TL Mafia XXXVII - Page 59

On February 28 2011 19:30 gryffindor wrote:
How can we know the mafia presence wasn't there?
We can't.

On February 28 2011 04:16 deconduo wrote:
Why does everyone ignore me...

On February 25 2011 01:06 Jackal58 wrote:
Decon- We'll simply have to agree to disagree on the posting of PM's. I think it's a bad idea. You don't. I'm over it. It's not an issue worth arguing.

I'd like to know why I am the only one concerned about gryffindor and his lie.

On February 28 2011 02:15 deconduo wrote:


Flawed/bad argument. You claimed host wouldn't pick Foolishness as mafia. He claimed there was an experienced player due to the play, and that you and Foolishness were the 2 most experienced. Theres a big difference.

On February 26 2011 00:06 deconduo wrote:
Ok, good lynch guys. I have no idea what sort of a dumb play he was making but we'll see soon enough. I wouldn't be surprised if he was bussing LSB or GMarshal or something, especially as GMarshal tried to save him in the last minute. One thing that puzzles me is that the people trying to 'save' annul all spread out their votes as opposed to focusing on trying to lynch one person.

I would scrutinise everyone voting for icemac. Reading through the thread it really does look like people tried to divert the wagon onto him.

My biggest FOS by far right now is gryffindor.

-Fucks around with fake claims
-Attempts to blackmail me
-Claims I edited the PMs I posted which is a barefaced lie
-Tells everyone that they have to vote for icemac or annul. If everyone who left the annul BW changed to icemac he wouldn't have been lynched at all. But gryff conveniently leaves his vote on annul so he can claim 'look I lynched the scum' if the play doesn't work. (which it didn't)
-Incident with the 'sarcasm' While he is probably telling the truth it doesn't mean we should ignore it completely.
-Long drawn out argument with GMarshal about the cell idea, yet suddenly agrees with him and votes annul instead. I honestly think that GMarshal + gryffindor staged that to some extent. There was something fishy there.

Would suggest him as a DT check target.


While DTs + cops are unreliable, we should at least use the threat of them to force mafia to waste KP covering/framing.


I'm going home for the weekend, and its a long, tiring trip. I probably won't be online again until tomorrow.

On February 28 2011 21:27 gryffindor wrote:
you cut off the part of the PM i was referring to
would you like me to get it?
it is trivial for me, as I find you to be town, but if you are really going to be pushing for lynches during the night, I might have to actually do that.

How about, since you are seemingly deadset on my lynch, you respond to my wall from a page ago, as opposed to bringing up things that occurred days ago?thanks

On February 28 2011 15:04 Ace wrote:
gryfinndor has good memory. judge day 1 med claim -_-

you can try, but i don't believe you'll have support, as a lot of good players view me as town
you are pushing me for very silly reasoning, and a personal feel
you played with me as a SK, and you pushed the cell idea in Orgah (supposedly, or so you said in PM, do you dispute that?) You also backed it up here. I killed you as scum, when you were the godfather, in orgah. Sure, you are playing differently here than there, but you had red text creating your play there. You could easily be lurking/tunneling/pushing me actively just to appear like you are scumhunting when you are, actually, in fact, not.

See above

Deconduo pushing me is because he has a pretty funny PM in my inbox, from my perspective. I don't believe he is scum, though, due to meta, or I would have been pushing him.

No, I'm pushing you because you lied, threatened and have been playing thoroughly untownlike. Your opinions on everything switch every 10 seconds. You've been antagonising me on purpose for whatever reason. Also, as I said before I've posted every PM I we've had. Pretty good reason for voting you no?

you appear to be actively lurking, and tunneling, from my perspective
of course it's easy for me to pick up on this, as it's me you're tunneling on.

As I said on friday I was going home for the weekend and would be on less. I'm back now. In addition, EU timezone makes it harder to be active as I'm asleep when most of the action is going on. Look at any other game I've played in. Also, I'm not tunnelling you. I have voiced FOSes on other people, even voted for LSB last lynch due to his hugely flawed defence against Barundar. You have just been the scummiest player from my point of view. (See above)

No, I really didn't.
Deconduo was talking about how he proposed the cell idea from Orgah, where he was scum, and he also supported said idea here, making it look like he was scum.

How is that lying?

You lied about me editing/cutting PMs.

