid terran on the level of Bogus right now. Just imagine if everyone was as good as or at least as good as them with a few people a few notches higher and that's what you should be expecting once all of them fully transitioned.
that's my 2 cents. i highly recommend people to read korean news sources with a bit higher degree of scrutiny because again they're all very well controlled.
Woah it's Milkis!
Thanks for the insight
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On January 09 2012 15:35 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 15:17 Milkis wrote:
i haven't paid enough attention to the scene for a while so I don't really know what FXOBoss is referring to completely. I don't even know if this upcoming event is even "big" as I'm going to make it seem. I'm pretty sure FXOBoss is referring to something else completely different.
Just note that what I'm about to just say something general about the Korean BW/SC2 scene, and how I see it going right now and the direction it'll take in the near future.
If you paid attention to what's been released, it's pretty damn obvious kespa has been trying to run sc2 for a long time now, despite what other people think. Fomos and DES published plenty of shit regarding industry insiders commenting on things like this, and just pay attention to the IP Rights debate, from the beginning to the conclusion. The fight was an implicit one over SC2 and in the end Kespa has said that they want to be able to help blizzard promote HotS.
if people haven't realized by now bw has been on a decline for a few years now. Proleague ratings, OGN/MBC Game ratings, etc. They are literally 1/3rd of what they were in 2007. It's freaking obvious why MBC Game got canned in the long run. They're a gaming channel and the only thing that generated halfway decent ratings was proleague and everything else people barely watched.
at the same time from what i can tell kespa is pretty convinced that most of the fans in esports are fans of the teams and the players and thus a good portion of these people will follow the players and the teams into sc2 if there was such a switch. considering bw is dying and it's getting harder and harder to get sponsors (don't take what they say in the press at face value, btw), it's logical that they are probably going to do sc2 soon.
why do you think PL has two "distinct" seasons with two distinct finals? this isn't a coincidence. its not something they would want to announce either since it'd take away from the current BW scene. do you think fomos picking up sc2 randomly again is a coincidence? or DES completely flipping their stance on BW? or all those teaser articles? korean bw/sc2 coverage is very very well controlled. realize that. they use it to gauge reactions. they "tease" about events that'll happen. notice that all of those are probably in there for a VERY good reason.
wake the hell up bw people. it's not "if", it's "when". It'll probably happen this year.
also to anyone who says "BW is on life support" -- esports as a whole is on life support. Why do you think blizzard dropped the stance on trying to extort money from the scene in korea? They finally discovered that no one in korean esports (except maybe OGN/MBC Game but that's arguable) makes any sort of money and that kespa literally lives off sponsors.
The entire scene has been a freaking fragile one since the entire IP rights debacle. If IP rights debacle never happened and blizzard fully supported KeSPA (then again, this may not have happened since people in KeSPA are kind of obtuse to a certain extent -_-) everyone would have swapped to SC2 and we'd be seeing a lot higher level play. imagine everyone is on MVP/MMA's level, and then there's like a few people who are one level on top of that. its kind of funny how bw people talk down players like mvp mma and say that they weren't good BW players -- MMA was only pro for a year and only retired due to personal reasons but he had a ton of potential and mvp would probably be a solid terran on the level of Bogus right now. Just imagine if everyone was as good as or at least as good as them with a few people a few notches higher and that's what you should be expecting once all of them fully transitioned.
that's my 2 cents. i highly recommend people to read korean news sources with a bit higher degree of scrutiny because again they're all very well controlled. No damnit. Don't go pulling this "Only Korean BW is E-Sports" shit again. E-Sports is fine, Korean BW is dying, there is a very distinct difference. KeSPA is not E-Sports. The millions and millions of dollars and millions of viewers for other games besides BW all over the world is light years ahead of a system where they control.
learn to read. i have never, ever, said that by YOUR definition that was true. I said i didn't like that definitio so defined my own term/definition. It's not the same fucking thing.
Which you would have figured out if you and everyone learned how to fucking read instead of bandwagonning off some DJWheat post which was a rash emotional response and had nothing to do with what i was implying. So why dont you and the rest of the community stop putting words in my mouth?
