This is my response to your bolding of the blue portion.
If I in anyway took something out of context or misrepresented your argument please explain what you were meaning when you bolded the blue portion
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On March 01 2011 00:24 deconduo wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2011 00:13 LSB wrote: That I responded to again... I don't want to dig it up. Firstly, you didn't respond to any part of my post just threw up another post pretending it disproved it Yes I did. I clarified there. Secondly, to say that is the central analysis of the post is plain silly Didn't say this Thirdly, to say that not voting for annul = town is silly I agree. But once again, taken out of context. This is my response to your bolding of the blue portion. If I in anyway took something out of context or misrepresented your argument please explain what you were meaning when you bolded the blue portion | ||
gryffindor
United States524 Posts
@Gmarshal, I like your defense of your view on Icemac @Deconduo, in relation to the cell idea, I misunderstood it at first. I thought it was for selective claiming. After I realized it wasn't, I wanted to propose a counter-list, as I thought that it was likely GMarshal, you, and annul were scum at the time. Perhaps I'm getting one of you confused with Chaoser? As it is, though, I am not as suspicious | ||
deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On March 01 2011 00:33 LSB wrote: Sorry, I gave barundar more credit for his argument than it was do Umm... So more unsupport arguments? It doesn't take a genious to take a gun to Priority 2 players who probably weren't medic protected. Why do I have to be at the helm of any intresting play? In addtion, that is one gigantic WIFORM Lets assume that LSB is scum That means foolishness is town Which means LSB is scum. My biggest problem with you wasn't Barun's analysis. It was the way you defended yourself from it with a completely bad argument. If his argument was so full of holes or so terrible, why attack that minor point with such flawed reasoning. Also that you ignored my post, but I was wrong about that sorry ![]() | ||
gryffindor
United States524 Posts
Is it sad that I am almost as afraid, if not moreso, of dying to a terrible vigilante shot? @Vig, if you are going to hit me, claim in thread beforehand so you can be clear and lead a lynch tomorrow. | ||
gryffindor
United States524 Posts
I know Barundar disagrees with that, as he felt like the mafia gave Annul up too easily, which is why he is suspicious of LSB. I mean, if LSB is scum, bussing his teammates, why don't we just let him do it? ![]() | ||
deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On March 01 2011 00:34 gryffindor wrote: Deconduo, I admit that you posted the majority of our PM conversations, but I recall feeling you left something out. Perhaps I was wrong, but it's way more of a big deal to you than me, apparently, since I'm so "scummy". Well of course it was a big deal to me. You claimed I edited/cut PMs when I did not and then IGNORED ME when I called you out on it. @Gmarshal, I like your defense of your view on Icemac @Deconduo, in relation to the cell idea, I misunderstood it at first. I thought it was for selective claiming. After I realized it wasn't, I wanted to propose a counter-list, as I thought that it was likely GMarshal, you, and annul were scum at the time. Perhaps I'm getting one of you confused with Chaoser? Fair enough As it is, though, I am not as suspicious | ||
deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On March 01 2011 00:38 gryffindor wrote: Also, I knew the list I made was completely randomized, whereas GMarshal had admitted to tweaking his. Is it sad that I am almost as afraid, if not moreso, of dying to a terrible vigilante shot? @Vig, if you are going to hit me, claim in thread beforehand so you can be clear and lead a lynch tomorrow. Why not go with the 1-3, 4-6, 7-9 etc, which could not be set up by anyone? | ||
gryffindor
United States524 Posts
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On March 01 2011 00:46 gryffindor wrote: that's actually a good idea, though I admittedly hadn't thought of that. It was posted quite a few times in response to GMarshal... | ||
LSB
United States5171 Posts
On March 01 2011 00:37 deconduo wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2011 00:33 LSB wrote: Sorry, I gave barundar more credit for his argument than it was do Umm... So more unsupport arguments? It doesn't take a genious to take a gun to Priority 2 players who probably weren't medic protected. Why do I have to be at the helm of any intresting play? In addtion, that is one gigantic WIFORM Lets assume that LSB is scum That means foolishness is town Which means LSB is scum. My biggest problem with you wasn't Barun's analysis. It was the way you defended yourself from it with a completely bad argument. If his argument was so full of holes or so terrible, why attack that minor point with such flawed reasoning. Also that you ignored my post, but I was wrong about that sorry ![]() Okay, so what major points have I ignored? And why is paying attention to his arguments a bad thing? | ||
LSB
United States5171 Posts
And you still ignore my posts where I explain the reasoning is perfectly rational. Your chasing a ghost that doesn't exist | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On March 01 2011 00:38 gryffindor wrote: Also, I knew the list I made was completely randomized, whereas GMarshal had admitted to tweaking his. Is it sad that I am almost as afraid, if not moreso, of dying to a terrible vigilante shot? @Vig, if you are going to hit me, claim in thread beforehand so you can be clear and lead a lynch tomorrow. Can I just say that that's a horrible scumslip? Really? telling a VIGI to claim in thread??? Role reversal will dick him over...blue fishing at its finest | ||
gryffindor
United States524 Posts
he will accrue medic protection, and if he claims it tomorrow it could be counterclaimed. You don't want a clear? | ||