On February 28 2011 20:13 deconduo wrote:
To explain why I'm getting pissed off at this game, and why I posted this:



First of all we have Jackal. He claimed posting PMs is scummy. When asked to explain the logic behind it he dodged the question twice then posted this gem:



Essentially he paints it as a difference in opinion instead of responding to any of my questions or hypothetical scenarios. I point it out and no one picks up on it.



LSB reponds to Barundar's analysis of him with a hugely hugely bad and flawed argument. I'm the only one that picks up on it, and I point it out. LSB and everyone else ignores it and just continues on as if nothing happened:





Finally, gryffindor lies, blackmails etc. I call him out on it. Not only does he not defend himself, everyone else just walks on by as if nothing happened:



Maybe bright red might help.

Gryffindor lied about me editing PMs and has not said anything more on the matter or defended himself on it.

Also cute, saying I'm from the UK. It won't make me mad, it will just make me try my damned best to get you lynched.

On February 28 2011 23:57 LSB wrote:

I feel ignored www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=191888&currentpage=50#991

On February 28 2011 04:25 LSB wrote:

There is a difference, and it's not what you say.
They arguments are similar as both of them
1) Make assumptions on RoL's picks
2) Assume that Foolishness is mafia

There is a few differences.
My support of foolishness is weak, I recongnize that the argument shouldn't go far
Barundar uses this assumption as central of FOS of me. His argument is that between LSB and Foolishness, foolishness is probably town so LSB must be mafia.


In addition another difference is that I'm not accusing Barundar of being scum because of this argument. The difference is I'm pointing out that Barundar made the exact same argument and it is hypocritical of him to try to accuse me of being scum for using my argument.

On February 27 2011 01:43 Barundar wrote:
Looking over the lynch again, we got off way too easy. Several people called annul out asking for better reasoning and posts, or at least some sort of defense. A good part of his votes was basicly people who didn’t know who else to put their vote on, finding his defense lacking or his posting obstructive. It was by no means a strong bandwagon, and I believe that if annul had really wanted he could have saved himself. Heck, if I had been on his team I would have pressured him to defend himself better as to not die to a weak lynch. No strong counter bandwagon appeared. His goodbye post was not concerned, and he even wished town good luck, wtf? When we got him in mafia xxxv he kicked up a fight and wrote a very emotional goodbye post.

At the same time it’s clear from the night hits that we have at least 1 experienced analysist on the scum team. The only really experienced players in the game are LSB and Foolishness.

LSB is the most suspicious of the 2. He wasn’t the first to get suspicious of annul, or to call him out on his bad play, but he tried to take full credit for the lynch, asking for medic protection instantly. This is exactly how a mafia who has just bussed his team mate will act.

LSB had a possible scumslip to boot:


Foolishness on the other hand voted annul to pressure him. He later changed his vote to pressure seraph, and left it there until the lynch. If I was mafia buddy with annul I would have left my vote on him to get town cred or to try and save him.

FoS LSB

Barundar uses this assumption as central of FOS of me. His argument is that between LSB and Foolishness, foolishness is probably town so LSB must be mafia.

In addition another difference is that I'm not accusing Barundar of being scum because of this argument. The difference is I'm pointing out that Barundar made the exact same argument and it is hypocritical of him to try to accuse me of being scum for using my argument.

On March 01 2011 00:13 LSB wrote:
That I responded to again... I don't want to dig it up.
Firstly, you didn't respond to any part of my post just threw up another post pretending it disproved it
Yes I did. I clarified there.
Secondly, to say that is the central analysis of the post is plain silly
Didn't say this
Thirdly, to say that not voting for annul = town is silly
I agree. But once again, taken out of context.

On March 01 2011 00:19 Jackal58 wrote:




I didn't dodge it. You just didn't like my answer. Ya the one you skipped.
And now you're in a pissing contest over the content of a posted PM.
Have fun.
We got scum here folks.

On February 25 2011 00:46 deconduo wrote:


I honestly 100% don't understand your logic. From what I can gather you are saying the following. In a lylo situation, 2 mafia 3 town say. Person A + B post PMs showing C is mafia. C denies it and says they are faked. Now according to you,

i)If no PMs were posted previously, people A+B would be lynched.
ii)If a couple of PMs had been posted previously, and people were 'comfy' with it, C would be lynched.

How you managed to get here I have no clue whatsoever. There must be some huge step in logic that I'm missing as to what universe you think this would happen in.