In fact before DJ Wheat made that rather rash post people actually picked up on that I defined things differently and commented on that. Amusingly enough the second he made that post all of that was ignored and it was just a lynch mob from that point.
anyway i'm obviously referring to korean esports which is bw/sc2. korean esports is doomed unless LoL picks up to be the new hot thing which is strongly heading towards that direction (so i guess it's not too doomed)
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On January 09 2012 15:39 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 15:35 Diamond wrote:On January 09 2012 15:17 Milkis wrote:
i haven't paid enough attention to the scene for a while so I don't really know what FXOBoss is referring to completely. I don't even know if this upcoming event is even "big" as I'm going to make it seem. I'm pretty sure FXOBoss is referring to something else completely different.
Just note that what I'm about to just say something general about the Korean BW/SC2 scene, and how I see it going right now and the direction it'll take in the near future.
If you paid attention to what's been released, it's pretty damn obvious kespa has been trying to run sc2 for a long time now, despite what other people think. Fomos and DES published plenty of shit regarding industry insiders commenting on things like this, and just pay attention to the IP Rights debate, from the beginning to the conclusion. The fight was an implicit one over SC2 and in the end Kespa has said that they want to be able to help blizzard promote HotS.
if people haven't realized by now bw has been on a decline for a few years now. Proleague ratings, OGN/MBC Game ratings, etc. They are literally 1/3rd of what they were in 2007. It's freaking obvious why MBC Game got canned in the long run. They're a gaming channel and the only thing that generated halfway decent ratings was proleague and everything else people barely watched.
at the same time from what i can tell kespa is pretty convinced that most of the fans in esports are fans of the teams and the players and thus a good portion of these people will follow the players and the teams into sc2 if there was such a switch. considering bw is dying and it's getting harder and harder to get sponsors (don't take what they say in the press at face value, btw), it's logical that they are probably going to do sc2 soon.
why do you think PL has two "distinct" seasons with two distinct finals? this isn't a coincidence. its not something they would want to announce either since it'd take away from the current BW scene. do you think fomos picking up sc2 randomly again is a coincidence? or DES completely flipping their stance on BW? or all those teaser articles? korean bw/sc2 coverage is very very well controlled. realize that. they use it to gauge reactions. they "tease" about events that'll happen. notice that all of those are probably in there for a VERY good reason.
wake the hell up bw people. it's not "if", it's "when". It'll probably happen this year.
also to anyone who says "BW is on life support" -- esports as a whole is on life support. Why do you think blizzard dropped the stance on trying to extort money from the scene in korea? They finally discovered that no one in korean esports (except maybe OGN/MBC Game but that's arguable) makes any sort of money and that kespa literally lives off sponsors.
The entire scene has been a freaking fragile one since the entire IP rights debacle. If IP rights debacle never happened and blizzard fully supported KeSPA (then again, this may not have happened since people in KeSPA are kind of obtuse to a certain extent -_-) everyone would have swapped to SC2 and we'd be seeing a lot higher level play. imagine everyone is on MVP/MMA's level, and then there's like a few people who are one level on top of that. its kind of funny how bw people talk down players like mvp mma and say that they weren't good BW players -- MMA was only pro for a year and only retired due to personal reasons but he had a ton of potential and mvp would probably be a solid terran on the level of Bogus right now. Just imagine if everyone was as good as or at least as good as them with a few people a few notches higher and that's what you should be expecting once all of them fully transitioned.
that's my 2 cents. i highly recommend people to read korean news sources with a bit higher degree of scrutiny because again they're all very well controlled. No damnit. Don't go pulling this "Only Korean BW is E-Sports" shit again. E-Sports is fine, Korean BW is dying, there is a very distinct difference. KeSPA is not E-Sports. The millions and millions of dollars and millions of viewers for other games besides BW all over the world is light years ahead of a system where they control. learn to read. i have never, ever, said that by YOUR definition that was true. I said i didn't like that definitionI defined my own term/definition. Which you would have figured out if you and everyone learned how to fucking read instead of bandwagonning off some DJWheat post which was a rash emotional response and had nothing to do with what i was implying. So why dont you and the rest of the community stop putting words in my mouth? anyway i'm obviously referring to korean esports which is bw/sc2. korean esports is doomed unless LoL picks up to be the new hot thing which is strongly heading towards that direction.
Uh what?
