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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
February 28 2011 15:34 GMT
#1181
On March 01 2011 00:24 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2011 00:13 LSB wrote:
That I responded to again... I don't want to dig it up.
Firstly, you didn't respond to any part of my post just threw up another post pretending it disproved it
Yes I did. I clarified there.
Secondly, to say that is the central analysis of the post is plain silly
Didn't say this
Thirdly, to say that not voting for annul = town is silly
I agree. But once again, taken out of context.


This is my response to your bolding of the blue portion.
If I in anyway took something out of context or misrepresented your argument please explain what you were meaning when you bolded the blue portion
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
February 28 2011 15:34 GMT
#1182
Deconduo, I admit that you posted the majority of our PM conversations, but I recall feeling you left something out. Perhaps I was wrong, but it's way more of a big deal to you than me, apparently, since I'm so "scummy".

@Gmarshal, I like your defense of your view on Icemac

@Deconduo, in relation to the cell idea, I misunderstood it at first. I thought it was for selective claiming. After I realized it wasn't, I wanted to propose a counter-list, as I thought that it was likely GMarshal, you, and annul were scum at the time. Perhaps I'm getting one of you confused with Chaoser?

As it is, though, I am not as suspicious
i got blisters on me fingers
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
February 28 2011 15:37 GMT
#1183
On March 01 2011 00:33 LSB wrote:
Sorry, I gave barundar more credit for his argument than it was do

Umm... So more unsupport arguments? It doesn't take a genious to take a gun to Priority 2 players who probably weren't medic protected. Why do I have to be at the helm of any intresting play?

In addtion, that is one gigantic WIFORM
Lets assume that LSB is scum
That means foolishness is town
Which means LSB is scum.


My biggest problem with you wasn't Barun's analysis. It was the way you defended yourself from it with a completely bad argument. If his argument was so full of holes or so terrible, why attack that minor point with such flawed reasoning. Also that you ignored my post, but I was wrong about that sorry
gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
February 28 2011 15:38 GMT
#1184
Also, I knew the list I made was completely randomized, whereas GMarshal had admitted to tweaking his.

Is it sad that I am almost as afraid, if not moreso, of dying to a terrible vigilante shot?
@Vig, if you are going to hit me, claim in thread beforehand so you can be clear and lead a lynch tomorrow.
i got blisters on me fingers
gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
February 28 2011 15:40 GMT
#1185
@Deconduo, I really felt Barundar's argument towards LSB was ridiculous in that LSB had already made nearly the exact same argument towards him. I found both of them ludicrous, d2 bussing claims? I mean, sure, it's possible, but we should look at who was AGAINST the annul lynch... or who annul completely avoided talking to/voting/"analyzing" all together, don't you think?

I know Barundar disagrees with that, as he felt like the mafia gave Annul up too easily, which is why he is suspicious of LSB. I mean, if LSB is scum, bussing his teammates, why don't we just let him do it?
i got blisters on me fingers
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
February 28 2011 15:41 GMT
#1186
On March 01 2011 00:34 gryffindor wrote:
Deconduo, I admit that you posted the majority of our PM conversations, but I recall feeling you left something out. Perhaps I was wrong, but it's way more of a big deal to you than me, apparently, since I'm so "scummy".

Well of course it was a big deal to me. You claimed I edited/cut PMs when I did not and then IGNORED ME when I called you out on it.

@Gmarshal, I like your defense of your view on Icemac

@Deconduo, in relation to the cell idea, I misunderstood it at first. I thought it was for selective claiming. After I realized it wasn't, I wanted to propose a counter-list, as I thought that it was likely GMarshal, you, and annul were scum at the time. Perhaps I'm getting one of you confused with Chaoser?

Fair enough

As it is, though, I am not as suspicious


deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
February 28 2011 15:42 GMT
#1187
On March 01 2011 00:38 gryffindor wrote:
Also, I knew the list I made was completely randomized, whereas GMarshal had admitted to tweaking his.