gryffindor
United States524 Posts
claim in PM to me ![]() | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On March 01 2011 01:43 gryffindor wrote: ack, i forgot about that extra mechanic claim in PM to me ![]() LOL so apparently you are the most trusted person for this plan to go forward with? Yeah ok. | ||
OriginalName
Canada1140 Posts
On March 01 2011 01:43 gryffindor wrote: ack, i forgot about that extra mechanic claim in PM to me ![]() ... ![]() On February 23 2011 12:46 gryffindor wrote: I'm a veteran claims to me HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Gryff i am dissappoint | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On March 01 2011 01:43 gryffindor wrote: ack, i forgot about that extra mechanic claim in PM to me ![]() Also, how does that make sense? Vigi claims to you in PM. Shoots you, you die, no one knows who vigi is cause you're dead. I call bullshit on this plan. FoS to the fucking highest. | ||
Foolishness
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United States3044 Posts
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
On March 01 2011 00:31 deconduo wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2011 00:19 Jackal58 wrote: On February 28 2011 20:13 deconduo wrote: First of all we have Jackal. He claimed posting PMs is scummy. When asked to explain the logic behind it he dodged the question twice then posted this gem: On February 25 2011 01:06 Jackal58 wrote: Decon- We'll simply have to agree to disagree on the posting of PM's. I think it's a bad idea. You don't. I'm over it. It's not an issue worth arguing. I didn't dodge it. You just didn't like my answer. Ya the one you skipped. And now you're in a pissing contest over the content of a posted PM. Have fun. We got scum here folks. Here was the post in question: Show nested quote + On February 25 2011 00:46 deconduo wrote: On February 24 2011 22:41 Jackal58 wrote: On February 24 2011 22:35 deconduo wrote: Jackal, you haven't clarified this: + Show Spoiler + On February 24 2011 05:31 deconduo wrote: Show nested quote + On February 24 2011 02:18 Jackal58 wrote: On February 24 2011 02:13 GMarshal wrote: On February 24 2011 02:11 Jackal58 wrote: On February 24 2011 02:00 deconduo wrote: On February 24 2011 01:56 Jackal58 wrote: I have received a PM from GMarshall as well. Whoopee. I will probably even answer him. But posting quotes and copies of PMs is a very scummy thing to do. You can make them say anything. Please stop. What? If someone manipulates or changes PMs to say what they want that's a scum caught straight away. Also as easy for 2 scum or more to edit and post PMs to kill town While I appreciate the sentiment, I don't think that's an issue right now, even if that did happen, when the townie flipped green we would immediately go after the people who posted the PM I understand that. But if we get in that habit scum will use it to kill us at endgame. Better not doing it at all. So your reasoning is: Two mafia might edit a PM and post it to gang up on a townie to get them lynched in a lylo situation so therefore don't do it at all ever. Anyone who does post a PM is scummy. This is so flawed I don't even know where to begin.... What is your logic behind telling people not to quote or post PMs? It honestly does not make any sense to me. It feels an irrational conclusion to jump to. I did explain it. Go ahead and post PM content. Go ahead and get comfy with it. Go ahead and watch scum use that to destroy town at end game. I think it's a horrid idea. I honestly 100% don't understand your logic. From what I can gather you are saying the following. In a lylo situation, 2 mafia 3 town say. Person A + B post PMs showing C is mafia. C denies it and says they are faked. Now according to you, i)If no PMs were posted previously, people A+B would be lynched. ii)If a couple of PMs had been posted previously, and people were 'comfy' with it, C would be lynched. How you managed to get here I have no clue whatsoever. There must be some huge step in logic that I'm missing as to what universe you think this would happen in. -Your 'explanation' was mafia would use it to destroy town at end game. I gave you an example of your supposed endgame situation. You completely ignored it and simple put it down to opinion. I'll give my take on this... Posting pm for no reason is a bad thing because it will reveal information to mafia. However, there are many circumstances where posting pm is good. For example, look how Foolishness post his pm with me and find that I didn't do what exactly I promised. That generated one point saying why i am mafia. If he is mafia and I town, and edited the pm, I can denied it and there goes 1 mafia of the two. If I am mafia and he town. If I denied the pm and same 1 mafia out of the two. If both are town, I shouldn't lie. If both are mafia, mafia is stupid. Icemac also gave out all pm before he died. It give additional information for town to work with and town can use those to accuse or defend people. Taking those pms into the grave is not as useful. Your case describes that mafia edit the pm and use them for the late game. This situation only works if the other person mafia is editing the pm from is afk and don't claim the pm is edited. This is huge risk from mafia and certainly mafia would take unless they are desperate. Your other case say that 2 or more mafia talk in circles and post pm to make themselves look good. This case stands because it would be hard to prove these pms wrong. Also even revealing one of them mafia doesn't prove that the other is mafia believe it could very well be legit pm between mafia and town. But if we just compare the pro and con of post pm. i find it is beneficial for them to be posted given there is a reason. So I have to agree with deucenuo on this subject and asking you to describe why it is bad to post pm. Also give your reasons why posting pm is bad. (Does the con outweigh the pro?) | ||
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