On January 09 2012 15:17 Milkis wrote:
also to anyone who says "BW is on life support" -- esports as a whole is on life support.
You don't just get to redefine defined terms because you want to personally. E-Sports is many games, no matter how much it seems to bug you.
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On January 09 2012 15:41 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 15:39 Milkis wrote:On January 09 2012 15:35 Diamond wrote:On January 09 2012 15:17 Milkis wrote:
i haven't paid enough attention to the scene for a while so I don't really know what FXOBoss is referring to completely. I don't even know if this upcoming event is even "big" as I'm going to make it seem. I'm pretty sure FXOBoss is referring to something else completely different.
Just note that what I'm about to just say something general about the Korean BW/SC2 scene, and how I see it going right now and the direction it'll take in the near future.
If you paid attention to what's been released, it's pretty damn obvious kespa has been trying to run sc2 for a long time now, despite what other people think. Fomos and DES published plenty of shit regarding industry insiders commenting on things like this, and just pay attention to the IP Rights debate, from the beginning to the conclusion. The fight was an implicit one over SC2 and in the end Kespa has said that they want to be able to help blizzard promote HotS.
if people haven't realized by now bw has been on a decline for a few years now. Proleague ratings, OGN/MBC Game ratings, etc. They are literally 1/3rd of what they were in 2007. It's freaking obvious why MBC Game got canned in the long run. They're a gaming channel and the only thing that generated halfway decent ratings was proleague and everything else people barely watched.
at the same time from what i can tell kespa is pretty convinced that most of the fans in esports are fans of the teams and the players and thus a good portion of these people will follow the players and the teams into sc2 if there was such a switch. considering bw is dying and it's getting harder and harder to get sponsors (don't take what they say in the press at face value, btw), it's logical that they are probably going to do sc2 soon.
why do you think PL has two "distinct" seasons with two distinct finals? this isn't a coincidence. its not something they would want to announce either since it'd take away from the current BW scene. do you think fomos picking up sc2 randomly again is a coincidence? or DES completely flipping their stance on BW? or all those teaser articles? korean bw/sc2 coverage is very very well controlled. realize that. they use it to gauge reactions. they "tease" about events that'll happen. notice that all of those are probably in there for a VERY good reason.
wake the hell up bw people. it's not "if", it's "when". It'll probably happen this year.
also to anyone who says "BW is on life support" -- esports as a whole is on life support. Why do you think blizzard dropped the stance on trying to extort money from the scene in korea? They finally discovered that no one in korean esports (except maybe OGN/MBC Game but that's arguable) makes any sort of money and that kespa literally lives off sponsors.
The entire scene has been a freaking fragile one since the entire IP rights debacle. If IP rights debacle never happened and blizzard fully supported KeSPA (then again, this may not have happened since people in KeSPA are kind of obtuse to a certain extent -_-) everyone would have swapped to SC2 and we'd be seeing a lot higher level play. imagine everyone is on MVP/MMA's level, and then there's like a few people who are one level on top of that. its kind of funny how bw people talk down players like mvp mma and say that they weren't good BW players -- MMA was only pro for a year and only retired due to personal reasons but he had a ton of potential and mvp would probably be a solid terran on the level of Bogus right now. Just imagine if everyone was as good as or at least as good as them with a few people a few notches higher and that's what you should be expecting once all of them fully transitioned.
that's my 2 cents. i highly recommend people to read korean news sources with a bit higher degree of scrutiny because again they're all very well controlled. No damnit. Don't go pulling this "Only Korean BW is E-Sports" shit again. E-Sports is fine, Korean BW is dying, there is a very distinct difference. KeSPA is not E-Sports. The millions and millions of dollars and millions of viewers for other games besides BW all over the world is light years ahead of a system where they control. learn to read. i have never, ever, said that by YOUR definition that was true. I said i didn't like that definitionI defined my own term/definition. Which you would have figured out if you and everyone learned how to fucking read instead of bandwagonning off some DJWheat post which was a rash emotional response and had nothing to do with what i was implying. So why dont you and the rest of the community stop putting words in my mouth? anyway i'm obviously referring to korean esports which is bw/sc2. korean esports is doomed unless LoL picks up to be the new hot thing which is strongly heading towards that direction. Uh what? Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 15:17 Milkis wrote:
also to anyone who says "BW is on life support" -- esports as a whole is on life support.
did you miss the part where i said
"Just note that what I'm about to just say something general about the Korean BW/SC2 scene, and how I see it going right now and the direction it'll take in the near future. "
stop being a fucking pedant and just accept that i didn't mean it that way. Is it really that important that you try to fit me into your biased opinion based on a post i admitted that was worded badly?