Is it sad that I am almost as afraid, if not moreso, of dying to a terrible vigilante shot?
@Vig, if you are going to hit me, claim in thread beforehand so you can be clear and lead a lynch tomorrow.


Why not go with the 1-3, 4-6, 7-9 etc, which could not be set up by anyone?
gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
February 28 2011 15:46 GMT
#1188
that's actually a good idea, though I admittedly hadn't thought of that.
i got blisters on me fingers
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
February 28 2011 15:47 GMT
#1189
On March 01 2011 00:46 gryffindor wrote:
that's actually a good idea, though I admittedly hadn't thought of that.


It was posted quite a few times in response to GMarshal...
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
February 28 2011 16:01 GMT
#1190
On March 01 2011 00:37 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2011 00:33 LSB wrote:
Sorry, I gave barundar more credit for his argument than it was do

Umm... So more unsupport arguments? It doesn't take a genious to take a gun to Priority 2 players who probably weren't medic protected. Why do I have to be at the helm of any intresting play?

In addtion, that is one gigantic WIFORM
Lets assume that LSB is scum
That means foolishness is town
Which means LSB is scum.


My biggest problem with you wasn't Barun's analysis. It was the way you defended yourself from it with a completely bad argument. If his argument was so full of holes or so terrible, why attack that minor point with such flawed reasoning. Also that you ignored my post, but I was wrong about that sorry

Okay, so what major points have I ignored?
And why is paying attention to his arguments a bad thing?
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
February 28 2011 16:03 GMT
#1191
Deconduo. Do you have a scum read on me? Or do you just want to criqute my posting style?
And you still ignore my posts where I explain the reasoning is perfectly rational.
Your chasing a ghost that doesn't exist
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
February 28 2011 16:38 GMT
#1192
On March 01 2011 00:38 gryffindor wrote:
Also, I knew the list I made was completely randomized, whereas GMarshal had admitted to tweaking his.

Is it sad that I am almost as afraid, if not moreso, of dying to a terrible vigilante shot?
@Vig, if you are going to hit me, claim in thread beforehand so you can be clear and lead a lynch tomorrow.


Can I just say that that's a horrible scumslip? Really? telling a VIGI to claim in thread??? Role reversal will dick him over...blue fishing at its finest
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
February 28 2011 16:43 GMT
#1193
how is that a scumslip?
he will accrue medic protection, and if he claims it tomorrow it could be counterclaimed. You don't want a clear?
i got blisters on me fingers
gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
February 28 2011 16:43 GMT
#1194
ack, i forgot about that extra mechanic
claim in PM to me
i got blisters on me fingers
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
February 28 2011 16:44 GMT
#1195
Role reversal fucks him over. It's not about protection, he'll shoot himself. There is no clearing to be had, just a dead blue.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
February 28 2011 16:47 GMT
#1196
On March 01 2011 01:43 gryffindor wrote:
ack, i forgot about that extra mechanic
claim in PM to me


LOL so apparently you are the most trusted person for this plan to go forward with? Yeah ok.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
February 28 2011 17:00 GMT
#1197
On March 01 2011 01:43 gryffindor wrote:
ack, i forgot about that extra mechanic
claim in PM to me


...

On February 23 2011 12:46 gryffindor wrote:
I'm a veteran
claims to me


HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Gryff i am dissappoint
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
February 28 2011 17:28 GMT
#1198
On March 01 2011 01:43 gryffindor wrote:
ack, i forgot about that extra mechanic
claim in PM to me


Also, how does that make sense? Vigi claims to you in PM. Shoots you, you die, no one knows who vigi is cause you're dead. I call bullshit on this plan. FoS to the fucking highest.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
February 28 2011 19:17 GMT
#1199
Well of course any reasonable vigi would be shooting Seraph tonight.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
February 28 2011 19:42 GMT
#1200
On March 01 2011 00:31 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2011 00:19 Jackal58 wrote:
On February 28 2011 20:13 deconduo wrote:
First of all we have Jackal. He claimed posting PMs is scummy. When asked to explain the logic behind it he dodged the question twice then posted this gem:

On February 25 2011 01:06 Jackal58 wrote:
Decon- We'll simply have to agree to disagree on the posting of PM's. I think it's a bad idea. You don't. I'm over it. It's not an issue worth arguing.