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On January 09 2012 15:43 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 15:41 Diamond wrote:On January 09 2012 15:39 Milkis wrote:On January 09 2012 15:35 Diamond wrote:On January 09 2012 15:17 Milkis wrote:
i haven't paid enough attention to the scene for a while so I don't really know what FXOBoss is referring to completely. I don't even know if this upcoming event is even "big" as I'm going to make it seem. I'm pretty sure FXOBoss is referring to something else completely different.
Just note that what I'm about to just say something general about the Korean BW/SC2 scene, and how I see it going right now and the direction it'll take in the near future.
If you paid attention to what's been released, it's pretty damn obvious kespa has been trying to run sc2 for a long time now, despite what other people think. Fomos and DES published plenty of shit regarding industry insiders commenting on things like this, and just pay attention to the IP Rights debate, from the beginning to the conclusion. The fight was an implicit one over SC2 and in the end Kespa has said that they want to be able to help blizzard promote HotS.
if people haven't realized by now bw has been on a decline for a few years now. Proleague ratings, OGN/MBC Game ratings, etc. They are literally 1/3rd of what they were in 2007. It's freaking obvious why MBC Game got canned in the long run. They're a gaming channel and the only thing that generated halfway decent ratings was proleague and everything else people barely watched.
at the same time from what i can tell kespa is pretty convinced that most of the fans in esports are fans of the teams and the players and thus a good portion of these people will follow the players and the teams into sc2 if there was such a switch. considering bw is dying and it's getting harder and harder to get sponsors (don't take what they say in the press at face value, btw), it's logical that they are probably going to do sc2 soon.
why do you think PL has two "distinct" seasons with two distinct finals? this isn't a coincidence. its not something they would want to announce either since it'd take away from the current BW scene. do you think fomos picking up sc2 randomly again is a coincidence? or DES completely flipping their stance on BW? or all those teaser articles? korean bw/sc2 coverage is very very well controlled. realize that. they use it to gauge reactions. they "tease" about events that'll happen. notice that all of those are probably in there for a VERY good reason.
wake the hell up bw people. it's not "if", it's "when". It'll probably happen this year.
also to anyone who says "BW is on life support" -- esports as a whole is on life support. Why do you think blizzard dropped the stance on trying to extort money from the scene in korea? They finally discovered that no one in korean esports (except maybe OGN/MBC Game but that's arguable) makes any sort of money and that kespa literally lives off sponsors.
The entire scene has been a freaking fragile one since the entire IP rights debacle. If IP rights debacle never happened and blizzard fully supported KeSPA (then again, this may not have happened since people in KeSPA are kind of obtuse to a certain extent -_-) everyone would have swapped to SC2 and we'd be seeing a lot higher level play. imagine everyone is on MVP/MMA's level, and then there's like a few people who are one level on top of that. its kind of funny how bw people talk down players like mvp mma and say that they weren't good BW players -- MMA was only pro for a year and only retired due to personal reasons but he had a ton of potential and mvp would probably be a solid terran on the level of Bogus right now. Just imagine if everyone was as good as or at least as good as them with a few people a few notches higher and that's what you should be expecting once all of them fully transitioned.
that's my 2 cents. i highly recommend people to read korean news sources with a bit higher degree of scrutiny because again they're all very well controlled. No damnit. Don't go pulling this "Only Korean BW is E-Sports" shit again. E-Sports is fine, Korean BW is dying, there is a very distinct difference. KeSPA is not E-Sports. The millions and millions of dollars and millions of viewers for other games besides BW all over the world is light years ahead of a system where they control. learn to read. i have never, ever, said that by YOUR definition that was true. I said i didn't like that definitionI defined my own term/definition. Which you would have figured out if you and everyone learned how to fucking read instead of bandwagonning off some DJWheat post which was a rash emotional response and had nothing to do with what i was implying. So why dont you and the rest of the community stop putting words in my mouth? anyway i'm obviously referring to korean esports which is bw/sc2. korean esports is doomed unless LoL picks up to be the new hot thing which is strongly heading towards that direction. Uh what? On January 09 2012 15:17 Milkis wrote:
also to anyone who says "BW is on life support" -- esports as a whole is on life support. did you miss the part where i said "Just note that what I'm about to just say something general about the Korean BW/SC2 scene, and how I see it going right now and the direction it'll take in the near future. " stop being a fucking pedant and just accept that i didn't mean it that way. Is it really that important that you try to fit me into your biased opinion based on a post i admitted that was worded badly?
Actually I totally did as I speed read, my mistake. Sorry.
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On January 09 2012 15:35 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 15:17 Milkis wrote:
i haven't paid enough attention to the scene for a while so I don't really know what FXOBoss is referring to completely. I don't even know if this upcoming event is even "big" as I'm going to make it seem. I'm pretty sure FXOBoss is referring to something else completely different.
Just note that what I'm about to just say something general about the Korean BW/SC2 scene, and how I see it going right now and the direction it'll take in the near future.
If you paid attention to what's been released, it's pretty damn obvious kespa has been trying to run sc2 for a long time now, despite what other people think. Fomos and DES published plenty of shit regarding industry insiders commenting on things like this, and just pay attention to the IP Rights debate, from the beginning to the conclusion. The fight was an implicit one over SC2 and in the end Kespa has said that they want to be able to help blizzard promote HotS.
if people haven't realized by now bw has been on a decline for a few years now. Proleague ratings, OGN/MBC Game ratings, etc. They are literally 1/3rd of what they were in 2007. It's freaking obvious why MBC Game got canned in the long run. They're a gaming channel and the only thing that generated halfway decent ratings was proleague and everything else people barely watched.
at the same time from what i can tell kespa is pretty convinced that most of the fans in esports are fans of the teams and the players and thus a good portion of these people will follow the players and the teams into sc2 if there was such a switch. considering bw is dying and it's getting harder and harder to get sponsors (don't take what they say in the press at face value, btw), it's logical that they are probably going to do sc2 soon.
why do you think PL has two "distinct" seasons with two distinct finals? this isn't a coincidence. its not something they would want to announce either since it'd take away from the current BW scene. do you think fomos picking up sc2 randomly again is a coincidence? or DES completely flipping their stance on BW? or all those teaser articles? korean bw/sc2 coverage is very very well controlled. realize that. they use it to gauge reactions. they "tease" about events that'll happen. notice that all of those are probably in there for a VERY good reason.
wake the hell up bw people. it's not "if", it's "when". It'll probably happen this year.
also to anyone who says "BW is on life support" -- esports as a whole is on life support. Why do you think blizzard dropped the stance on trying to extort money from the scene in korea? They finally discovered that no one in korean esports (except maybe OGN/MBC Game but that's arguable) makes any sort of money and that kespa literally lives off sponsors.
The entire scene has been a freaking fragile one since the entire IP rights debacle. If IP rights debacle never happened and blizzard fully supported KeSPA (then again, this may not have happened since people in KeSPA are kind of obtuse to a certain extent -_-) everyone would have swapped to SC2 and we'd be seeing a lot higher level play. imagine everyone is on MVP/MMA's level, and then there's like a few people who are one level on top of that. its kind of funny how bw people talk down players like mvp mma and say that they weren't good BW players -- MMA was only pro for a year and only retired due to personal reasons but he had a ton of potential and mvp would probably be a solid terran on the level of Bogus right now. Just imagine if everyone was as good as or at least as good as them with a few people a few notches higher and that's what you should be expecting once all of them fully transitioned.
that's my 2 cents. i highly recommend people to read korean news sources with a bit higher degree of scrutiny because again they're all very well controlled. No damnit. Don't go pulling this "Only Korean BW is E-Sports" shit again. E-Sports is fine, Korean BW is dying, there is a very distinct difference. This is the exact same stuff that got you in hot water before. KeSPA is not E-Sports. The millions and millions of dollars and millions of viewers for other games besides BW (SC2, LoL, DoTA2, etc) all over the world is light years ahead of a system where they control. The worse they can do is fuck up SC2 (which obv would have huge ramifications) but even at this point heading into 2012 I think it's past their control even.
errrr? where did he say "Only Korean BW is E-Sports" i didn't see him post that anywhere in there and i just read the whole thing..?