I didn't dodge it. You just didn't like my answer. Ya the one you skipped.
And now you're in a pissing contest over the content of a posted PM.
Have fun.
We got scum here folks.


Here was the post in question:

Show nested quote +
On February 25 2011 00:46 deconduo wrote:
On February 24 2011 22:41 Jackal58 wrote:
On February 24 2011 22:35 deconduo wrote:
Jackal, you haven't clarified this:

+ Show Spoiler +
On February 24 2011 05:31 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2011 02:18 Jackal58 wrote:
On February 24 2011 02:13 GMarshal wrote:
On February 24 2011 02:11 Jackal58 wrote:
On February 24 2011 02:00 deconduo wrote:
On February 24 2011 01:56 Jackal58 wrote:
I have received a PM from GMarshall as well. Whoopee. I will probably even answer him.
But posting quotes and copies of PMs is a very scummy thing to do. You can make them say anything. Please stop.


What?

If someone manipulates or changes PMs to say what they want that's a scum caught straight away.

Also as easy for 2 scum or more to edit and post PMs to kill town


While I appreciate the sentiment, I don't think that's an issue right now, even if that did happen, when the townie flipped green we would immediately go after the people who posted the PM

I understand that. But if we get in that habit scum will use it to kill us at endgame. Better not doing it at all.


So your reasoning is:

Two mafia might edit a PM and post it to gang up on a townie to get them lynched in a lylo situation so therefore don't do it at all ever. Anyone who does post a PM is scummy.


This is so flawed I don't even know where to begin....



What is your logic behind telling people not to quote or post PMs? It honestly does not make any sense to me. It feels an irrational conclusion to jump to.

I did explain it. Go ahead and post PM content. Go ahead and get comfy with it. Go ahead and watch scum use that to destroy town at end game.
I think it's a horrid idea.


I honestly 100% don't understand your logic. From what I can gather you are saying the following. In a lylo situation, 2 mafia 3 town say. Person A + B post PMs showing C is mafia. C denies it and says they are faked. Now according to you,

i)If no PMs were posted previously, people A+B would be lynched.
ii)If a couple of PMs had been posted previously, and people were 'comfy' with it, C would be lynched.

How you managed to get here I have no clue whatsoever. There must be some huge step in logic that I'm missing as to what universe you think this would happen in.


-Your 'explanation' was mafia would use it to destroy town at end game. I gave you an example of your supposed endgame situation. You completely ignored it and simple put it down to opinion.

I'll give my take on this...

Posting pm for no reason is a bad thing because it will reveal information to mafia.
However, there are many circumstances where posting pm is good.

For example, look how Foolishness post his pm with me and find that I didn't do what exactly I promised. That generated one point saying why i am mafia.

If he is mafia and I town, and edited the pm, I can denied it and there goes 1 mafia of the two.
If I am mafia and he town. If I denied the pm and same 1 mafia out of the two.
If both are town, I shouldn't lie.
If both are mafia, mafia is stupid.

Icemac also gave out all pm before he died. It give additional information for town to work with and town can use those to accuse or defend people. Taking those pms into the grave is not as useful.


Your case describes that mafia edit the pm and use them for the late game. This situation only works if the other person mafia is editing the pm from is afk and don't claim the pm is edited. This is huge risk from mafia and certainly mafia would take unless they are desperate.

Your other case say that 2 or more mafia talk in circles and post pm to make themselves look good. This case stands because it would be hard to prove these pms wrong. Also even revealing one of them mafia doesn't prove that the other is mafia believe it could very well be legit pm between mafia and town.

But if we just compare the pro and con of post pm. i find it is beneficial for them to be posted given there is a reason.

So I have to agree with deucenuo on this subject and asking you to describe why it is bad to post pm. Also give your reasons why posting pm is bad. (Does the con outweigh the pro?)
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