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On January 09 2012 15:41 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 15:39 Milkis wrote:On January 09 2012 15:35 Diamond wrote:On January 09 2012 15:17 Milkis wrote:
i haven't paid enough attention to the scene for a while so I don't really know what FXOBoss is referring to completely. I don't even know if this upcoming event is even "big" as I'm going to make it seem. I'm pretty sure FXOBoss is referring to something else completely different.
Just note that what I'm about to just say something general about the Korean BW/SC2 scene, and how I see it going right now and the direction it'll take in the near future.
If you paid attention to what's been released, it's pretty damn obvious kespa has been trying to run sc2 for a long time now, despite what other people think. Fomos and DES published plenty of shit regarding industry insiders commenting on things like this, and just pay attention to the IP Rights debate, from the beginning to the conclusion. The fight was an implicit one over SC2 and in the end Kespa has said that they want to be able to help blizzard promote HotS.
if people haven't realized by now bw has been on a decline for a few years now. Proleague ratings, OGN/MBC Game ratings, etc. They are literally 1/3rd of what they were in 2007. It's freaking obvious why MBC Game got canned in the long run. They're a gaming channel and the only thing that generated halfway decent ratings was proleague and everything else people barely watched.
at the same time from what i can tell kespa is pretty convinced that most of the fans in esports are fans of the teams and the players and thus a good portion of these people will follow the players and the teams into sc2 if there was such a switch. considering bw is dying and it's getting harder and harder to get sponsors (don't take what they say in the press at face value, btw), it's logical that they are probably going to do sc2 soon.
why do you think PL has two "distinct" seasons with two distinct finals? this isn't a coincidence. its not something they would want to announce either since it'd take away from the current BW scene. do you think fomos picking up sc2 randomly again is a coincidence? or DES completely flipping their stance on BW? or all those teaser articles? korean bw/sc2 coverage is very very well controlled. realize that. they use it to gauge reactions. they "tease" about events that'll happen. notice that all of those are probably in there for a VERY good reason.
wake the hell up bw people. it's not "if", it's "when". It'll probably happen this year.
also to anyone who says "BW is on life support" -- esports as a whole is on life support. Why do you think blizzard dropped the stance on trying to extort money from the scene in korea? They finally discovered that no one in korean esports (except maybe OGN/MBC Game but that's arguable) makes any sort of money and that kespa literally lives off sponsors.
The entire scene has been a freaking fragile one since the entire IP rights debacle. If IP rights debacle never happened and blizzard fully supported KeSPA (then again, this may not have happened since people in KeSPA are kind of obtuse to a certain extent -_-) everyone would have swapped to SC2 and we'd be seeing a lot higher level play. imagine everyone is on MVP/MMA's level, and then there's like a few people who are one level on top of that. its kind of funny how bw people talk down players like mvp mma and say that they weren't good BW players -- MMA was only pro for a year and only retired due to personal reasons but he had a ton of potential and mvp would probably be a solid terran on the level of Bogus right now. Just imagine if everyone was as good as or at least as good as them with a few people a few notches higher and that's what you should be expecting once all of them fully transitioned.
that's my 2 cents. i highly recommend people to read korean news sources with a bit higher degree of scrutiny because again they're all very well controlled. No damnit. Don't go pulling this "Only Korean BW is E-Sports" shit again. E-Sports is fine, Korean BW is dying, there is a very distinct difference. KeSPA is not E-Sports. The millions and millions of dollars and millions of viewers for other games besides BW all over the world is light years ahead of a system where they control. learn to read. i have never, ever, said that by YOUR definition that was true. I said i didn't like that definitionI defined my own term/definition. Which you would have figured out if you and everyone learned how to fucking read instead of bandwagonning off some DJWheat post which was a rash emotional response and had nothing to do with what i was implying. So why dont you and the rest of the community stop putting words in my mouth? anyway i'm obviously referring to korean esports which is bw/sc2. korean esports is doomed unless LoL picks up to be the new hot thing which is strongly heading towards that direction. Uh what? Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 15:17 Milkis wrote:
also to anyone who says "BW is on life support" -- esports as a whole is on life support. You don't just get to redefine defined terms because you want to personally. E-Sports is many games, no matter how much it seems to bug you.
I'm not agreeing with Milkis at all here, but what other games could really be considered an e-sport other then Starcraft. Other games are surely more popular but when it comes to the skill and dediacation needed Starcraft is where it's at. Any other game doesn't come close.
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On January 09 2012 15:17 Milkis wrote:
i haven't paid enough attention to the scene for a while so I don't really know what FXOBoss is referring to completely. I don't even know if this upcoming event is even "big" as I'm going to make it seem. I'm pretty sure FXOBoss is referring to something else completely different.
Just note that what I'm about to just say something general about the Korean BW/SC2 scene, and how I see it going right now and the direction it'll take in the near future.
If you paid attention to what's been released, it's pretty damn obvious kespa has been trying to run sc2 for a long time now, despite what other people think. Fomos and DES published plenty of shit regarding industry insiders commenting on things like this, and just pay attention to the IP Rights debate, from the beginning to the conclusion. The fight was an implicit one over SC2 and in the end Kespa has said that they want to be able to help blizzard promote HotS.
if people haven't realized by now bw has been on a decline for a few years now. Proleague ratings, OGN/MBC Game ratings, etc. They are literally 1/3rd of what they were in 2007. It's freaking obvious why MBC Game got canned in the long run. They're a gaming channel and the only thing that generated halfway decent ratings was proleague and everything else people barely watched.
at the same time from what i can tell kespa is pretty convinced that most of the fans in esports are fans of the teams and the players and thus a good portion of these people will follow the players and the teams into sc2 if there was such a switch. considering bw is dying and it's getting harder and harder to get sponsors (don't take what they say in the press at face value, btw), it's logical that they are probably going to do sc2 soon.
why do you think PL has two "distinct" seasons with two distinct finals? this isn't a coincidence. its not something they would want to announce either since it'd take away from the current BW scene. do you think fomos picking up sc2 randomly again is a coincidence? or DES completely flipping their stance on BW? or all those teaser articles? korean bw/sc2 coverage is very very well controlled. realize that. they use it to gauge reactions. they "tease" about events that'll happen. notice that all of those are probably in there for a VERY good reason.
wake the hell up bw people. it's not "if", it's "when". It'll probably happen this year.
also to anyone who says "BW is on life support" -- esports as a whole is on life support. Why do you think blizzard dropped the stance on trying to extort money from the scene in korea? They finally discovered that no one in korean esports (except maybe OGN/MBC Game but that's arguable) makes any sort of money and that kespa literally lives off sponsors.
The entire scene has been a freaking fragile one since the entire IP rights debacle. If IP rights debacle never happened and blizzard fully supported KeSPA (then again, this may not have happened since people in KeSPA are kind of obtuse to a certain extent -_-) everyone would have swapped to SC2 and we'd be seeing a lot higher level play. imagine everyone is on MVP/MMA's level, and then there's like a few people who are one level on top of that. its kind of funny how bw people talk down players like mvp mma and say that they weren't good BW players -- MMA was only pro for a year and only retired due to personal reasons but he had a ton of potential and mvp would probably be a solid terran on the level of Bogus right now. Just imagine if everyone was as good as or at least as good as them with a few people a few notches higher and that's what you should be expecting once all of them fully transitioned.
that's my 2 cents. i highly recommend people to read korean news sources with a bit higher degree of scrutiny because again they're all very well controlled.
I think all of this makes sense, and most of it (not details like timing, etc.) has been pretty obvious for a while, even to me (and I don't follow BW at all). What I'm more curious about is how KeSPA fits into things in SC2. They're not going to have monopoly control like they did in BW, so what happens? (Or are they going to try to get monopoly control?) It's probably in the interest of the individual teams to basically dissolve KeSPA, since it can't do it's old thing when half the teams in the game aren't part of it. That or it needs to try to include the SC2 teams? Or have separate tournaments and exclude them, and hope its tournaments win? How do foreigners fit in? Clearly they must see the potential in the foreign market, but there's no way on earth the foreign scene accepts them as a governing body now. I could see the transition being very messy, and it seems like getting through that successfully is going to be one of the biggest hurdles for SC2 to grow.
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